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This section could use some trimming or possibly complete removal. —The Great Llama ^moo? 21:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The unsourced comparison to Superman/Bizzaro should probably be the first thing cut. Jay32183 22:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mario rescued Princess Daisy in Super Mario Land for the Game Boy. In sports titles, however, Daisy frequents with Luigi more often. In Super Smash Bros. Melee, the text explaining Princess Daisy's trophy states that after her appearance in Mario Golf, she was portrayed as Luigi's answer to Mario's Peach.[18]" Just thought I should note that this statement is incorrect. The trophy states that "some gossips" started portraying Daisy as Luigi's answer to Mario's Peach. The way this is worded makes it seem as though Nintendo was portraying Daisy in such a manner, when in fact it has not. The idea that Luigi and Daisy are a potential couple is, at the moment, mere fanon. Actually Mario rescues princess peach not princess daisy

I tweaked the wording a bit. Deleting the sentence entirely might be better, but we should probably think of something to replace it first, as that paragraph would be rather short without it. –Llama man^{sign here} 20:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

What nationality is Mario?

I am foreigner. Sorry for my awkward English.

Is it true that Mario is Italian? Of course, he speaks Italian very occasionally, but he usually uses American English. According to Japanese Wikipedia , Some people think Mario is Italian because of his appearances and behaviors. Other people think he is American who is merely good at speaking Italian. In fact, we don't know what official nationality he is. In any case, he lives in Mushroom Kingdom. We can guess therefore he is not Italian or American but a people of Mushroom Kingdom. yes Mario is Italian /A citizen of the fictitional MUSHROOM KINGDOM trust me i used to own a NINTENDO NES How do you feel? 211.129.162.191 02:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like original research. I don't know how things work on ja, but here on en we need to source our information. If there's not a source for Mario being Italian, we'll have to add one.

Also, your English is quite good. I wouldn't worry about it. Andre (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

In the games, Mario was never described as being from Italy. The only info we have to go on regarding his background, is the game Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, where it has Mario and Luigi being "born" in the Mushroom Kingdom. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for showing your opinions. Japanese wikipedians also regard original research as rough manners. The guess that Mario is a people of the Mushroom Kingdom is based on the discussion of the page of Mario in Japan.

By the way, I have a question. According to the English page, "Mario is depicted as a short, pudgy Italian plumber who lives in the Mushroom Kingdom..." Which do you interpret the word Italian plumber, as a plumber who is Italian in nationality or as a plumber who comes from Italy? 211.129.162.191=60.39.45.153 14:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Italian bit mainly comes from the way his voice actor (Charles Martinet) portrays him. Martinet's voiceover work for Mario (as well as Luigi, Wario and Waluigi) clearly has an Italian accent, although this may be because Mario is a popular Italian name. Another Mushroom Kingdom resident, Toadsworth (who is also voiced by Martinet) is given British speach patterns, but is not considered to be from England or the surrounding areas. Perhaps, the Mushroom Kingdom is broken into many territories like Earth is, and the different countries within it reflect the "real world" in some way. Whether or not this is the case remains to be determined. Perhaps someday Nintendo will elaborate on this, then again, they might like to keep it vague so the fans can determine for themselves. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont forget wario

It has also been mentioned that Mario was born in Brooklyn, so maybe he is Italian-American. Marcus 21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Brooklyn part was made up for the cartoons and the movie, and is considered non-canon. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mario was given his name from Mario Segali, the landowner of NOA at the time Donkey Kong was relesed. I don't know, but I think Mario Segali is Italian, or otherwise there's no reason why Mario should have an Italian accent. I Am Magnus^talk 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Mario is often referred to as Italian in Nintendo Power, plus I could of sworn a game package said he was Italian. The reason he appears to speak english in the games is so that we can all understand him. For example, for a European Mario game, his speech and dialogue is translated to the local language. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Donkey Kong took place in the Mushroom Kingdom, because there was no mushrooms or Princess Peach Yes i think it took place in Tanzania or The Congo The reason Mario has an Italian accent is because he was supposed to have a brooklyn accent, but Charles Martinet was told to make him more "kid-friendly" so he came up with the first thing he could think of. I am not making this up, I heard it on Electric Playground in an interview with Charles.68.43.180.69 22:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Mario is mentioned as being Italian in several issues of Nintendo Power. I could scroung up specific examples if it helps.DarshaAssant 07:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Brooklyn part was made up for the cartoons and the movie, and is considered non-canon. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Not altogether true, In Mario is Missing, Mario and Luigi are noted to be from the "Big Apple". There are some games that say he is from America. - Sonic0967 15:48, 27 April 2007 (MST)

mushroom kingdomer

Hey lives in the mushroom kingdom and the games takes place on Mushroom World which seems to be another planet separate form earth. So his cannonical nationality is the Mushroom Kingdom not any earth real nation.--71.123.191.125 10:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Look what I found...

Hey, check this out! http://sonic.sega.jp/event/006/images/006_sonic.gif Think we should mention it in the article? Just a thought...--Superbub 20:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't add anything to the article. --Soetermans 09:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Baby Mario

This section looks like it talks a lot about the games Baby Mario appears in, such as the gameplay and storyline, rather than simply talking about the character. The story and gameplay should only be included when it provides context. If some of this could be removed, so that the article would be more focused, then it would also have the benefit of making more of the article real world significant, rather than just the in universe significance. Does that make sense? Jay32183 22:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC) is there such thing as a baby Mario

Pro's and Con's of Mario and Communism

A few of you out there have heard of the 'argument' that Super Mario Brothers was 'communist propeganda' in the form of a parody. It would be possibly worthy of mentioning but it would hardly be encyclopedia like. Any discussion on this? [www.communist-mario.com]VentusIgnis 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not something important to this article. We don't need to reference evrytime Mario is used in a bit of humor. Jay32183 03:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

mario and communism dont mix

Mario's picture

Mario's typical look and his Super Smash Bros. look are two different things. Just look at Bowser's typical look compared to Bowser in Super Smash Bros. Melee. If you want the most general picture of Mario, use im upset becuase bowser is not in games as much as he used to be http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Mario2small.jpg

because the way Mario looks in the article now is limited to the Super Smash Bros. series.

That's what the image originally was; someone just recently changed it. I've changed it back. —The Great Llama^moo? 00:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps various images of marios appearance (from the original Jumpman design to Super Smash Bros. Brawl) could be incorporated into the article. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not support TJ Spyke removing the alt text from Mario's picture on the basis of vandalism. It is not vandalsim. We should have alt text so people who are Blind and Low–Vision have a description of how the image looks. Taric25 18:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

We can't actually see the alt text anyway when it's put there. Not vandalism, but in this case not useful either.--Wizardman 18:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It's very useful to people who are Blind and Low–Vision, and it doesn't lower the quality for everyone else. Taric25 05:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Being blind or low-vision not only prevents some one from seeing pictures, but also prevents that person from reading text. I don't see how adding something that requires vision helps the vision impaired. Jay32183 20:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Text does not require vision, at least not on a computer. People who are Blind or Low–Vision use their UAs (User Agents) to access information. For example, UAs cannot describe images, however, if an image has alt text, then it will do one of three things. If the user is Low–Vision or chooses enlarged text instead of images, it will make the text very large and easy to read. If the user is Blind or prefers audio, the UA will use a synthetic voice to read the alt text. If the user is DeafBlind or prefers braille, then the UA will display braille on the user's dynamic braille display. We must keep the alt text so people who are Blind or Low–Vision have the same access to information as everyone else. If you'd like to learn more, see Screen reader. Taric25 05:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't those things also read the caption under the picture? There isn't a real benefit. The alt text is hidden unless the cursor is over the image, so the caption is a much better place to have the image defined by text. Jay32183 18:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

A screen reader would read the caption under the picture, but the caption under the picture does not indicate how Mario looks. All it says is "For over 25 years, Mario has been Nintendo's official mascot." A person who is Blind or Low–Vision should have an idea of how Mario looks. The alt text is hidden unless the cursor is over the image or if the user uses a screen reader. The screen reader user "sees" the alt text instead of the image. Taric25 08:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

In mass media

In Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Mario is given the stage name of "Great Gonzales" during his battles in Glitzville. Before a climatic battle, one of the audience members refers to Mario as "Jumpman," poking fun at Mario's past identity. Mario got his name from Nintendo of America's landlord, Mario Segali. Before that, he did not have a name and was referred to simply as "Jumpman". Mario's nickname in Mario Hoops 3 on 3 is "The Jumpman", again making reference to his original name. Mario is currently voiced by Charles Martinet, who voices Luigi, both their baby counterparts, Wario, Waluigi, and other characters such as Donkey Kong.[15].

This section of the text seems to have nothing to do with mass media. Any duplicate information should be deleted, and the rest, if relevant, should be moved to the appropriate place, such as concept and creation. Jay32183 23:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Done, might still need some cleanup, though. I've also deleted the header "In mass media" since that section is now so small. —The Great Llama^moo? 00:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Feel Bad about asking this

As far as linking goes, there are a few sites I could think of adding, at first I thought they were too unsignificant based off of that note left on the links, but then I saw Super Mario Legacy, a new and rather dry website, added in. So what are the specifics to adding a site to the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.129.94.190 (talk • contribs).

Citation Added

I added a citation to the sales information. Please give me your input and tell me if it wwas accurate, etc. King Toadsworth "The Princess is in Another Castle (Again)" 04:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Occupation and hobbies

Should the part about Mario and Luigi's personalities in the show be removed? It's not canon. —The Great Llama^moo? 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought. Another thing to consider would be is it reasonable to assume the average reader would be familiar with it or care to know about it. I think some readers would be interested in knowing there are different versions, but they probably don't care too much about the fine details. Jay32183 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that for the sake of completeness, Mario's personality should be kept, but Luigi should be removed, because there is a separate article for him. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Because were talking about jobs, I think I should mention this. As much as I like Mario, he's almost as bad as Barbie, as in the fact that he can't keep a job. At one point he's a plumber. Then he's a referee. Then he's a go-kart driver!

inline citations

I think the {{Cite video game}} template might help add some of those inline citations you're looking for. That way when the information comes straight from a game you can still add a citation. Hope this helps you guys. Jay32183 02:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of Mario Games Sold

The article states that the series has sold 285 million, but it source states that it hasn't even sold 200 million (193 million as of September 2006). 18:07, 7 December 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

It used to say 185 million, I dont know why it changed. Jay32183 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Quickly looking over some old article versions, there was a source stating that over 275 million games featuring Mario have been sold, but there is a significant difference between having Mario in the game and being a Mario game. The more than 193 million figure fits the statement better. Dancter 23:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

All of you are wrong. Nintendo has sold LIKE A KA-JILLION MARIO GAMES.

Mario's up for Good Article Review

Mario's up for WP:GA/R - concern seems to be about the citations - criteria 2a and 2d have been named specifically. - Malkinann 08:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Baby Mario II

Upon reading this article, I was thinking that Baby Mario should probably have its own article. There could be a small section in this article about him, but I feel that it's taking away a bit from Mario as a whole since BM has so much information. Figured I'd throw this out there as I have no idea what the consensus would be between everyone. --Wizardman 18:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this before and I think it’s a great idea. Besides, this section still seems to describe his role in various games more then it actually describes his characteristics. Personally I think if any reference is made to Baby Mario at all, it should rather brief. Therefore, I think that either the section should be shorten or it should be split up into its on article. Does anyone else agree? Master Strike 15:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been wanting it shortened because it goes into too much game detail. Last time I checked there was more gameplay detail on Baby Mario than Mario as a whole in the "Appearances" section. That seems to be undue focus, which would prevent this from becoming a Featured Article which requires staying focused. Jay32183 18:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I just realized that Baby Mario redirects to Mario. There's a problem in itself. I'll make a Baby Mario article and just have a mention in here. It may take me some time, so if anyone's not busy and wants to move the info, go for it. --Wizardman 19:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You should be able to write over the redirect. If you get there through the "What links here" button on the side of the screen you can get to the redirect page without it redirecting you here. Jay32183 19:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see you were bold and separated Baby Mario. Do you have a plan for a one-paragraph summary style section or should we discuss how to do that? Jay32183 21:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That was fast... Yeah, what I'll do is add in at least a little bit of Baby Mario and the connection, though whatever I do wil certainly have to be improved. --Wizardman 21:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

someone should delete all this baby mario garbage

Mario got put as the #1 franchise of all time from www.ign.com

Subject says it all, my source is this: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/749/749069p5.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.117.209.109 (talk) 08:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

This article is about Mario as a fictional character not a gmae series. If the is an article on the series then that information should go there. Jay32183 17:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Opinion

He is considered the most well-rounded character in the series.

Wouldn't this be more of a opinion than a fact? I realize that in nearly all other games (Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario 3-on-3) Mario is listed as "All-Around." However, in Super Smash Brothers and the sequels, I'm not sure if he's well-rounded, much less "the most" well-rounded. He is usually considered middle-weight, but I have opinions that he is a bit better in the air than on the ground, and also think he lacks far range attacks. This is just my opinion however, don't bite. =P ...My first post, if I did anything wrong, or have any tips, please comment. Yellow Panda 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC) 12/12/06 Yellow Panda

Usually his games say that he has no glaring weaknesses or strengths. He's just average. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make him medium-tier? DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, take Mario Kart DS for example; when veiwing the driver's cars, you will notice that Mario normally has his stat bars near the middle, unlike Bowser or Taod. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"Metal Mario" and "Weapons"

Do these subjects really need seperate sections? They are both extremely short. –The Great Llama^moo? 00:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the need there own sections. Being discussed within powers and abilities should be enough. Jay32183 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Hello everybody. I have added some citations to this article. Feel free to give me feedback on my contributions. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 23:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Yahoo and Gamespot ones are fine, I think, but I've removed the other two because answers.com gets its info from other sites (including Wikipedia) and whatever the other site was wasn't reliable. –The Great Llama^moo? 00:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahem

Sorry to have put in two bad references. I am trying my hardest here, you know. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 02:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Caption Problem

The image that is accompanied by "Mario made his first #D debut in Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars", is actually Super Mario64. I'm thinking that it need to be changed so that it's and image of SMRPG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevis (talk • contribs).

He really did his 3-D debut make it in SM 64, not SM RPG. Some user probably thought he did so in the latter, but was then reverted. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not...

Can we just remove some of the statements requiring references? The trivia for the Super Mario Bros. Super Show is a bit on the crufty side anyways. Alternatively, we could just link the Super Show section to its main article. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 18:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It's usually fine to remove crufty statements that can't be sourced. This would also help reduce the in-universe text relative to the real-world text. Jay32183 22:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Notable site?

Is the "Mario Mayhem" site notable? It was recently placed in the external links section. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 20:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Mario Mayhem was removed from the external links after I added it, I know it is a new site but some of the content on it is unlike any other Mario site. Is it possible to get it re-added? (Timby007 18:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC))

New sites generally aren't notable, so it probably shouldn't be added back in. –Llama man^{sign here} 20:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah ok, sorry i'm very new to all of this. I still think it is a great site so maybe I will bring it up again once it has been a bit more established as a fan site! (Timby007 07:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

I have to say, if Super Mario Legacy is a notable site, than mario mayhem is more than a noteable site. Super Mario Legacy doesn't hardly have any content. (Timby007 03:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

Category:Fictional toy inventors

Is Mario really a toy inventor? Is there any proof that he actually invented the Mini Mario toys? –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, the edit's been reverted. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

no,there's no proof as far as im concerned

Mario Segale/i?

OK, is the Mario's namesake's last name "Segale" or "Segali"? –Llama man^{sign here} 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Nobody knows (perhaps other than Shigeru Miyamoto himself). His last name is never given, though the movie says his last name is Mario. The movie, however, is not canon. Geohevy 01:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I mean the landlord of NOA, his namesake, not the character Mario. –Llama man^{sign here} 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

GA review

A Good Article review has ended on this article, and in a 4 to 0 vote, this article has been delisted from the Good Article list. Primarily, lack of citations was the main concern, though it was originally filed for vandalism. Dispute archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 12. Homestarmy 20:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Review of Nomination

Basically, the Appearances section and his physical appaearance and abilities ould use some references. On reading I think it looks pretty good, but I'm not going to touch it until that stuff is fixed. It seems to follow everything else on first read, but I'll look it over. --Wizardman 05:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

German Wikipedia

I kinda noticed the sad state this article is in, and I think I have a bit of a solution. In the German Wikipedia, Mario is a featured article, so I was thinking if we just use that as a reference, we might get this article back into shape. Is it the good? Cat's Tuxedo 01:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well we can't use Wikipedia as a reference for Wikipedia. We can translate sections and cite the same sources. But that would assume German Wikipedia and English Wikipedia have the exact same expectations. Couldn't hurt to get a translation of the German article though. Jay32183 02:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I meant.Cat's Tuxedo 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Failing GA nomination

I don't know who nominated this for GA review, but it's still not ready to go. I would have put it on hold, but there are just too many problems: lack of sources, esp. in Physical appearance, along with way too many POV (and not-sourced) statements; plus, confusing and not-explained statements (such as 'pack in'.) Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 23:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Koopa(Troopa)s

Mario Bros.

The arcade version of Mario Bros.After his appearance in Donkey Kong Junior, Mario appeared again in 1983 in Mario Bros., Mario's first appearance as the titular hero. After a colleague cited that Mario looked more like a plumber than a carpenter, Miyamoto changed his occupation accordingly. In this game, which was originally called Pipe Jump, Mario and his brother Luigi must exterminate Koopas and other pests that entered from the underground pipes, often by flipping them over. Although the game's success steadily declined, it was not the brothers' last appearance.

Here, It says that Mario must exterminate Koopas, however, "Koopa" is the name for Bowser, and the name for those other little creatures are Koopa Troopas. Also, the flying kind are called Koopa Paratroopas.Norn Guy 02:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario World has 72 levels!

"Each of the 96 levels possessed several exits, which increased the player's freedom of choice, and hid many secret levels, largely increasing the replay value of the game." thats a lot of levels for a NINTENDO NES game This is untrue. There are 72 levels. However, there are 96 exits. 24 of the levels have 2 exits. Can someone edit this, please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.225.202.15 (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Super Mario World is for the SNES. Think before you talk. --88.8.163.81 20:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What should this be?

"2002's Nintendo Gamecube marks the first time a Mario game wasn't published at the sametime. " This was introduced at the recent major overhaul, which otherwise seems really good. S Sepp 22:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Results of the major overhaul

The new sections about the games seem to talk too much about the games themselves. The article should stay focused on the creation and development of Mario. The overhaul did have the advantage of removing the unecessary parts of the "in-universe" perspective. Please see Link (The Legend of Zelda) for details. Jay32183 03:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

POV

Just a suggestion, but the current article seems to be riddled with statements that insinuate a point of view. [ie. "considered to be the best..."] I also think that the "Kiddy System" section doesn`t seem to belong. King Toadsworth ^{The Princess is in another Castle!} 22:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I think there should have been some more discussion before the overhaul. –Llama man 22:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The overhaul seems to have created as many problems as it solved. Jay32183 23:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the German Wikipedia has virtually the exact same information, and that's a featured articleCat's Tuxedo 14:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The English and German projects don't have the exact same standards. Jay32183 18:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

How Mario got to the Mushroom Kingdom

There's been lot's of confusion over this, so I'm gonna post what I think happened.

Mario used to be a construction worker. He hada girl friend named Pauline. One day Pauline was kidnapped by a giant monkey, nicknamed Donkey Kong. He took her up to the top of the constrution site Mario was at, and stomped all around, doing significant damage. Mario ran up the scafolding and saved Pauline. Mario was blamed by his boss for the damag he did to stop the monkey, and was fired. So Mario, with the help of his brother Luigi, Mario started his own plumber buisness. There first job was cleaning out the newyork sewer system. When they got down there, they found it had been infested with hundreds of monsters. They spent many hours cleaning it out, and when they were done they found a weird green pipe. While they were looking down, Donkey Kong snuck up on them. He was mad at Mario for beating him up, and wanted to pummel him. So he pushed them both down the pipe, and then jumped in himself. When they emerged from the pipe, they found themselves in a bright new land. Donkey Kong, bewildered by this sight, ran off. Whem Mario and Luigi woke up, (they were knocked out when they hit the ground) they saw the pipe recede into the ground. They started to freak out, but then they saw a weird man with a mushroom on his head. The man said that their princess had been captured, and asked for their help. He showed Mario a picture of the Princess. Mario imediatly fell in love with her, forgeting all about Pauline. He then vowed to save Princess Peach from the evil Bowser! And thats how our favorite hero got to the Mushroom Kingdom!

Since that's entirely speculation, it cannot be included in the article. Jay32183 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Jay. Let me see you create a better explanation. Also, that's just a THEORY of what happened. It's not that it's true, it's what I think might have happened.

Well this talk page is for discussing imporvements to the article. Discussing the subject in general isn't always beneficial to Wikipedia. Jay32183 01:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There's only one discussion page on Mario, and it's for everyone. It's not just for people who want to improve the article. Also, Wikipedia discussion pages are for sharing facts, questions, answers, and theories about the various articles that are on Wikipedia, along with making the articles better. That's why I can freely post this, and why you are wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.136 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Please read the talk page guidelines, which are pretty clear on the matter. You really have to tie in discussions with issues with the article that should be addressed. Dancter 21:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Motion picture films?

I just realized one of the headings in the article is "motion picture films". Shouldn't the title be just "motion pictures" or just "films". I don't care which, even "movies" would be acceptable to me. But "motion picture fikms" is awkward and redundant. Jay32183 18:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Changed. –Llama man 19:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Where did his name come from?

The main article states that Mario first got his name in "Mario Bros.", but I know that he had already been identified as Mario a year earlier in "Donkey Kong Jr.", during a cut-scene where you travel to "Mario's Hideout". W4st 00:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

His name is Italin but he was orginally named jumpman.Themasterofwiki 19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

the landlord for nintendo of america resembled the character from donkey kong and of course his name was mario, so therefore they told them that or something and therefore he has been mario ever sense,

also he was mario in donkeykong junior, at the begining it says to get the key from mario to save your dad —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.177.97.43 (talk • contribs).

Computer Game?

I distinctly remember a computer game starring Mario and Luigi. The premise of the game involved finding various locations around the world, and I believe Luigi was the main character. Come to think of it, wasn't this (or a similar version of this) game released on the Super Famicom? I believe it was called "Mario Is Missing." Can someone please help find information on this subject? (Discgolfrules 23:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

• Mario Is Missing! has an article. You might want to check there. Jay32183 23:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thank you very much. And it has it's own article because it wasn't developed by nintendo? (Discgolfrules 23:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Right now, this game has an eincy–wiency refrence in the article, but it's such a good game starring Mario! Taric25 02:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Games or Mario

This article is mainly about the games he was in, not what he did in each game, his roles, etc.. I think this should be majorly rewritten. You see, when people look at character articles, they look at why and what they chacter did, not the games he starred in.209.244.43.176 19:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The article should open with the creation of the character, then go on to the development and evolution of the character, and finish up with reactions to the character. Jay32183 00:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I also agree. –Llama man^talk_contribs 00:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Should the whole history section just be scrapped for now? I really don't see more than a few paragraphs of info that actually deal with the character. How exactly should the section work while not being a giant plot summary? Nemu 03:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Mario Bros.

The main article describes an enemy as a shell creeper which evolved into a koopa troopa. This article only calls them koopa troopa. Should it be changed? 216.237.235.137 22:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Mascot section

This section has more info on other characters that mario himself. Shouldn't it be removed? The page is about mario, not his opponents. Maybe a small section, or merge it. Comments? I won't remove it without asking first. Quatreryukami 16:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

That section probably should be removed. It's an unsourced comparison to Sonic and Crash. It is not only off-topic, but it appears to be original research. Jay32183 22:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section per the concerns addressed. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 22:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mario & Sonic at the Olymic Games

Will someone add this to the article? I don't know how I should. 75.32.23.36 22:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can, because of semi-protection on the article. I would add it to the article, but I don't know where to add it. We just don't appear to have a suitable section, and I don't want to make an "upcoming games" section just for this. Maybe under "spin-offs" or "other games"? --LuigiManiac 22:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, or how about under the heading "Wii?" I seriously don't know... --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 08:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone's put a mention of it in the "Other Games" section. That seems like the best heading to give mention to M&SOG, because by what's under the "Spin-offs" section, M&SOG wouldn't fit that criteria. ~Entegy 20:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed in the article that the Mario sport games are place under "Muti-player Games". Why not put it there? 206.66.217.141 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)206.66.217.141 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for article

I was thinking about whether this article should be changed back, similar to how it was in mid-January (like this, perhaps?). Both versions need a lot of work, but, in my opinion, the current version focuses too much on the games, has POV statements, and doesn't have nearly enough references. Any thoughts? — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 20:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Currently the article looks like a big, long list of games that Mario has appeared in. I liked the way the article was before. Master Strike 18:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I've changed back to the version of article from mid-January. From discussions on the talk page, there seems to be a consensus that the version before now didn't describe the character enough. Please revert if you don't feel there's a consensus, then we can discuss some more. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 21:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I would say merge the two. The problem with that older version seems to be excessive OR, but if it were cut and formed into a sourced characteristics section, it would be fine. Nemu 21:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

How's this? — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 21:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

It just needs to be condensed, trimmed for repeated info, and cleaned up a little, and it'll probably be fine. Nemu 21:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

His Popularity

Excuse but I have a simple question? You said "Mario s popular Nintendo Character" Your supposed to put in "the most popular character, I mean he is the most popular, but why not put that in though? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Milos Warrior (talk • contribs) 01:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Duplicate Image

I hate to be stupid, but why are there two identical images of Paper Mario? Is one not good enough? JimmmyThePiep 01:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)