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One Minute Closer to Death

One Minute Closer to Death → Death Magnetic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No assistance to navigation. Probably a rumoured title before release. Failed to find any reference to this title at target, nor at any other page. If there is a better target I have missed, I would remain in favour of retargetting. Richhoncho (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak redirect to Ranking Roger, maybe? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 22:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and do not retarget to the above suggestion. In the absence of a plausible target, the best solution is to delete this. We don't want to confuse readers who may end up in an article where there's no mention whatsoever of the title in question. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ranking Roger who, according to Google, has a song by this title.Wiki-psyc (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No mention of this title at Ranking Roger so again no help to navigation. Richhoncho (talk) 15:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yard Ball

Yard Ball → Wiffle ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiffle®ball

Wiffle®ball → Wiffle ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wiffle(r)ball → Wiffle ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The difficulty/unlikeliness of typing the registered trademark symbol, the lack of a space, and the fact that the concept predates the trademark make these redirects unlikely, unhelpful, and possibly misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The logo on the official website does show the ® symbol after "Wiffle" but not especailly prominently. On first use on other pages the symbol is inlcuded - e.g. the welcome page begins "Dear WIFFLE® Enthusiast:". However usage on the news page includes "[T]he WIFFLE ® Ball was inducted into the National Toy Hall of Fame." with that spacing. Putting all this together I don't think that the unspaced registered trade mark symbol is a likely search term. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete even if the unspaced registered trademark was was used more often in promotional material it’s highly unlikely that the average person who type that trying to search for it.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 03:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mossy Land

Mossy Land → Peat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Besides the fact that this redirect uses proper case when its current target is not a proper-cased subject, this redirect does not seem to be an alternative name for the target, leaving the connection to possibly seem WP:NEO. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because peat is just mossy land, not everyone knows the actual name of it and could be useful Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 21:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:RDELETE item 10: This redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article based on content published in Rees's Cyclopædia under the heading of Mossy Land. The target article contains no information on the subject of Mossy Land. Paleorthid (talk) 01:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Minimal criminal

Minimal criminal → Minimal counterexample (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Irrelevant target article; "Minimal counterexample" is a mathematical concept, while the title of the redirect is "Minimal criminal" which itself doesn't make any sense. Should be listed for retargeting —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 17:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Kaiaphas#Minimal Criminal as it seems that is a name that he has used and Googling for it shows more hits for him than for anything else, on the first page at least. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect is linked from Well-ordering principle, another mathematical article, which is pending references from 2008. I have added another citations needed for the criminal part. Jay (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and hatnote for the Kaiaphas project. Richard Courant and Herbert Robbins, "What is Mathematics?" 2nd ed., 1996, ISBN 9780195105193, page 495: "Since there is no point in making bad maps bigger, we go the opposite way and look at the smallest bad maps, colloquially known as minimal criminals."

The term seems to have arisen in the context of the four color theorem. Paradoctor (talk) 04:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Jodhi Bibi

Jodhi Bibi → Mariam-uz-Zamani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I request for deletion of the redirect Jodhi Bibi as Mariam-uz-Zamani is not referred to as Jodhi Bibi in any books, articles, television shows, websites, discussion,etc. Jodhi Bibi is used rarely for her daughter-in-law, Jagat Gosain but since its barely even used, I think it's okay to not redirect to her either. Also no articles link to Jodhi Bibi and is a rarely visited page, so it removal possibly would not cause any problems.
Manavati (talk) 20:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Jagat Gosain, as nominator suggests that it is a valid nickname for this individual. —Ost (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Functional dissonance

Functional dissonance → Consonance and dissonance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Structural dissonance → Consonance and dissonance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target (the word "functional" does not even appear there at all). 1234 kb of .rar files (is this dangerous?) 14:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Functional dissonance as per Functional and Non-Functional Dissonance Journal of Music Theory Vol. 4, No. 2 (Nov., 1960), pp. 233-235 (3 pages) Wiki-psyc (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both "Functional dissonance" and "Structural dissonance" deserve articles of their own, with a subject matter distinct from what can be dealt with in "Consonance and dissonance." See James Tenney. A History of Consonance and Dissonance, New York: Excelsior, 1988. Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 09:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Hucbald.SaintAmand, REDYES. Veverve (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: While it may be ideal to have a separate article, it would seem the redirect for "Functional dissonance" makes sense in the interim. It seems to me that functional and non-functional dissonance could be covered in an article about dissonance.Wiki-psyc (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While eventually we should have articles about both, the redirects are reasonable as they are pointing to the most closely related content we have right now. The redirects can be switched into articles whenever someone feels competent enough to write them. One of the uses of redirects is to decouple building infrastructure from (re-)organizing contents, and it is good to have them so that continuing to build infrastructure isn't hindered by content work laying somewhat behind. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Canoeing at the 2017 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival

Canoeing at the 2017 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival → 2017 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Missleading in templates such as Template:Events at the 2017 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival. Should be deleted to provoke page creation. CLalgo (talk) 13:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - valid redirect, and to preserve page history. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral On one hand, there shouldn't be an article about this, per WP:NOTDATABASE (and due to the fact that no other content seems to exist about this). On the other, even if properly targeted, this is an unlikely search term (giving this is a rather unlikely topic as well), and there is no content about this (other than a line in the sports-by-sports medal table) at the target article (which is itself not much better than a database entry). Removing the redirect would not remove any functionality or valuable content (previous versions of this redirect are entirely unsourced); though at the same time keeping it is a redirect to discourage article creation is also a valid concern. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to encourage article creation. Nothing in the completely unsourced history that would help with that. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Revert to the article per WP:BLAR. The objection to the previous article content was one editor disputing notability, the redirect has been objected to with an assertion that it is notable. The place to determine the answer to questions of notability of articles is AfD not RfD. The article was partially sourced, not completely unsourced so the assertion that there is nothing that would help writing a sourced article is incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and AfD per Thryduulf. I don't feel that it is appropriate as a redirect however since there is next to no information at the target (so second preference delete I suppose). A7V2 (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Revert to the article as there are others like it.Wiki-psyc (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nasty Party

Nasty Party → Theresa May#Early Parliamentary career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Appears to have originally been an article retargeted to Conservatism in the United Kingdom but changed to the current target without discussion. Theresa May popularised the phrase, but it isn't really in relation to her. Suggest Restore per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nasty Party or retarget to somewhere more appropriate as WP:RNEUTRAL. Bonoahx (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete entirely. The original redirect doesn't mention the phrase "Nasty Party" at all (and such a redirect seems borderline PoV/disruptive). The Theresa May reference at least mentions the phrase, but I don't see it being notable enough for this redirect ot exist. — Czello 11:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as is, or restore: It certainly is a known and probably notable expression enough and probably ought to be included in Conservatism in the United Kingdom—it is used routinely in discussions around British politics to describe the shifts in positioning of the UK's political parties (i.e. following shifts in public attitudes and Howard's failure in the 2005 General Election, the Conservative Party moving away from social conservatism and towards the social liberalism of the David Cameron/George Osborne years). Examples of it being used: Guardian 2002, Independent 2021, BBC 2002, BBC 2008, BBC 2021, BBC 2021 again LabourList 2016. The neutrality argument here seems weak—the phrase is associated with Theresa May. The redirect does not say to the reader "Theresa May is a nasty party" nor "Theresa May is a member of a nasty party". If you read it like that, the neutrality argument would also apply if to any other redirect target (e.g. the Conservative Party or 'Conservatism in the UK'). Redirecting any political slogan or expression could have an obtuse interpretation, but we should assume a sensible reader who can grasp a modicum of nuance. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's a little bit of content at Compassionate conservatism#United Kingdom. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 01:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A plausible search term that's discussed in sufficient depth at the target article, which is about the person who introduced the term into mainstream political discourse. WP:RNEUTRAL, which the nominator cites, explicitly contradicts their argument. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did not make my rationale particularly clear - my thought process was that it could be redirected to Conservatism in the United Kingdom or Conservative Party (UK) as a non-neutral representation of the Tory party. The keep arguments are a good rebuttal to that but just thought I'd try to make myself clear. Bonoahx (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Plausible search term and May is definitely associated with the phrase. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Department of Finance

Department of Finance → Finance minister (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm really not sure what the proper process is for converting a redirect to a dismabiguation page so forgive me if I'm in the wrong place here. Currently, Department of Finance redirects to finance minister. I believe however that this page would serve much better as a disambiguation page for a considerable number of Departments of Finance throughout the world. See here for search results. Calistemon (talk) 11:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the right place. ~~Convert to set index~~ per nom, I'll see if I can draft one shortly. eviolite (talk) 16:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, while drafting it I found this section Ministry of Finance#Named "Department" that already lists ministries of finance called "Department", which serves largely the same purpose. Retarget there instead. eviolite (talk) 16:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Ministry of Finance#Named "Department" and tag as {{R from ambiguous term}}. Thryduulf (talk) 22:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Ministry of Finance#Named "Department" per User:Eviolite --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment businesses have finance departments... but would not have ministries. And universities have academic finance departments (teaching) and operational finance departments (like a company's finance dept) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Irish nationalism

Nationalist (Northern Ireland) → Irish nationalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Northern Irish nationalism → Ulster nationalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nationalism (Northern Ireland) → Irish nationalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Northern Irish nationalist → Irish nationalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Disambiguate Northern Irish nationalism between Irish and Ulster nationalisms, the term is clearly ambiguous. And retarget Nationalist (Northern Ireland) to this disambiguation page. Olchug (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Rationale is unclear. The Banner talk 19:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget Northern Irish nationalism to Irish nationalism and keep Nationalist (Northern Ireland). Nationalism in Northern Ireland is a subset of Irish nationalism. I created Nationalism (Northern Ireland) and Northern Irish nationalist targeting Irish nationalism too. Schleiz (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note also that the User:Mr Taz who redirected Northern Irish nationalism to Ulster nationalism has been blocked indefinitely for disruptive editing. --Schleiz (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CoBain

CoBain → Kurt Cobain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
ToBy → Toby (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible capitalization in the middle of the name. Created in 2008 and not relevant camel case titles. By a user who created redirects with various possible misspelling and capitalization combinations. Suggest deletion. Jay (talk) 05:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similar RfDs related to the user's capitalizations: RfD for Paul WolFowitz and Paul WolfoWitz, RfD for HoWard Taft and Howard TaFt, RfD for HoWard TaFt. Jay (talk) 05:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kinda weak keep CoBain, which for some reason keeps getting a decent stream of pageviews such as 146 last year, and delete ToBy, that one hasn't Been getting a lot of use nowadays. Regards, SONIC678 06:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 146 per year is a statistical irrelevance, ~1 every other day or two. Probably a weird fan site or a mirror, or linkfarm. They'll cope. Zaathras (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep CoBain per Sonic678 - the 150-200 hits per year it consistently gets is a very large number for a redirect, statistical noise amounts to a low single digit number per year. I've got no idea where those views are coming from, but that doesn't matter - making it harder for the people to access the content they are looking for harms the encyclopaedia without bringing any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete ToBy. The 15-20 hits it gets per year are borderline relevant, but there is no obvious connection to the capitalisation. Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paul WolFowitz

Paul WolFowitz → Paul Wolfowitz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Paul WolfoWitz → Paul Wolfowitz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible capitalization in the middle of the name. Created in 2008 and not relevant camel case titles. By a user who created redirects with various possible misspelling and capitalization combinations. Suggest deletion. Jay (talk) 05:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similar RfDs related to the user's capitalizations: RfD for HoWard Taft and Howard TaFt, RfD for HoWard TaFt. Jay (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both per nom. These don't seem to be receiving much traFFic in the Way of pageviews, apart From a Few mostly relatively small spikes here and there. Regards, SONIC678 06:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DeLete both per nom and Sonic678, implausible typo. Bonoahx (talk) 10:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vlad Puttin

Vlad Puttin → Vladimir Putin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The target is not known by this name. This looks to be a parody twitter handle with a handful of tweets in January 2018, and not mentioned at the target. Suggest deletion. Jay (talk) 05:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, no reliable sources use this term (all I can see are Twitter handles, Reddit posts, and comments on other forums), and it is not a plausible typo. Bonoahx (talk) 10:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HoWard Taft

HoWard Taft → William Howard Taft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Howard TaFt → William Howard Taft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete these implausible ones for the same reasons as the nom. WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 2#HoWard TaFt 2 ~~below~~; created by the same blocked user. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Howard TaFt - crosses the line of implausibility - it's extremely rare to capitalize random letters in the middle of words. Likely created as disruption, given the history of the page creator, but keep HoWard Taft as it's inexplicably getting linked to from somewhere, probably externally. Hog Farm _Talk 15:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nom. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 22:12, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both neither are old enough to be {{R from camelcase}} oldstyle links from early 2000s -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep HoWard Taft and delete Howard TaFt per Hog Farm. Deleting the Former might inconvenience a lot of readers (it's still being linked, possibly From external links as Well), but not so much With the latter, Which only got a Whopping 7 pagevieWs compared to the Former's 453. Regards, SONIC678 06:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nom. MB 14:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jschlatt

Jschlatt → One True King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per REDYES. This could be its own article. There's currently a draft about it, but even if it gets rejected, I think this redirect should still be deleted. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 04:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@QuickQuokka: That really doesn't make any sense. If the draft gets accepted, then the redirect will be moved or something to make way for it. If it is rejected for notability concerns, then why should we have a red link when it's unlikely for an article to get created in the first place? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 07:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete but not per nom. As the draft says, he is more known for Minecraft. Dream SMP mentions him in reference to L'Manberg. It is not fair to redirect the topic to One True King only. Jay (talk) 08:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jay: Do you mean to !vote retarget then? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dream SMP per Jay's response. L33tm4n (talk) 00:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant delete. It is not fair to either topic. Jay (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Connection Tour 07

Connection Tour 07 → Nintendo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nowhere mentioned in article, and creator of redirect is a confirmed sockpuppet. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 16:46, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl#Release which has a minor mention, or Delete since it's likely not helpful. It used to be mentioned here on Nintendo Australia, the original target, but the material was not merged when the article got AfDed. There was also a mention in a now-deleted article but of course, that doesn't exist anymore. eviolite (talk) 17:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:List of Negro league baseball players/2012 proposed revision

Talk:List of Negro league baseball players/2012 proposed revision → User talk:Bison X/2012 proposed revision (List of Negro league baseball players) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally nominated for speedy deletion by @UnitedStatesian per speedy deletion criterion G8 as a talk page for a non-existent page. Courtesy ping for @Liz. FASTILY 00:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete cross-namespace redirect to a user talk page, zero substantial page history. -FASTILY 00:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no reason to have this cross-namespace redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per rationale at #Talk:List of Negro league baseball players/test. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 19:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:List of Negro league baseball players/test

Talk:List of Negro league baseball players/test → User talk:Bison X/2012 proposed revision (List of Negro league baseball players) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally nominated for speedy deletion by @UnitedStatesian per speedy deletion criterion G8 as a talk page for a non-existent page. Courtesy ping for @Liz. FASTILY 00:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete cross-namespace redirect to a user talk page, zero substantial page history. -FASTILY 00:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no reason to have this cross-namespace redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep G8 is not applicable: This criterion excludes any page that is useful to Wikipedia, and in particular: * Pages that should be moved to a different location First, I moved the "non-existent" page from "List of Negro league baseball players" to "Lists of Negro league baseball players" (plural) but I missed the subpages; that means this redirect should be moved to a different location excluding it from G8. Second, this redirects to a page I userfied to preserve its history as it was part of a contentious XfD several years ago, the redirect is linked to in several WP & talk archives so deletion would break the links, so therefore the redirect is useful to Wikipedia and again excluded from G8.

Regarding Cross-namespace. This applies to redirects (apart from shortcuts) from the main namespace to any other namespace.... "Mainspace" is defined as The main namespace is the default namespace and does not use a prefix in article page names. ... The main namespace does not include any pages in any of the specified namespaces that are used for particular purposes, such as: * the talk namespaces for discussing what the content of articles in mainspace should be. Since this was in the "talk" space, it is excluded from "cross-namespace redirect" criteria as it specifically is for "main namespace."

And finally, this redirect was attempted to be deleted last week by UnitedStatesian when they moved the target of the redirect from my user-talkspace to my userspace here, causing the redirect to show on AnomieBot's broken redirect list, causing it to be deleted by Liz. This is a direct violation of UnitedStatesian's page mover permission which only allows for the redirect to be deleted if Moving pages within a requester's own userspace to another location if a desire for deletion is expressed. No such request was made, and if a pattern of such misuse is shown, it is grounds for removal. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for any irreparable issues I caused, that was not my intent. But it would be helpful to know why the subpage targeted by both redirects is in the User talk: namespace, and not in the User: namespace. Can you enlighten us? Thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where are sandboxes required to be in "User" space as opposed to "User talk" space? And, why is it of such an interest to you to move it after so many years? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly don't want to answer my reasonable question, so why should I answer your questions? And you seem angry with me for some reason, I am not sure why. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The burden is on you to show where sandboxes should be in user space, which you have not done. Until you can do that, your questions, and actions, are baseless. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I base it on WP:OWNTALK, which says "User talk pages must serve their primary purpose, which is to make communication and collaboration among editors easier." Of over 3,000 pages that transclude {{draft article}}, congrats, yours is the only non-trivial transclusion in the User talk: space: pretty strong evidence that draft articles are not supposed to be there. You could have also saved all these spilled pixels by tagging both redirects with {{G8-exempt}}, along with any others you find useful for some reason. Hope this helps. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OWNTALK, nor any other page, disallows sandboxes to be kept in user talk. Why are you focused on only one of my sandboxes, after so many years? I have several, yet this is the ONLY one you target. Stop moving users' sandboxes. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I tried to make clear, this was the only one in the User talk: space tagged with {{draft article}}. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've commented out said template. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 10:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I did delete this page when it showed up as a broken redirect and because I thought it was a cross-namespace redirect. It seems like this dispute hinges on whether cross-namespace redirects refers ONLY to article space or if it can it apply to other spaces as well.

An essay, Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects is delightfully vague and states that this is a "controversial" issue and presents arguments both for and against deletion of cross-namespace redirects. But it does specify MAIN space so it is questionable whether the Talk space is included in "main space" or whether Talk is a separate namespace entirely that is not covered by the cross-namespace guidance. The only conclusion I can come to is, unlike my opinion before discussing the matter with Bison X, the answer isn't as black and white as I originally thought and that this particular instance will be a judgment call on the part of the closer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyiv Internatioanl Film Festival "Molodist"

Kyiv Internatioanl Film Festival "Molodist" → Kyiv International Film Festival "Molodist" (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect for an unlikely misspelling Atlantic306 (talk) 01:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per K4; this is an {{R from move}}, which was the article title for a few months. Those few months were enough to see this redirect garner some views from old links, and we are better served not breaking them. It isn't like this redirect is causing any signficant harm. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 01:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per J947, and because redirects are cheap, and there's nothing wrong with keeping some typo redirects around. Fieari (talk) 03:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was the one who unthinkingly mentioned the possibility of RFD in an edit summary while adding {{R from misspelling}}. It was not a serious request for nor attempt at an RFD nomination, and I should have considered the implications more carefully. I am neutral to the nomination as it currently stands. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Z (hate symbol)

Z (hate symbol) → Z (military symbol) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The Russian "Z" does not appear to be regularly described in reliable sources as a hate symbol – a more appropriate target would probably be Wolfsangel per USA Today. Maybe I missed something, since it's a tad difficult to search for a single letter in this manner, but I would suggest it's too soon to be classifying the Russian "Z" as a hate symbol, given the reliable sources aren't there. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Redirects don't require reliable sources, they just have to be an unambiguous alternate title or search term. That said, you may be right that Wolfsangel is a better target, except that the Russian Z is a current hot news topic and people may be struggling to figure out how to describe it in their searches for it... and this does seem to be a plausible way they might search for it, given that some people (not reliable sources, just some people) online are describing it as a hate symbol. I almost want to create a disambiguation page for various uses of Z-like symbols as group identifiers, but that might be too broad. But regardless... searching for information on this thing is difficult, because it's so generic! It's just a letter of the alphabet! Fieari (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 *<span id="Northern Irish nationalism">{{no redirect|1 = Northern Irish nationalism }}</span> → [[:Ulster nationalism]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Northern Irish nationalism|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Northern Irish nationalism|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Northern Irish nationalism|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2022-02-07&end=2022-03-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Northern_Irish_nationalism|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalism|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalism]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalism|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalism]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalism|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalism]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
+*<span id="Nationalism (Northern Ireland)">{{Rfd2/-r|Nationalism (Northern Ireland)}}</span> → [[:Irish nationalism]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2022-02-12&end=2022-03-13&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nationalism_(Northern_Ireland)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nationalism (Northern Ireland)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nationalism (Northern Ireland)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Nationalism (Northern Ireland)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nationalism (Northern Ireland)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
+*<span id="Northern Irish nationalist">{{Rfd2/-r|Northern Irish nationalist}}</span> → [[:Irish nationalism]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Northern Irish nationalist|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Northern Irish nationalist|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Northern Irish nationalist|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2022-02-12&end=2022-03-13&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Northern_Irish_nationalist|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalist|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalist]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalist|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalist]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Northern Irish nationalist|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Northern Irish nationalist]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
 '''Disambiguate''' ''Northern Irish nationalism'' between Irish and Ulster nationalisms, the term is clearly ambiguous. And retarget [[Nationalist (Northern Ireland)]] to this disambiguation page. [[User:Olchug|Olchug]] ([[User talk:Olchug|talk]]) 09:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)