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Small correction

The text currently reads: thus making the whole country (rather than only eastern part of it)

The article THE is missing: rather than only THE eastern part of it.

It is in the second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.41.129.20 (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

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Change Rasetrelli to Rastrelli, the name of this architect is Rastrelli and it is misspelled in at least one occurrence on this page. Tmargaria (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done I changed the one typo I found. If there are others, please point them out. RudolfRed (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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1922 treaty to create USSR is not mentioned This is a key part of Ukraine history missing 1922-1991

It should be included in two places In the timeline list titled formation 1917 1922 dissolve independence with treaty to create USSR 1991

ALSO in the intro paragraph (after the pre-amble section) The run on sentence

In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement for self-determination emerged, and the internationally recognized Ukrainian People's Republic was declared on 23 June 1917.  Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Should have “In 1922 Ukraine dissolved by Treaty into creating the USSR.

This is then followed by: Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 2605:8D80:32C:9A15:2D4B:9E6D:4631:C103 (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement for self-determination emerged, and the internationally recognized Ukrainian People's Republic was declared on 23 June 1917.

In 1922, Ukraine dissolved by Treaty into creating the USSR. Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. RoseEatsRice (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Who disputes Donbas region is part of Ukraine?

No government disputes that this region is part of Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/20/ukraine-crisis-russia-plans-biggest-war-since-1945-says-johnson-zelenskiy-calls-for-sanctions-now-live

Antonov (Russian ambassador) also stated that Moscow considered the Donbas region “as part of Ukraine.” 2A04:4A43:4DAF:D0CB:88E5:F359:4810:88CD (talk) 17:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

History

The history section (specifically the Russian intervention part) suffers from recentism and needs to be shortened. Only major events should be kept, not news about gas deals, etc. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:A9EB:9746:BFAE:7A5C (talk) 05:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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The article states Ukraine is the third largest military in Europe, After verifying through multiple sources i found this to be incorrect for they have placed 9th in largest military in Europe. 184.89.41.130 (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The sentence claiming Ukraine had the third largest military in Europe was sourced to globalfirepower.com, which doesn't look like a reliable source to me. I've gone ahead and removed it. --RaiderAspect (talk) 05:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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Also Russian language is used by 75% of population. 2600:1010:B1D1:361F:506C:576:46B9:19E (talk) 07:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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There should be some reference of Oleksandr Usyk considering he is currently the foremost Ukrainian boxer in the world. The paragraph should also end with a period instead of a comma. I'm suggesting the following addition/edit:

Ukrainian boxers are amongst the best in the world.[413] Since becoming the undisputed cruiserweight champion in 2018, Oleksandr Usyk has also gone on to win the unified WBA (Super), IBF, WBO and IBO heavyweight titles. This feat made him one of only three boxers to have unified the cruiserweight world titles and become a world heavyweight champion. The brothers Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko are former heavyweight world champions who held multiple world titles throughout their careers. Also hailing from Ukraine, Vasyl Lomachenko, a 2008 and 2012 Olympic gold medalist. He is the unified lightweight world champion who ties the record for winning a world title in the fewest professional fights; three. As of September 2018, he is ranked as the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by ESPN.[414] 66.27.116.106 (talk) 08:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Everything checks out here, I've gone ahead and made the change. Thank you. TimSmit (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Addition of tag

This would be due to escalating tensions and Ukraine could change any day now, by invasion, political crisis, etc. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:23, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Going to post it. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 17:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

"heavy Communist and Socialist influence" over the Ukrainian national movement for self-determination, which allegedly arose first after October 1917?

This sounds suspiciously close to the red-baiting distortions in Putin's speech yesterday. The article itself lists the Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hetmanate, the Directorate and the Bolshevik Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the West Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hutsul Republic and, farther below, Makhno's Free Territory. Of these, only the Bolshevik entity was 'Communist', and the Hetmanate wasn't socialist at all. The Directorate was majority-liberal under Ostapenko when it was hoping to get support from the Entente. Yes, the other regimes mentioned were officially more or less socialist-leaning, as was typical of most radicals and revolutionaries at the time, and that is well worth mentioning, but placing 'communist' first makes no sense. Describing the socialist aspect as 'heavy' sounds negative as well as subjective and dubious; apart from Makhno, the others were relatively moderate - radical socialism certainly isn't what Petlyura was primarily known for. Furthermore, the article itself makes it clear that the Ukrainian nationalist movement started at least as early as the 1840s with Shevchenko, not after the 1917 revolution as suggested later; the demand or autonomy after the February revolution may well be regarded as part of the movement for self-determination, and the formal bid for independence was launched in opposition to the October revolution, not as an expression of its 'Communist influence' as the wording implies.--178.249.169.67 (talk) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Consistency in the lede - "It spans an area of 603628km (Including the disputed territory of Crimea) with a population of 41.2 million,(Excluding the disputed territory of Crimea)"

The first paragraph of the lede now says, with the brackets representing foot notes, "It spans an area of 603,628 km² (233,062 sq mi),(including the disputed territory of Crimea.) with a population of 41.2 million,(Excluding the disputed territory of Crimea)" surely both figures should refer to the same territory?♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 20:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Pending discussion I have added the area and population of Crimea to the footnotes for clarity.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 20:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Should the area/population of Donetsk and Luhansk be excluded/included/mentioned in the figures in the lede?

I could find no explanation in the archives for the strange treatment of Crimea described above. If there is a logic to including/excluding territory/population not under Ukrainian government control, perhaps it should also apply to these area.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 21:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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Putin's statement as to the purpose of the invasion was not simple demilitarization as is currently said, but to de-nazify and demilitarize the country. I believe this is an important distinction 135.23.157.227 (talk) 08:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Renat 09:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

User:RenatUK https://www.firstpost.com/world/demilitarise-and-denazify-how-vladimir-putin-justifies-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-10405181.html ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk ♥} 16:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, previously increasing tensions in Europe, immediately 40 people were confirmed dead as of the war. Many countries, including Germany had announced they'd send support to Ukraine. 2A02:C7E:562C:2F00:B542:6BD5:54CC:6FEB (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done That information is already present in the infobox of the relevant article, which is 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. LongLivePortugal (talk) 10:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Detail of Russian Invasion 2022

Suggestion for a swift upadate of Ukrainian president Zelenski declaring martial law, Delcaration of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), military actions of Belarus in the Pripyat river, land & sea landing invasions in Crimea, Odessa and Dnipro, bombing of Kyiv etc. 118.43.235.137 (talk) 11:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a page dedicated to the invasion found here - 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine Asr1014 (talk) 11:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

very small correction

in the timing of 2014 the crimea invasion seems to happen after old president decadence and even the new elections. it can be simply corrected by moving three lines upper the already existing short statement "The ousting[190] of Yanukovych prompted Vladimir Putin to begin preparations to annex Crimea on 23 February 2014.[191][192]" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto90967 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done LongLivePortugal (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Spelling: Constitution of Ukraine

Last sentence in the section of Ukraine#Constitution of Ukraine has a spelling mistake in the link to the prime minister of Ukraine. Sda030 (talk) 15:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Done, thank you! ASUKITE 15:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2022 (3)

can you add the fact that Ukraine declared martial law on the 24th February 2022? the president declared it shortly after 7am local time, and it's important to the country's future and past. thank you. Akirajazmin (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Article on it here: Martial law in Ukraine.-- • Apollo468•  22:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Update as of 02-24-2022 Repubic of Ukraine .....this article states Ukrain is a member of Nato, United Nations. Ukraine IS NOT a member of the United Nations at this time. 24.112.109.127 (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Note: The article does not state that Ukraine is a member of NATO -- TNT (talk • she/her) 19:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Clarifying the description of Ukraine's poverty, GDP, and corruption ranks

See introduction, paragraph 4, sentence 2: "It is the poorest country in Europe, suffering from a very high poverty rate as well as severe corruption." Part of this is not true. I recommend that that should be replaced with the following text and references:

"While it is the second poorest country in Europe, it has a low poverty rate." Reference 1: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.UMIC?locations=UA

"It is ranked as the 58th (out of 180) in perceptions of corruption." Reference 1: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 Aanders08 (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Hyperlink under "the poorest" should be changed from "List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (nominal) per capita" into "List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita" and we can add a statement "the poorest acc. to GDP (PPP) per capita" or something similar. NeonFor (talk) 03:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Size of the country

The article states that Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia, but France is larger than Ukraine. 173.175.23.195 (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 France is transcontinental, and as seen by List of European countries by area, they only count land in Europe. France is 551,695 kilometeres squared according to this study, "We studied the metropolitan area of France (excluding Corsica island), which represents about 551,695 km2. Ukraine's is 603,628 kilometeres squared according to this, "Area of Ukraine is 603628 square kilometers.."-- • Apollo468•  01:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

This is already discussed on this page, here/ Mathglot (talk) 01:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Beside the point, but,

• 551,695 kilometers (or kilometres, but NOT kilometeres) squared comes to 304,367,373,025 kilometers.
• 603,628 kilometers squared comes to 364,366,762,384 kilometers.

The first is about 2000 times the distance from the sun to the earth; the second, about 2500 times. And both are lengths; neither one is an area. Are you sure you didn't mean square kilometers? Uporządnicki (talk) 12:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2022

In the section 'Russian 2022 invasion of Ukraine' the last line of the first paragraph has a hanging bracket before 'American intelligence service' which should be removed. It appears to be there in error. Dauwenkust (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Appears to be there because of previous edit where it was linked, but removed.-- • Apollo468•  02:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 invasion

The Russians will have probably taken Kyiv in a day or two. It is believed that they have entered a hospital and opened fire with patients inside, which is a severe war crime. They have as well attacked a kindergarten with children inside. They have ran a car over with a elderly civilian inside. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-war-kyiv-invasion-latest-b2022971.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-forces-attack-kindergarten-in-ukraine-casualties-reported-officials/ar-AAUiMYv?ocid=uxbndlbing Megabits13 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 I also recommend having this page either listed as a protected page or a semi-protected page for this is a controversial topic. Megabits13 (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

What would you like to change for the first one? Also, it is extended-confirmed right now (500+ edits). The next would be full protection and template protection, which means only admins can edit.-- • Apollo468•  22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Natural Resources

There is a post on Facebook making the rounds with quite a bit of "facts" about Ukraine's vast natural resources, such as uranium and mercury resources, farm land, etc. A brief scan of this article doesn't mention natural resources. MeekMark (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Russia war with Ukraine

Russia invades Ukraine 2A00:23C8:3F0B:C01:C528:33C3:1CA8:B6A8 (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.-- • Apollo468•  22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Added FAQ

Added a FAQ to the Talk header. There's only one question on it now (about second-largest country in Europe), but feel free to add more. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding Kyiv In Invaded Area's

OK! So Kyiv Is In Battle Now, I Suggest Changing The Map To Russia, Because A Russian Victory Is More Likely? Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 02:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, Adding A Own Section For The 2022 Russo Ukrainian War Would Be Nice Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

^ No? Change the map? Even if they took Kyiv it doesn't mean the battle is over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.193.153.131 (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Which invaded area? And the invaded area's what? Uporządnicki (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

But seriously (apart from the snide remark on grammar; the plural of "area" is "areas," NOT "area's"), you're proposing we declare it done, based on what you believe will likely happen in the future. 16:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

NATO

According to the news regarding the invasion of Russia 2022 Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. 2601:542:C002:E6A0:B44E:1AC2:56BE:596A (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)