Talk:Freddie Freeman

Canadian?

This is the first I have ever heard of this. According to the Braves Media Guide he was born and raised in California. Could someone provide a source on this claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by V2micca (talk • contribs) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

He is a Canadian citizen by descent. Both of his parents were born and raised in Canada. His mother is from Toronto, while his father is from Windsor. Canadian Nationality Law automatically recognizes the children of Canadian-born citizens to be Canadian citizens automatically at birth--even if they were born outside of Canada. Freeman has also stated that he would like to play for Canada in the World Baseball Classic as a tribute to his mother.

http://www.canadianbaseballnetwork.com/articles/canuck-discovery-freddie-freeman/

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules_2009.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.13.97 (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I will continue to add this fact because it's documented as both parents were born in Canada and since that's the case, Canadian nationality law recognizes him as a citizen. In addition, he is now representing Canada internationally for the second time in baseball. Anybody with intelligence can see that the man is obviously a Canadian. Wikipedia is about documenting factual information, which is the case with Freddie Freeman being listed as Canadian, despite what all other people think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.246.2 (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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How do you get rid of the redirect? because the Superhero that has existed for 70 years should be the main Freddy Freeman that Wikipedia should lead too. RyuKlinge (talk) 09:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree and fixed it.--Yankees10 15:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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Canadian

He was born in the U.S. of Canadian parents, but that does not give him Canadian citizenship. He might have it, but there would need to be a reference for the claim. ... discospinster _talk 03:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes it does. Canadian Citizenship law gives any person born after 1977 with Canadian parents automatic citizenship based on jus Sanguinis. If it is established he has Canadian parentage, it is also established he has Canadian citizenship. --173.32.93.209 (talk) 02:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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American and Canadian

Freeman plays for the Canada team and is Canadian based on his parents birth. Others may diagree of course but find consensus to do so. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

We use nationality, not citizenship in the lead. Freeman has never lived in Canada, but rather in the USA his entire life. The fact that he has Canadian citizenship is irrelevant. The fact that he plays for Team Canada in the World Baseball Classic is also irrelevant as many players play for countries that they just have ancestors from. It's not the same as the Olympics. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@JDDJS There's enough support below for me to withdraw my objection. You can close with my support. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 03:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Request for comment on including Canadian in the lead

Should he be referred to as American and Canadian or just American in the lead? See MOS:ETHNICITY for the relevant policy. Note the above conversation. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 23:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

• Just American. As stated above, we use nationality and not citizenship for the lead. We do not automatically include citizenship in the lead. There have been numerous precedents for this, such as Dwayne Johnson, Emily Blunt and Julianne Moore, just off the top of my head. Freeman has never lived in Canada. Yes, he plays for Canada in the World Baseball Classic, but many players represent countries that they have very loose ties in that league. Overall, he's only notable as an American. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 23:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
  • He's logically not only noteable as American, since he plays for the Canadian national team...--Ortizesp (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
• Just American--✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 02:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• Just American per above. Some1 (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• American - he was born in America, and his dual-citizenship is adequately explained in the Early life section. Isaidnoway (talk) 🍁 09:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
• Canadian and American, he's a dual citizen and plays for the Canadian national team. I'm not sure the arguments against both being included make any sense.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
• Canadian and American, he's a dual citizen and plays for the Canadian national team. Freeman self describes himself as a Canadian as well, Kyrie Irving has Australian in his lead because he self describes himself as an international.

  Black roses124 (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

• Just American same reasoning as others.-- Yankees10 23:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
• Just American MOS:BIOFIRSTSENTENCE is clear on using nationality, and does not mention anything about citizenship. Freeman is an American by birth and nationality. He represents Canada in the WBC because the WBC made extremely loose restrictions on what nation you can play for to encourage players to spread the talent around to other teams. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
• Canadian and American ok Articles describe him as both example https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6976556, he’s self identifies as Canadian, he’s plays for the Canadian national team which is notable if they win WBC that be very notable achievement. Vladdy jr has both in his article, Kyrie has both in his article his cousin has both in hers Carson Branstine. What if he got traded to the blue jays is he still an American in Canada. With the “He never lived in Canada” he’s been in MLB 13 years you have to go to Toronto to play Blue Jays all those hotel stays in Toronto over 13 years add up do they not count? Also why don’t you ask Freddie what do you think he’d prefer Canadian and American or just American its silly to just include American when Freeman himself would disagree with it why can’t Wikipedia just respect Freddie Freeman’s self identity?

  184.144.112.243 (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• Canadian and American - MOS:NATIONALITY says In cases of public or relevant dual citizenship, or a career that spans a subject's emigration, the use of the word and reduces ambiguity. He considers himself a Canadian and has duel citizenship. We should respect his wishes and this fits within the policy. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 00:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)