Talk:Ganges

Undiscussed change from Ganges to Ganga

Someone has recently changed the article to use Ganga as the main name. I could not simply revert due to many intervening edits. I have made a start at fixing this, but do not have enough time to finish it right now. I am asking for other editors to continue the corrections, starting with the History section. --Khajidha (talk) 16:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I think I have gotten this taken care of now. I left direct references to the goddess, uses of "ganga" as a component of larger names, and direct quotations and such alone. --Khajidha (talk) 14:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I have started updating the name to “Ganga” , irrespective whether references to any historic article or publishing “Ganges” is not the correct name of the river. Someone in past stating an incorrect name/pronunciation doesn’t mean we have to stick with it. KShukal (talk) 13:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Same applies to “Shiv” (not “Shiva”), “Pandav” (not “Pandava”), “Dharm” (not “Dharma”), “Karm” (not “Karma”) and many more such misspelled Sanskrit words. Appreciate if any user or Wikipedia provide assistance in cleaning these rather long standing misspelling which will eventually correct the mispronunciations. KShukal (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Renaming of the page to "Ganga" with "Ganges" redirecting to it

The name "Ganges" is the Hellenic (Ancient Greek) version of the word Ganga

It is a corruption of the actual name of the river which is "Ganga".

Hence I propose that this Wiki article should be named "Ganga" and "Ganges" should redirect to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pskale (talk • contribs) 15:23, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

The process for this is at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move. Please bear in mind the issue of WP:CommonName. Toddy1 (talk) 15:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree and support thIs request. KShukal (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC) Ganges is very rarely used by anyone in India including English media. It is mostly used by the western news outlets. Almost entire country calls the river Ganga. Why does Wikipedia use "Ganges"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghu487 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 12 March 2021 (UTC) This article once again proves inconsistent rules enforced on Wikipedia. Even the weird logic of "Google hits" used in case of Prayagraj proves that Ganga is most commonly used compared to Ganges. Even if the west continues to use Ganges, it isn't applicable to the people who live in the country the river is relevant to. The name isn't even political like in the case of other changes. Everyone in India calls it Ganga irrespective of religion, political affiliation or the language. User:Rreagan007 mentioned the name can not be changed until most reliable English sources switched their usage. "Most reliable English sources" doesn't have to be western. NDTV, Times of India, CNA, The new Indian Express, Hindustan Times, The Weather Channel etc., almost every Indian English media uses Ganga over Ganges. Ganges is no longer relevant for the majority of the English speakers the river matters the most to. The name has to be updated accordingly.

The Ganges is a trans-boundary river, not India's alone. It is internationally known. In the scholarly sources, especially the best-known ones published by academic publishers, it is called Ganges, not Ganga. Please read the archives of this page; this topic has appeared dozens of times. Please read the last but one template above (beginning, " This page has previously been nominated to be moved. Before re-nominating, review the move requests listed below. Repeated requests to move to Ganga have been rejected. Please read the following before making another.") Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Ganga is a trans boundary river that travels through just India and Bangladesh. Ganges isn't a exonym, its a corrupt version Ganga used by the Europeans. It is known as Padma in Bangladesh. It is irrelevant what English name is being used by handful of sources outside these countries. Ganga is the most common English name of the two or in any language. Even some international publishers refer to it as Ganga. Use of Ganges over Ganga is forcing the name that is neither popular nor accurate. And frankly Wikipedia's rules for names are wildly inconsistent. If a handful of news papers that rarely use this river in their vocabulary continuous to use "Ganges" then people in Indian subcontinent where the entire river flows have to accept it? All the sources I have cited earlier are reputed English news outlets, not from local language. Western/ international media alone can not be dictating the names in countries they have nothing to do with. English is an official language in India. Significant number of people use English to communicate daily. so the English name that's been used in India should be considered. This is absurd to just consider international sources and completely ignore Indian sources. Even the official govt sources in India call it Ganga. This is an extract from PBS "The Ganga River, known as the Ganges under British rule, is one of the most revered waterways in the world" So, its clear some sources in the west too use "Ganga" over "Ganges". Few more references from international journals and other sources (Raghu487 (talk) 16:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC))

Name of the article

Can anyone tell me why "Ganga" is being called "Gan jeez" here? Why is actual name being distorted? LearnIndology (talk) 19:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

see above: "A river by any other name: Ganga/Ganges and the postcolonial politics of knowledge on Wikipedia" https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2017.1293709 AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 20 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Closed, filed by blocked user. If there's a desire to re-propose this move, it should come from a user in good standing. SnowFire (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Ganges → Ganga – - The term "Ganges" is an outdated and antiquated term invented by foreign British invaders to diminish Indian Culture with their own English.

- The name "Ganga" dates back thousands and thousands of years to ancient Vedic times, and is the historical name of the river - The name Ganga also holds religious sentiment to Hindus, and the incorrect name "Ganges" insults that faith - As society continues to develop, more people are shunning colonial names in favor of more traditional names emphasizing their, and not their oppressors culture; ie. Rhodesia --> Zimbabwe, Burma --> Myanmar, and India's own Bombay --> Mumbai - Ganga is the official name for the river in India, as referenced by India's National Government - Indians already is, and the rest of the world is coming around to knowing the sacred river by its original name SaffronArrow5 (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC) - Yes, some newspapers and old sources in India still call the Ganga "Ganges" but there are always people who are wrong in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaffronArrow5 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• SaffronArrow5 is an indefinitely blocked sockmaster. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

I second this [10/19/20] StevenStallion78694

• StevenStallion78694 is an indefinitely blocked sockpuppet. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

I agree and support this proposition as well {10.20.2020} Billy-the-Whale-18 —Preceding undated comment added 23:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Billy-the-Whale-18 is an indefinitely blocked sockpuppet. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

Sources from outside India? This situation is indeed analogous to Bombay/Mumbai... but also to Bangalore/Bengaluru, which had its own recent RM end in no consensus. I can't support this move without seeing the sources. O.N.R. ^(talk) 02:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The other articles mentioned were not moved until most reliable English sources had shifted their usage. Until it's demonstrated that reliable English sources have shifted their usage on this, the article should remain where it is. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on the basis that the RM was raised by a blocked user, and is deliberately disruptive. Jokulhlaup (talk) 15:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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