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Re:Your RFA

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Update from JSR

• I will be expanding the Cartography of India article since I have an article by Joseph E. Schwartzberg (published by Springer Science+Business Media). Please make sure to take a look whenever you find time.
• Rewritten the Indian Antarctic Program article and plan to further expand it. Please make sure to take a look whenever you find time.

With Best Wishes, JSR 0562 13:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. Mizu onna sango15

The Barnstar | My RFA | Design by L'Aquatique

		The Mizu onna sango15 Barnstar
		Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. —Mizu onna sango15Hello!

Thankyou for the wonderful RFA Thanks spam. Frankly I dont want to move this to my barnstars section , bcoz I am a bit embarrassed to add a barnster for my support at a RFA. I support / oppose / b neutral at RFAs on reviewing the merits and demerits of a candidate. Anyways congrats and Best of luck for the future and keep up the trust of the community. -- Tinu Cherian - 17:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries! It was just an extra thing L'Aquatique graciously added in case you wanted to add it to your awards. Have a nice day, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 03:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC).

DYK for Swadeshabhimani Ramakrishna Pillai

On 24 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Swadeshabhimani Ramakrishna Pillai, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Swadeshabhimani (newspaper)

No problem :-) CultureDrone (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Games for Windows titles

Pretty cool that it has Malayalam. --SkyWalker (talk) 23:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Retired

Not yet. Just tired. Will retire when time come. Reasons are i had slipped disc surgery on January and was paralyzed and plus my BP raised 250. So doctors advised me to be active and plus my Lawyer asked me not to sit on comp for long time. Iam a net addict so i had to stop that too. I will keep in touch with you in Email. I never had the chance to send you a email.--SkyWalker (talk) 02:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

OmG! tht was sad. Please Take care of yourself. Get well soon. My earnest prayers and wishes for you -- Tinu Cherian - 02:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tinu. Hope you are doing good too. --SkyWalker (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I am fine dude..TakeCare -- Tinu Cherian - 02:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For all your compliments to everyone! And great work around rfa. Andy (talk) 07:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your kind words -- Tinu Cherian - 07:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Vakkom Moulavi

Hi. I'm having a look through it now. I've noted a few things which I hope you don't mind me mentioning, which may help improve the article (and future articles):

• Something I've noticed in both this and the newspaper articles, and something I'd be careful about using, are words and phrases such as "legendary", "fearless" and "freedom fighter" - these are (generally) opinions rather than facts and therefore could be seen as violating WP:NPOV. Whilst the phrase "freedom fighter" has a WP article of it's own, that article states that People who describe themselves (or are described by their supporters) as "freedom fighters" tend to be called assassins, rebels, or terrorists by others., so I've left the phrase in the Vakkom Moulavi article for the moment - you may want to have a think about whether it's appropriate. I know what you're trying to say, but beware of adverse inferences that can be drawn from its use.
• The article also refers to this person both as "Moulavi" and "Maulavi" - is this just a peculiarity of translating the name ? You may want to standardise the spelling in the article, and put an "also known as" type of comment at the start of the article. This also goes for the name of his son - the "Early life and family" section refers to him as "Abdul Kadar", but the article is about someone named "Abdul Khadir" - again, you may want to use one spelling.
• The "Early life and family" section definately needs references provided to back up your statements - I've tagged these where I think it's appropriate. This also applies to various comments in the "Social reformation" section.
• I've removed a large chunk of text from the "Journalism and Swadeshabhimani" section as this is just a duplication of what's in the newspaper article itself.
• Beware of just cutting and pasting large chunks of other articles - if a web site says 'xxxxxx was a superb leader', then it's inadvisable to just copy that into an article and state it as a fact - calling someone "superb" is still just the opinion of the author of the original article, and therefore still potentially violates WP:NPOV. It would be better to say something like "xxxxxx was called a superb leader", and then provide the references to support that claim.
• Not everyone (and that includes me) is aware of all of the details of Muslim rituals and life, so phrases such as ..celebration of annual "urs" and Moharrum with bizarre unIslamic features bordering on idolatrous rituals.. may need a little explanation - or at least provide some wikilinks to related articles which might explain what "Moharrum" are, or why "unIslamic features" might be considered idolatrous.

I hope this helps :-) CultureDrone (talk) 09:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, CultureDrone .Thanks a lot for a very good and exhaustive review. Really appreciated. I will absorb the points into my next articles. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

New York City

Hello, when you (crediting Twinkle) tried yesterday to undo a (harmless) link from mid-September by user:Sanketkawde that had in fact already been removed, you reverted the entire New York City article to its previous mid-September version, thus wiping out two months of work by many people. I've just spent an hour puzzling out and correcting what had happened (after spending over half an hour yesterday restoring one of the intermediate edits I had made). I think there must be something wrong with Twinkle, perhaps with its filtering, perhaps with what it's showing you, perhaps with how you're reading or using it, perhaps with how it interprets commands or requests. —— Shakescene (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I have also just noticed that. All I was trying to remove links added by a spammer Sanketkawde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) using Twinkle. I am trying to understand how it can be mended. All i did was to restore to just previous version for the spam edit and lo ! it did mess up. I have been using TW for some time now and also experienced in using it. I am tempted to use TW again to restore the version just before my reversion, but skeptic of messing it up again.A manual cleanup is more safe. I will work on those reverted pages tonight to clear the mess I did. May be should report the bug at TW but couldnt exactly tell the issue. Thanks for leaving a note here and I am extremely sorry for the inconvieance I have caused though unknowingly :( -- Tinu Cherian - 11:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I am busy fixing up the mess which I have created due to Special:Contributions/Sanketkawde now. Thanks a lot for the headsup -- Tinu Cherian - 11:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you need to do anything more with New York City because I reverted to the version immediately before your edit and the Asian language links added after your edit must have been in previous versions (although a second or third review certainly would do no harm), and I sent a message about the subsequent population (hhh) edit to the editor involved (JKH...), so he can decide whether or how to restore it. (My own subsequent edit was just to restore what had been before, so nothing new was lost in the re-reversion.)

It looks as if Twinkle can't work surgically to revert just one edit without reverting evertything that came afterwards, in this particular case, a couple of hundred edits. —— Shakescene (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I figured out what was the issue. I saw the spammer edits today and started reverting the pages one by one to the version just before the spammer edit on each article. I saw the initial edits have been dated today and assumed the spammer have done it all the changes today itself and hence there may not be any changes after his edit. My bad ! :( I noticed only the initial dates at Special:Contributions/Sanketkawde . I think I am seriously fatigued and I should keep away from laptop now. I have reverted all my edits to this case except New York City. You can TW restore to the version to my edit on that page also. Apologies for all the inconvenience due to me . Have a nice day -- Tinu Cherian - 11:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess you have fixed the issue on New York City also by now. this is the version difference between the last edit before me and the cleanup by you. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

That is in fact what I did, compare the last version at the time with the one just before your edit, and revert everything. The problem is what about edits that came after yours? The portal I just restored. The Asian language versions were added by a robot, but it probably (although I'm not absolutely certain) just restored versions that had been there before without adding new Wikipedias. My Sister Cities edit was a restoration to what had been before anyway, so it was included in the overall re-reversion. And the population change I'm leaving up to the editor involved, because I think he may need to find a reference or a new definition to back up his change. —— Shakescene (talk) 12:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok ! All is well that ends well :) -- Tinu Cherian - 12:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Your RFA

Hi there!

Thanks for your message, and thanks for your vote! :)

The Helpful One 17:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you run your bot again?

Specifically, the same task than you did here? Thanks.Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 22:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed the msg .. Is it for WP:PHYSICS ? -- Tinu Cherian - 08:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. But could you run it after Anomie runs his (or hers)?Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 10:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No probs. Please drop a note if the other task is done . Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

		The RfA Barnstar
		Tinucherian, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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Anti-Christian violence in India - An extremist page

I have given valid reasons in the edit summary on why I've removed some of the sections from the page Anti-Christian violence in India. If you won't find the explanation convincing, please inform me. This page is an ongoing process by the Christian organizations supported activists to vindicate the name of Hinduism. Previously, articles pertaining to religious persecutions were general topics in Wikipedia. Now Indian Christian extremists segregated stories to each of the regions and organizing the pseudo-compassion drama. I don't know how much impact these changes had on you personally. For your kind information - there are a lot of Hindu persecution stories from the North Eastern parts like Nagaland, Mizoram etc and Christian brutality is not forgotten in the state of Goa and other parts of the world; especially in South America. Hindus are so neutral that they won't spend time in classifying and exaggerating mere discriminative stories. I know that you may have explanations to counter my views. Please try to remove your prejudices and analyze each issue as a human being. Thank you - User talk:Arunpnair —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC).

Hi

Thanks for the barnstar.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Keep up the good work ! -- Tinu Cherian - 16:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Mumbai 2008

Thanks. The attacks were terrible. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 09:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. We are still in the shock :( ! -- Tinu Cherian - 09:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		For clearly demonstrating a good heart on the issue as a result of whatever it was, showing gentleness and guts in your edits and in your interactions with your fellow Wikipedians, illustrating that even when disagreeing with others and bringing errors into notice, I award you this, you absolutely deserve it. Avinesh  T  09:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the Barn , Avinesh. It is really precious to receive such a one especially from a person who I had severe disagreements in the past. Thanks again -- Tinu Cherian - 11:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re: WikiProject Tagging

Hi there , Looks like Richard is busy in real life and havent edited for over a month. If Richard couldnot help in another 2-3 days, please drop a note on my talk page. TinucherianBot may be able to help you out with the same task , if Richard is busy. Thanks to kind Richard , he had also shared the auto assessment code with my bot. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Tinucherian, I never did get a response back from Richard. WikiProject Magazines, is still in need of article tagging and it would be great if your bot could help. Thanks, αЯβιτЯαЯιŁΨθ ^(talk) 15:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens RfA

Jclemens' RfA Thankspam

		JClemens' RfA Thanks
		Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Vakkom Moulavi

On 29 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vakkom Moulavi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

template:override

sorry, it was a mistake. thanks for correcting. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.95.156.119 (talk • contribs)

No problems. Just take a bit care while editing pages in WP. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 06:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Rahul Raj encounter

		The Special Barnstar
		For your contributions and support, which helped in retaining an important article Rahul Raj encounter on wikipedia. Manoj nav (talk) 10:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tinucherian, thank you for your contributions and support. Manoj nav (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the Barnster. This effort apparently gave me lots of satisfaction and I dedicate this Barnster to another good user Gppande (talk · contribs). I came to know about this AFD and the article Rahul Raj when I saw Gppande was blocked for alledged sockpuppetry. With the past interactions and knowing the contributions of Gppande, I wasnt willing to believe why the hell would he ever use a sock Kokar (talk · contribs). First of all, it wasnt the article of Gppande and he had not reason or sentiments to try to save it like this. Secondly , as far as I seen, a sock master votes first and the sock only later, which is not the case her. Thirdly I too edit WP a lot for a shared company networks and i fear to think possibly how many disruptive editors are there in the same networks I use. Gppande was blocked by User:Yellowmonkey, another wiki friend. That is why I left him a msg at User_talk:YellowMonkey#Gppande_block to kindly review the 2 day block ( see also User_talk:Gppande#Kokur ). On inspection of Rahul Raj, it may be a BIO violation but I personally felt the incident as such was worth being in Wiki. That is why I copy-edited Rahul Raj encounter and supported keep in the AFD. Your uploaded image was actually a copy viol picture , that is why I had to request it for Speedy deletion. I also nominated the article for WP:DYK and it was successfully shown in the mainpage as a DYK entry on 1 December 2008 . The AFD was also closed to keep. Through this humble effort of mine, I also request Gppande to dont lose heart , reconsider his decision to leave Wikipedia and to continue his good contributions. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tinucherian, thanks a lot for understanding and supporting me through this time. Your words of encouragement have helped me a lot. I have become a victim of WP:COWORKER and learned an important lesson from it. Never, edit WP or any other finance related websites like banks, shares or politically sensitive websites from network which might be used by others. Innocent users can become easy targets - either by accident or by some miscreants. I am not leaving WP or can never do so. My first comment to quit had come out of anger - a knee jerk reaction; sorry for that. Also, I tried to trace Kokar within my organization but have not been able to so due to real life hurdles. I also learned from WP policy that revealing someones identity to prove a point is violation. I do not wish to get into another trouble so I have left it as it is. If Kokar returns, time will prove we are two separate brains. I appreciate your work in saving the Rahul Raj encounter article and even get it promoted to DYK. Something to learn here. Instead of votes, if we think that the article deserves to be on WP, save the article by improving it with as many reliable refs/contents and notable incidents as possible. The day before I was blocked, I did the same with Gothos article and even though I was blocked the AfD resulted in speedy keep. So it does not matter what your vote is. All that matters is your work and contribution to the project. I would definitely continue my contributions but with care and caution from where I am doing so. It is important to protect ourselves first. --GPPande talk! 08:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

You have no idea how happy I am to see you back ! Thanks a lot for your kind words,I am humbled. You are absolutely right ! As a wikipedian it is imperative for us to try to save good articles by fixing the issues than merely voting as keep.Please understand that your block was probably an unintentional mistake by YM and it was due to merely coincidental evidences and limited tools available and not a bad report for your contributions to WP. Continue to enjoy your stay in WP and keep up your good contributions. Best wishes -- Tinu Cherian - 09:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks --GPPande talk! 10:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I was on Wikipedia yesterday also, but was working on Wikinews. Visit Wikinews. News I wrote about home minister is on main page :-) --GPPande talk! 10:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thatz kewl. I am not yet into wikinews yet. Wikipedia takes up lot of my time -- Tinu Cherian - 10:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

You do have a sense of 'humour'

I have not laughed at an Edit comment for a long time. Thank you. Purkunna (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jobxavier , Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Jobxavier. Stop Trolling ! . Your username is a combination of Pur and Kunna which is a slang for male & female reproductive organs in malayalam. How mean and dirty. Just like your previous usernames like Horny priests, Nuns skirt upped, Jesus onthecross I see that you have been already blocked by a CU admin as a sock of Jobxavier. 08:02, 2 December 2008 Nishkid64 (Talk | contribs) blocked Purkunna (Talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: Jobxavier.) . I request you to not to continue your POV pushing through scores of your socks again. I am really fed up. We have better business in wikipedia to do. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Raj encounter

On 1 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rahul Raj encounter, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, spank your wide buttocks - here comes the beer

Have a large and bubbly beer on me. Let the amber nectar flow all day and night. Let it run down the mountains and through the caverns and across the rich lawns to swamp the streets. Let it rain beer. Let the heavens open and shine forth beer. Let it all be beer. Wonderful beer. And let it be as deep as the heart of a lion. This is an acknowledgment of your participation in the RfA of: SilkTork *YES!. 19:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my RfA

I just wanted to take a moment to say "thank you" for taking the time and effort to participate in my recent RfA. As you may know, the discussion closed 66/0/1 and I'm now a holder of the mop. I will keep working to improve the encyclopedia and appreciate the trust which you have placed in me. - Dravecky (talk) 00:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films November 2008 Newsletter

The November 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. My apologies for the late delivery, and thanks go to both Wildroot and Erik for writing the newsletter. Remember that anyone can edit the newsletter, so feel free to help out! Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your message on my talk page! While I am currently based out of Bangalore, I'd be moving out pretty soon. Saw your response on WT:INB as well on Sunil R Nair article. I too felt that it should be deleted but am not sure which way to go about. Drop in a line if you AFD it. TIA. --Gurubrahma (talk) 13:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello!!

Hello Tinu,

I am a resident of Chandanapally. The article posted as 'Chandanapally', is not inappropriate! If you check the history of that article, you can see that we created it in 2006. Unfortunately, we didn't have any more informations/photos regarding the church for such a long time. Last month when we had been to India, we could take some snaps and will update it in the article as soon as possible.

Our aim is to make a true exposure to the 'Chandanapally Valiyapally's fame. We saw your article 'St. George Orthodox church' and we appreciate the great effort what you have done. We have taken some detail from your article and posted it in our 'Chandanapally Valiyapally' article. We have also referenced it in our article!

Please understand that we are not posting any inappropriate contents in it, but making 'Chandanapally' searchable in the internet!So I would request you not to revert or redirect to any other articles as we are going to include some more details and snaps.

Thank you very much for your patience and understanding.

-Anitta Jijo

Hindu Taliban

Hi Tinu, I saw your message on User Talk: Vivin's talk page. I totally agree with you. --Singh6 (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)