Talk:Lucifer

Not-Related to a fallen angel in Christianity

Greetings, pointing to WP:NAD, I would suggest to remove the section claiming that the term "Lucifer" is not necessarily related to the devil, to be removed, since this article should be about he figure associated with and not the term itself. Maybe parts of the article might be moved to the Wiktionary project?--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 11:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Why would an article on an ancient God be related to Christianity? Dimadick (talk) 22:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I believe VenusFeuerFalle is referring to the section #Uses unrelated to the notion of a fallen angel. The point is that the article is about morning-star deities, not about the word "Lucifer" itself, so discussion of unrelated uses of the term is out of place. Dan from A.P. (talk) 06:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't get why the article focuses so much on the name Lucifer. Sometimes the article feels like it is written by someone, who holds the name sacred. Does this pssage holds any encyclopedic relevance? "Origen was not the first to interpret the Isaiah 14 passage as referring to the devil: he was preceded by at least Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who in his Adversus Marcionem (book 5, chapters 11 and 17) twice presents as spoken by the devil the words of Isaiah 14:14: "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High".[78][79][80] Though Tertullian was a speaker of the language in which the word "lucifer" was created, "Lucifer" is not among the numerous names and phrases he used to describe the devil.[81] Even at the time of the Latin writer Augustine of Hippo (354–430), a contemporary of the composition of the Vulgate, "Lucifer" had not yet become a common name for the devil" I mean, whether or not early Christians may used "Lucifer" as a proper name, it became one.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Correct on the name is not of isaiah, its actually starts in rome, what is the relevance? lucifers real name is lugh or lug king of kings god of skills, rising sun, war and the celts. Upon interacting with the celts and learning of their cheif god of the time. the romans gave him their own name to do as they always done, which is adopt and act as though he was a part of theirs all along and associated him to being a varient of apollo.

Now fast forward to rome becoming christian and celts still at the time holding fast to lug, morrigan, finn ect. With only oral tradition. The christians started to try converting celts but at first it was a hards sell because jesus wasnt the only one who died in their early 30s via murder and came back too the world of the living and performed inhuman abilites (in some ways more he embodied the son of god more than jesus did and lug was said to have been reincarnated by the morrigan into his son cuchulain, after being murdered). Now that frustraited and worried the new roman christian leaders thinking that lug's story may spread and jesus's did and destroy their rightous work. They then started taking a new route that would become a standard way for the catholics and christians which was propaganda, deception, agression and like always for the old romans combining and acting as if it had been that way all along. So since celts didnt write anything down lug became a secret name and lucifer had be popularised as well as demonified being the devil who was worshiped by pagens(which was wöden) and had horns (helmet) and a long straight spade tail (gae bulg his spear) and red skin (hair) bkah bkah blah. When in reality he was most likely a man on the status of japanese emporer. So there you go there's the connection of lucifer from celts to roman peitas/hedonism to roman christian to us today. ChasenL (talk) 11:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Lucifer is a title not a name

Lucifer means bringer of light/bearer of light. It's a powerful title given by God until the angel opposed God and was given the title Satan, meaning adversary. Jesus later claims to be the morning star, Lucifer. It's not the demons name. 50.47.109.128 (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Source? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

What is the essential difference between a name and a title? Presumably, we would say, that a name is a label that attaches to an individual personally; and a title relates to their function, or a honorific, or some other qualification, which may change. However, in different cultures from ours, names can be subject to alteration in response to their bearer's changing function (e.g., the 18th Century Japanese artist, originally called Tokitarō, later named Shunrō, still later Tawaraya Sōri, then Hokusai Tomisa, and finally shortened to Hokusai, by which name he is now world-renowned). Even in Western culture, for example, a royal heir may change their baptismal name for a regnal name by which they are to be known after coronation; and conventionally, a woman's surname can change to her husband's upon marriage, without need of involving the law. Names, in fact, really are titles.

Nuttyskin (talk) 10:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Lucifer is the name of the ancient Latin/Roman/Italian god of the morning star (version of the Greek Phosphorus).--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 03:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Lucifer in Islam

Who is lucifer in Islam? 2407:D000:F:2466:D0CF:B835:B4A1:1FEE (talk) 07:59, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

The Latin name Lucifer doesn't appear in the traditional Middle Eastern religious writings, which motly used Persian or Arabic. The personification of "the morning star" could best be seen as Zuhra, a woman who convinced two fallen angels to revel the password to ascend to heaven, whereupon she tried to raise up to the divine spheres but was eventually punished by God and imprisoned in the "star" Venus.

The Christian figure Lucifer derives from the concept of the devil and the figure Satan. Islam developed their own version of Satan called Iblis, whose name before the fall is Azazil. Although there are similarities between the Islamic version of Azazil and Lucifer, they are ultimately distinct due tot he cultural context.

Only once I found a scholar who identified an angel called Nuriel with Lucifer. This scholar thought that Nuriel might have been adapted by Muslim writers from Christians. "Lucifer" couldn't be found. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Link to hapax legomenon

I thought a note linking to hapax legomenon would be helpful near this statement—I actually asked myself when reading it, "What's that thing called when something appears only once in a work?" and went to look it up. User:Blaze Wolf reverted. Per WP:BRD, I'm dropping this here to seek others' input. I won't redo the edit; if others feel it's useful, be my guest. --47.147.118.55 (talk) 05:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

God didn't whack Lucifer we missed links of etymology breaks and human error interrupt it as fear of calamity-Judgment

We need to remember the Togo people(ewe, sheep) and the Jews(G's and J's are silent in yiddish) but they were slaves in Eygpt. The Eygptian folklore of "Lake of Fire" is outer space, and the judgement of "darkness " and weeping and thrashing is a eytomolgy mix of the letter "shin". Eygpt was trying to article two boats-straits as a means to "physically ascend" into outer Space[Upper Eschalon of Heaven] And the Yiddish ancient Semitic alphabet Shin has 4 meanings, Press{winnowing/reaping(as in pun of weeping work), teeth(hieroglyphs of teeth meaning gnashing grinding- eatting, fire because of how it looked(hieroglyphs) and two a separation[from the Euphrates river]. So There is no hell in the fiery detail but its teh fact we live on earth and work and grow wheat and we thresh the chaff and wheat and separate the two, so God collects the souls from the body. AS for God he is never tempted to wrath-knowing every detail of character he put Lucifer at the center of Worship instead to show his love.God is referred as being impartial and that includes in his admiration of a being wanting to be "like God" and would rise us up to the anointing, How ever even teh Son of God-God in the flesh said "arent we all small Gods" and was deemed blasphemous and then crucified. By all means its a mix up because I Emmanuel literally was killed over him saying it's okay to aspire to be like God, thats the whole rhetoric. Quick mention God is said to have always spoke in parables and hides peoples eye from the meaning until they see light. its to protect the wreath, Also when Jesus resurrected he physically came to the earthly plane and flew to outer space, so the nephelims also came from heaven. theres a lot of eytomolgy that could bless the occasion but We need to remember God is love. Also (forgive my first post) but the Jews on safari.org if you look at the original writing of yiddish its strictly consonants. and so when the fall of humanity was the forbidden fruit it actually says "devouring slaying of the sword" colonizing thats why they were led to the wilderness to have to rebuild their fort. but the israelites started a revolt-which the orignal writing for the consequence of the DGN[written dragon later] and the leg was a soothsayer so "dvl" is dbl, like insurance, people are trying to be God mystic-power-(lest not lack Compassion). its not a dragon sorcery its spirit-seraphim, our souls is originally written "STN" STAN for soul. nothing negative, we might conflate something as a lemon meaning "to deprecate as an ill omen" was --Galaticrefuge (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Cuculus canorus. Nuttyskin (talk) 09:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

too Christianity-focused

Lucifer is the name of the ancient Latin/Roman/Italian god of the morning star (version of the Greek Phosphorus), which (predating Christianity) should be stated in the beginning section, but no longer is: this article is too Christianity-focused.--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 03:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)