Talk:Pyrenean Mountain Dog

History

I will have to research this, but I am moderately confident that the History section is mistaken on at least two points. And, misleading or romanticized in general. In other words, it is more like a "fan" article than a rational statement of verified fact. In particular, the reference to GP being introduced to Australia at a farm in Hamilton is, I believe, entirely mistaken. I think someone confused two breeds of dogs when writing this. Regardless, both that assertion - and the assertion that Lafayette brought an example of the dogs to the US in the 1800's - are undocumented.

Additionally, I believe the whole history section to be highly romanticized. Although I do have to say this is very typical of "breed histories" you can find today, online, at least. I would edit, but at this point in time, I lack sufficient knowledge to do so. That may change. As I am hoping for some discussion from other editors of this or other dog sections, I will explain myself further.

Start at the beginning of the History section. Quote: The Great Pyrenees is a very old breed that has been used for hundreds of years by shepherds. End quote. I find this assertion essentially inaccurate, as "breeds" of dogs were unknown before the 1800's. Dogs were varieties of types, kept for function, not appearance. I believe my point is validated in the 6th paragraph. Quote: "In the mid-19th century, the breed was not homogenized. . ."

At least one of the references used (#12) is to another website (greatpyrenees.com), which website then uses primary references to establish it's claims. The references should be primary in this case. Much of the history here appears to be, lifted from that website. On the other hand, that other website, uses another primary reference from the early 1800's, that more clearly establishes a Pyrenean type of shepherd's dog that very much describes a dog similar to the GP we know today (from the "This and That" page on that site).

Worth noting is that the provenance of the anecdote referring to the 1675 adoption of a GP by the Dauphin is not clear. Where did this story come from? Was it the 18th century writings of M. Byasson, or was it from somewhere else?

Regardless, what we know is that the Great Pyrenees breed of dogs is descended from the shepherd's dogs that were used in the Pyrenean mountains. These types of dogs were selected and known for their livestock guardian abilities.

As things stand, I find the history section for the Great Pyrenees at dogtime.com to be more rational, and more "encyclopedia-like". Mbuell72 (talk) 21:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea where most of it came from, but the thing about Lafayette is in my copy of the AKC Dog Book. Mine is older, so I don't know if it's in the newer editions, but I could cite the Pyrenees chapter in the book if needed. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:46, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Name change

Who unilaterally changed the name of this page and deleted all the prior talk discussions on the subject? By who's authority was this change made? While the name Great Pyrenees is "Western Centric", by far (as in many, many times the number) the majority of the Great Pyrenees on the entire world live in the US and Canada. BigWhiteFireDog (talk) 16:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello BigWhiteFireDog, you can look at the page’s history to determine who moved the page and why, their authority to do so is in policy, this was noticed by WP:WikiProject Dogs and discussed here. I must say I support the move, it appears the term Great Pyrenees is restricted to the US & Canada whilst the rest of the English speaking world use the name Pyrenean Mountain Dog, but I am happy to listen evidence to the contrary. Also, no one has deleted anything from this talk page, it has been archived. Cavalryman (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC).

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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Pyrenean Mountain Dog guarding sheep

• ... that in the 1990s Pyrenean Mountain Dogs were urgently introduced onto French farms to protect flocks from wolves that had arrived from Italy? Bobbé, Sophie (2000). "Un mode de garde écologiquement correct: le chien de protection" (PDF). Ethnologie française (in French). 30 (3): 459–472. Retrieved 18 June 2021.
  • ALT1:... that historically Pyrenean Mountain Dogs were used to smuggle contraband between France and Spain across the Pyrenees? Wilcox, Bonnie; Walkowicz, Chris (1995). Atlas of dog breeds of the world. Neptune City, N.J.: TFH Publications. pp. 8 & 465–467.
  • ALT2:... that in the 17th century King Louis XIV named the Pyrenean Mountain Dog the Royal Dog of France? Morris, Desmond (2001). Dogs: the ultimate dictionary of over 1,000 dog breeds. North Pomfret, VT: Trafalgar Square Publishing. pp. 374, 423 & 616. ISBN 978-1-57076-219-2.

• Comment: Forth ever DYK nomination, still too green for a QPQ.

Improved to Good Article status by Cavalryman (talk). Self-nominated at 06:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC).

• Reviewing, will return soon with a full review. Yakikaki (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

• Promoted to GA on 22 June, so new enough in that sense. Long enough, and within policy. All hooks are good IMO and all are supported by inline citations, some referring to offline works AGF. QPQ not needed. Image properly licensed. This should be good to go. Well-written and interesting piece! Yakikaki (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Infobox photo

The infobox photo should try to show as many characteristics of the breed as possible. The one I propose has been there for nine years now and is used on more than a dozen wikis (the lower quality .jpg is -- I have uploaded today a higher quality .png file). It is also under eval for POTD. So it should show the hind legs double dew claws, the hind legs "pantaloon" appearance, an example of badgering, and at least HAVE a tail if not show the "shepherd's crook" of the GP tail. The photo should also be well composed from a photographic standpoint (good composition, foreground/background/ bokeh, etc). Having the owner standing there holding the dog on a lease detracts from looking at the features of the breed. Everyone wants to have their precious dog be shown, but we should evaluate the photo on its merits and not our emotions. HeartSpoon (talk)