→Discussion about different image choices: *I actually prefer F&F's version - it also has the huge merit of being the shortest, as it only uses landscape format images. 3 night-time images is a bit much, & one might swop the station pic with that used in another set.
::::::::yes sure. feel free to update the infobox with the mentioned detail [[User:DaDeadzombie|DaDeadzombie]] ([[User talk:DaDeadzombie|talk]]) 15:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::yes sure. feel free to update the infobox with the mentioned detail [[User:DaDeadzombie|DaDeadzombie]] ([[User talk:DaDeadzombie|talk]]) 15:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
*I actually prefer F&F's version - it also has the huge merit of being the shortest, as it only uses landscape format images. 3 night-time images is a bit much, & one might swop the station pic with that used in another set. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
*I actually prefer F&F's version - it also has the huge merit of being the shortest, as it only uses landscape format images. 3 night-time images is a bit much, & one might swop the station pic with that used in another set. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
*:F&F's version makes no sense. All popular places that city is known for are completely ignored. And some strange choice of images are selected. [[User:DaDeadzombie|DaDeadzombie]] ([[User talk:DaDeadzombie|talk]]) 15:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Replacing the Manikarnika Ghat Image with a Godowlia Market Image, Varanasi is well known as City of Ghats but visitors to Varanasi page might appreciate a diverse representation of Varanasi. SamudraScars (talk) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please be more precise on which image file, you want to request to be changed, and to which image file to be changed to. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)10:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox images need change for representation
Images are not properly representing the city that it should as this is a page for the city Varanasi. Hence a change is needed. Some famous places are also missing from the infobox image section as well which should be added. Hence making some changes in infobox here. Open for discussion and modifications.
I have reverted your edit per WP:BRD and WP:ONUS. It is Wikipedia policy. You need to achieve a new consensus to overturn a longstanding selection of images. A new consensus takes time—several days and quite often over a week. The infobox pictures serve, in part, to also illustrate the text in the lead. What text in the lead had your pictures attempted to illustrate? Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk»22:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I said: how do the newly added images illustrate the text in the lead, by which I mean all four paragraphs in the lead of text in the lead—as much as six or seven images can.
All images a priori illustrate their respective captions if the caption are half-way on the mark.
whatever Lead you are mentioning have hyperlinks. So one can give it a go. and also the images I have put are not random if you give it a look. It's just the recent images of the same places you have mentioned. DaDeadzombie (talk) 06:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why have any images at all in the infobox as everything there is in hyperlinks?
You have now removed text from the lead on the grounds that humans can't be mentioned. What aspect of the MOS:LEAD guidelines is that? Why did you leave in Annie Besant? I will revert back to the longstanding version one more time. Your images are shining ones that might appeal to some tourists, but how are they encyclopedic? There is nothing in the lead about a railway station, let alone about how it appears lit up in the night after a rain shower. There is nothing encyclopedic in showing the new tourist vista of the Kashi Vishwanath Temple. I am now pinging some administrators. If you persist in edit-warring, I will post on their user talk pages. @RegentsPark, Abecedare, El C, and Vanamonde93:Fowler&fowler«Talk»11:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BHU Central Library 2016How is the picture of the Central Library taken in 2016—which shows a clean building, much obscured by palm trees, not to mention the grass of Ireland—more encyclopedic or more representative of the Benares Hindu University than the picture also taken in 2016 which had shown a fuller view of a building, the humans that make it a university, and the more realistic grass, not to mention some mildew on the outer walls?
whatever encyclopaedic images you are talking about have already their own pages with history, legacy details.
This is Varanasi city page, in infobox the images present should represent the city it's famous places not some personality who are from the place that's it.
I have no opinion on the specific images offered here, but @DaDeadzombie:, as the person seeking to make changes to long-standing content, it is your responsibility to obtain consensus for the change, via talk page discussion or an RFC. You may not repeatedly revert to your preferred version once it's been challenged. Vanamonde (Talk)15:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DaDeadzombie I agree. city has been presented by some unknown users who really don't know about Varanasi. again it is changed by Flower name user. Who is not ready to listen talk page discussion Themodifie7 (talk) 02:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From top, left to right: Munshi Ghat, Varanasi; Varanasi street; Lal Khan Tomb; New Vishwanath Temple, Benares Hindu University; Varanasi Railway Station; Adi Keshav Temple, the city's oldest; Faculty of Arts, BHU; Benares Sanskrit College, founded in 1791 during East India Company rule.
@103.249.7.20: Wedging the captions between pictures takes away from the visual quality of the arrangement. The arrangement becomes irrelevant. The white borders become thick horizontally, but remain narrow vertically; the captions run into a second line, even when they are short.
See the same pictures on the left Fowler&fowler«Talk»23:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fowler&fowler Stop reverting again and again. Talk page discussion is here. People here are agree as it was done by DaDeadzombie. Don't need to mention some particular people in images and some exceptions. Themodifie7 (talk) 02:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted only to the longstanding version. An admin, Vanamonde93, has just posted above. Please read. You need to obtain consensus here for changing that longstanding text. Fowler&fowler«Talk»02:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again @Themodifie7: Please read the administrator's words above to @DaDeadzombie:: "as the person seeking to make changes to long-standing content, it is your responsibility to obtain consensus for the change, via talk page discussion or an RFC. You may not repeatedly revert to your preferred version once it's been challenged." Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk»03:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
we all came into an agreement that any famous Personality image from the same page should not be used in City page infobox right? I think We all agreed upon it. so whh @Fowler&fowler again moved it back to the same old format where some personalities' images are in city page infobox?
I'm failing to understand Munshi Ghat, Benaras College, Manikarnika Ghat all are in use in existing infobox.
Only 2 personality names are changed to other famous places as this is a city page.
and for Munshi Ghat, a more shining image is used that goes well with the format of infobox with proper captions as well.
Failing to understand when majority in talk page are in favour of the new change of removing personality names from infobox why without coming into conclusions the images are again & again reverted.!!!
@DaDeadzombie: I can't tell if you're purposely ignoring the warnings people are giving you, but once again, you need to STOP REVERTING to your preferred version of the page until consensus is reached here. You're heading for a block. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have added alt text to the images in the infobox. This helps three kinds of people:
those who cannot see and need alt text to tell them what images show,
those who find the caption at the bottom of the collage difficult to understand,
people who add images and want to check that the caption still lists the images in the right order
Maybe it would be more productive to discuss separately:
Whether to use collage format, or to have individual captions for images in the infobox,
Whether the width should be 250 or 260,
What those images should be.
So what I have done is to create a comparison of the three versions, all in the same 250 collage format with alt text for all images.-- Toddy1(talk)13:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion whether the images in the infobox should be in collage format, or have individual captions
DaDeadzombie => (Collage format or individual captions both look fine. But going by other city pages individual captions are way forward. Any new changes can be made easily when required when there's individual caption (example let's say reconstruction of something famous, renaming of some place, new important landmark that is essential and required to be added etc.) DaDeadzombie (talk) 18:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Left to right, top to bottom:Munshi Ghat, Varanasi; Varanasi street; Lal Khan Tomb; New Vishwanath Temple, Benares Hindu University; Varanasi Railway Station; Adi Keshav Temple, the city's oldest; Faculty of Arts, BHU; Benares Sanskrit College, founded in 1791 during East India Company rule.
Discussion about different image choices
DaDeadzombie => (1st set i.e The current infobox images don't represent the city at all. Some personalities are mentioned which is irrelevant for image infobox of a city page. Also famous places like Kashi Vish Temple is ignored.
2ne set is arranged by me that represents famous places with better resolution images in a proper format. Open for new suggestions and upgrades.
3rd set i.e Fowler&fowler's suggestion is totally weird. Out of all famous places he chooses a blank & white random narrow gully image with a cow sitting :(
and also some other images like Adi Keshav Temple, Lal Khan Tomb are not notable places these places don't have their own Wikipedia pages but the images of 2nd set certainly have. ! ) DaDeadzombie (talk) 14:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Toddy1 => Personally, I like the current collage. But comparing the new images:
DaDeadzombie's collage has three photographs of buildings next to the river, which I think is excessive. In addition the Munshi Ghat and Ahilya Ghat photographs are too similar to each other.
In the station image in DaDeadzombie's collage the main feature is the station building, whereas the main feature of the station image in Fowler&fowler's collage is the way it is lit up at night. DaDeadzombie's station image is a better choice because of that.
The Benares Hindu University image is better in the current collage than in either of DaDeadzombie's or Fowler&fowler's collages.
I think that if you took DaDeadzombie's collage and replaced Benares Hindu University image with the current one, and replaced the Ahilya Ghat and Manikarnika Ghat images with two of Fowler&fowler's tomb/temple images you would have an improved collage.-- Toddy1(talk)14:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toddy1 Putting some particular persons as for any famous thing is stupid, I am talking about individuals images. replace it with for what Varanasi is best known for:
I actually prefer F&F's version - it also has the huge merit of being the shortest, as it only uses landscape format images. 3 night-time images is a bit much, & one might swop the station pic with that used in another set. Johnbod (talk) 15:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
F&F's version makes no sense. All popular places that city is known for are completely ignored. And some strange choice of images are selected. DaDeadzombie (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please be more precise on which image file, you want to request to be changed, and to which image file to be changed to. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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