Talk:Stefan Molyneux

Not technically far-right. He's anarcho-capitalist.

Far right means hyper-nationalist and white nationalist. Because he is an anarchist, he technically is not far-right or alt-right. He is a fringe anarcho-capitalist racist conspiracy theorist. 76.113.227.254 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes by reliable sources. You are not the first person to claim on this talk page that there is some contradiction between being far-right and anarcho-capitalist, but reliable sources do not, in general, treat this as an important refutation. There are a lot of reasons sources don't take this position seriously, but for our purposes, we would need sources explain this as a contradiction as it relates to Molyneux by name. Using sources which are not about Molyneux but are about anarcho-capitalism would likely be WP:SYNTH for anything in this article. Grayfell (talk) 07:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

There are no sources that support the claim that he is a white nationalist or far right. There are sources that make that claim but they don't support it. I doubt he claims to be far-right. What does he claim to be and why isn't that listed? 68.6.71.154 (talk) 18:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

He is a libertarian according to Southern Poverty law Center. A libertarian is not far-right.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/stefan-molyneux 68.6.71.154 (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Upon re-reading his entry there is nothing listed that evidences his as being far-right or alt-right. 68.6.71.154 (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

We go by what RS say (for example) the above source lists his ideology as "alt-right", and ", shifting from the Ayn Rand libertarian right (and from supporting Ron Paul in 2008) to the ethno-nationalist far-right,"). Slatersteven (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure AnCap is just a non-authoritarian far right philosophy and your definition is incorrect. Dronebogus (talk) 08:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Source for the claim he is an anarchist? Slatersteven (talk) 10:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Eugenics in the lede?

The lede states that Molyneux promotes eugenics to his audience, and does so in wikivoice. However, the only other mention of the word in the entire article is an attributed statement coming from the SPLC, which doesn't even elaborate on what exactly his promotion of eugenics entails. The article needs better sources that elaborate on the subjects pro-eugenics positions, otherwise specifically mentioning eugenics in the lede is WP:UNDUE. 46.97.170.11 (talk) 12:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it should be removed from the lede - looking at the SPLC link, it looks like by "promotes eugenics" they mean "has interviewed a few people who believe in eugenics". It's a nonsense claim. Korny O'Near (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This is WP:OR. SPLC is a reliable source, the question isn't whether Molyneux promotes Eugenics or not, but whether or not high quality reliable sources report on it to such an extent that justify emphasizing it in the lede, using in wikivoice. The attributed statement by the SPLC is not a problem, only the mention in the lede. 46.97.170.11 (talk) 11:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I made the change. Korny O'Near (talk) 16:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is this so unobjective?

Can we get an entry that isn't so plainly unobjective. Very little is in the entry that discusses his actual beliefs or counter-arguments. It's 90% a bunch of entries about people's editorial opinions. There are very few facts in here. Most of it resembles defamation as it contains little supporting evidence. What makes him far right exactly? What makes him a racist exactly? Suggesting rap music causes violence is not a racist opinion. Are we just anti-science now? It's ironic that the entry essentially calls him out for being a bigot but then excludes any real material information that would allow someone to reasonably come to any conclusion. At least support with some quotes or something. Citing to another's editorial opinion that he is racist isn't evidence of racism. It's just creating an echo chamber. 68.6.71.154 (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

We do not say that him saying rap music causes violence is racist. Slatersteven (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

exactly my point 24.205.76.240 (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

If you aren't happy with the way the article is written, try to rework it in your sandbox - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 20:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Your point is we do not say something, then you need RS saying it. Slatersteven (talk) 20:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Forgive me, but what is defined as a RS (I'm assuming that means "Reliable Source")? Vice, ScreenRant and the SPLC definitely shouldn't qualify.

Additionally, many major news outlets have lost credibility in recent years yet they are also cited as being reliable sources. 2601:410:4200:3260:B1B4:A212:8E36:7130 (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2023 (UTC)