Talk:Billy Mitchell (gamer)

Article, upon reading, seems to have a positive bias toward Mitchell

I couldn't think of a better way to word the title so you'll have to bear with my explanation, which is probably not up to the level of conciseness or quality that the other posts seem to be here.

Anyway, I casually use Wikipedia for research and i don't tend to edit it particularly, but I noticed while reading this article that it really does not seem to like to outright call Mitchell a cheater, or say his scores are cheated. the article for the most part seems to (somewhat falsely) portray Mitchell as a legitimate gamer, when almost all of his most prized records are faked.

I hope this isn't an awful topic, I just noticed this while reading the article. I think it would be helpful to outright state where Mitchell's records have been proven to be fake. One part that struck me is that it states Guinness reinstated his records, and while i know this is factual it could give off the belief to someone inexperienced with the subject that the records were proven to be legitimate.

I am aware and agree that the article should not label Mitchell as a fraud, but it should be stated that the common belief is accepted that he has faked many of his records. Furthermore, the end of the article talks about his lawsuits towards the YouTuber Karl Jobst and upon further research, Mitchell makes a habit out of filing lawsuits which can be regarded as frivolous - perhaps this can be touched upon. I wouldn't dare edit the article myself due to my lack of experience with it but hopefully this can be taken into consideration. Sorry about this rambling mess, hopefully you can understand what i mean by this.51.52.224.164 (talk) 19:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Because there is yet no decision on the case, we really cannot call out Mitchell asa cheater under WP:BLP. We talk of the accusations but as there is no verified or confirmed form of cheating, we cannot outright say these are true. Masem (t) 19:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Every person who likes him says we're too tough on him. Anyone who dislikes him says we're too easy on him. The truth is that we've got to stick to what reliable sources say on him. That's more or less where we find ourselves today. Feel free to propose specific changes. Until you understand Wikipedia's standard for usable sources, WP:VG/S is a pretty extensive resources of sources to use or avoid in the video game content area. Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

What I do not seem to understand is that most of those "reliable sources" are mostly Mitchell himself, how is that not biased? I however agree with the notion that he is innocent until proven guilty. Gonace (talk) 05:51, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The way I see it, those who are with him, are with him purely for the nostalga of the game, and probably looked to him as some kind of inspiration. Probably similar to how Kanye West defended Bill Cosby in his own way after his scandal. Those who are not with him are bullied into a corner about this, weither they are right or wrong, and the main reason I think Wikipedias administration is not unbiased in the article so carefully is because they don't want to get sued. That's a major reason people are not actively behind Karl Jobst who is also being sued by Mitchell. To both sides before the Truth comes out in either case, there is no cure for stupidity, and you can't stop a pathological liar. Just look at the American political system for that example. Maxcardun (talk) 17:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The sources are not "mostly Mitchell himself". This assertion greatly puzzles me. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Billy Mitchell Twitch channel should be added

https://www.twitch.tv/billy_mitchell 2600:6C5D:37F:3E8B:EC55:432A:E7B2:1E6E (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Jobst lawsuits dismissed?

The sourced article states that the lawsuits are currently ongoing. Where is the source that these lawsuits were dismissed? 2600:1700:4769:A030:ED8E:AFBE:9E3A:A7E1 (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I also noticed this. Is there anyone that can correct this or add a source to back up the statement that the lawsuits were thrown out? I couldn’t find any sources myself. It looks like the suits are ongoing. Extoverse (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9umbsmrFk08&feature=youtu.be time 19:10. As of today, July 31, 2023, Karl Jobst himself says he is being sued currently! 67.4.196.55 (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

This is a WP:BLP, so a much better source than a YouTube video is needed to add content to this article. Sergecross73 msg me 12:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2023

I would like to add a section detailing his many lawsuits, as well as the fact that many of his records were proven to be fake. This is not meant in malice or distaste for Billy Mitchell, but only for all public information on this individual to be present. 107.11.172.145 (talk) 11:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

We have already discussion of the lawsuits as reported through reliable sources. WP does not use primary sources like court records or unreliable blogs to source content about BLPs.

Much of the issue around Mitchell's records and whether they are fake or not is a lot of "he said she said", so we can't factually report that these scores were falsified/cheated on/etc., though we can outline accusations related to that as documented in reliable sources. Masem (t) 13:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I hate to be rude but this is very untrue. There are large amounts of technical evidence and analysis, as well as images of illegally modified arcade cabinets where he claims to have achieved records. It is not a "he said she said" situation. Wikipedia can and should reflect the news coverage and the rulings from scoring authorities that the scores were not achieved on authentic arcade machines without illegally modified hardware. Emmmm.Ayyyy. (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect Link to Todd Rogers Page 7/31/23

In the end of the second paragraph of the disputed records section, the link for Todd Rogers will get redirected. The link is found here:

"Further, it was determined that the verifier for the Boomers and Mortgage Brokers scores was Twin Galaxies referee Todd Rogers, who had himself been banned from Twin Galaxies for submitting fraudulent scores, putting Mitchell's scores in doubt.[4]"

The link for Todd Rogers is redirected from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Todd_Rogers_(video_game_player)&redirect=no, the page for Todd Rogers (video game player) when it should go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Rogers_(gamer), the page for Todd Rogers (gamer)

There is nothing in that Todd Rogers (video game player), except Todd Rogers (gamer) so there is no need to send them to Todd Rogers (video game player) only to redirect them to Todd Rogers (gamer).

I think I've fixed it.Emmmm.Ayyyy. (talk) 17:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)