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History of Portugal (1777–1834)

Review commentary

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portugal, User:Joaopais, User:AndyZ, and User:Cherry blossom tree.

A 2006 FA, not meeting current FA criteria. Poorly written Lead (2a), Lack of Inline citations (1c). KensplanetTC 15:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Though surely public domain, File:MariaIPortugal.jpg, File:Miguel of Portugal.jpg, File:Andremassena1.jpg, and File:Duque da Terceira.jpg are missing sources/authors. File:Duke of Wellington 2.jpg is missing a source.

The license of File:Lines of Torres Vedras.jpg (I release it to the public domain) does not match the original upload log (Free image made by the municipality of Torres Vedras (source: http://www.cm-tvedras.pt/monumentos/imagens/linhas_copy.jpg)).

Just on an aesthetic note, there seem to be a lot of images of very similar men wearing very similar uniforms and very similar decorations in very similar poses. Do they really add anything to the understanding of the subject matter? Shouldn't images be more varied? DrKiernan (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, lead, copyrights. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 02:33, 6 July 2009 [2].

Sikkim

Review commentary

Notified Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, User talk:Nichalp, User talk:Sundar and User talk:Kintetsubuffalo.

This is an article promoted back in February 2005. It currently fails criterion 1(c), as a number of paragraphs remain entirely unsourced throughout the article. Some examples include the entire "Media" section, the first paragraphs of the "History", "Geology" and "Climate" sections, and most of the "Flora and fauna" section. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 20:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tashiding.jpg does not have a license. The gallery does not appear to add any new information. DrKiernan (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is also done. Hometech (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, copyrights. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 04:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can this FARC be put on hold? I 'm on a holiday from tomorrow onwards. Hometech (talk) 07:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist, 1c issues, note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. Majority of the sources are "Government of Sikkim", etc. Best instead to draw material from secondary sources independent of the article's subject. This sources deficit is also suggestive of possible overarching POV issues. Cirt (talk) 01:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As far as possible I've replaced govt sources. Besides, I'm helpless coz hardly anyone knows how a state in the corner of India is booming - Secondary source coverage on most statistics of sikkim is outdated. If you find anything secondary and worthwhile, tell the WikiProject India noticeboard or wait till I return on 5 July. Hometech (talk) 20:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is a significant detraction from the article's quality that should have been addressed long ago. Cirt (talk) 05:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From when are Government sources being considered as low-quality sources? Do you have a ref for this?--GDibyendu (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not necessarily that they are "low-quality", but certainly not of a high enough quality to be used so overwhelmingly in a WP:FA, over and above usage of secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 02:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree with Cirt's Oppose. As per Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches, Website section, Government sites connected to the field may be reliable. I agree secondary sources are better. But there are many cases, where the subject is not so popular, and secondary sources are not available. Rather than relying on outdated information from Secondary sources, it's better to have updated information from sources connected with the field. To build a comprehensive and updated article on Sikkim, "Government of Sikkim" sources have to be used. They may not be of very high quality, bur certainly are not of low quality. If 3 people are disagreeing with Cirt's Oppose, then I think Cirt needs to reconsider his decision. KensplanetTC 15:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, out of 80, I find only 14 Govt. Sources. How does it become a majority? Govt. sources have to be used for statistics KensplanetTC 15:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 01:59, 3 July 2009 [3].

Kammerlader

Review commentary

Notification of relevant parties: Nominator and main contributor User:WegianWarrior, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Firearms, WikiProject Norway all complete.

1(c) - currently no inline citations, which makes it harder to verify. [Background:It was promoted 4 years ago and has not been reviewed since.] Tom B (talk) 16:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about File:Kammerlader 1.jpg. Don't we need license information for each of the images? Otherwise, it's just like taking a picture of a picture in a gallery. Surely it isn't gfdl if the original picture hanging in the gallery is still under copyright. DrKiernan (talk) 10:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are zero citations, reliable sources, layout. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. FAQ? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 06:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 01:59, 3 July 2009 [4].

Doctor Who

Review commentary

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British TV shows, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject BBC, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Media franchises, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cardiff, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales, User talk:Khaosworks, User talk:Rodhullandemu, User talk:Josiah Rowe, User talk:Angmering, User talk:Ckatz, User talk:Alientraveller.

FA from 2004, referencing/1c issues throughout, need to be addressed. Article utilizes 10 images and 1 media file, this could use review for appropriate fair-use rationale check (and to check for possible overusage of claimed fair-use images) and individual image review check of the other images and media. Not sure there is a satisfactory amount of material in the article on Critical reception and commentary, as opposed to a recanting of in-universe material and plot summary of various characters and internal show-history. Cirt (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, images. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. FAQ? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 06:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 01:59, 3 July 2009 [5].

Review commentary

Notified: Wikiproject Video games, Wikiproject Video games Nintendo task force

I know this won't be popular, but this article has numerous persistent issues. Article is failing the following criteria: 1a, 1b, 2b, 2c, 3, 4.

  • Several sections of the article are either unsourced or have {{fact}} tags strewn about.
  • The prose is handled as if Link in an in-universe style for several of the paragraphs. In addition more than a few of these could do with summarization.
  • The character development needs a copy edit, and is very hard to follow.
  • The article itself is hard to follow in several areas, and might do with a restructuring condensing the video game appearances and appearances in other media into more well defined parts.
  • The three successive images of Link outside of the infobox do not contribute much to the understanding of the character.
  • Reception seems extremely small for a character with such impact, no mention of merchandising or other formats.

As it stands, this article feels more C-class quality than FA, and really needs a major overhaul.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please list the completed notifications at the top of this page. Thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The images do illustrate the changing style of the artwork. DrKiernan (talk) 16:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist – it does not even meet the Good article criteria. There are too much unsourced information, there are numerous prose/MoS issues such as one-sentence paragraphs, and the non-free images do not show they aid readers in understanding the article (that is, I contest that they could be removed without affecting how readers understand Link). The lead section is also too short for an article this size (should be at least three full paragraphs per WP:LEAD as this article is well over 30K characters of prose), and the content is riddled with words to avoid and peacock terms. Finally, as Kung Fu Man noted above, the prose sorely runs awry in regards to writing about fiction and provides little or no outside perspective. MuZemike 19:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would delist this as current... the entire thing needs to be streamlined to remove poorly constructed paragraphs that read off like laundry lists with sad and lonesome one-sentence lines. The images of Link do nothing to meet WP:NFCC as they are all illustrations and not emblematic of his actual appearance in the games. Much of the out of universe information is WP:OR or uncited, and the reception/impact section is pitiful. No way this meets comprehensive coverage. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have removed every single image save for the infobox one (File:TLOZ Phantom Hourglass Link.jpg. I think a case could be made for having one of the more common depictions as the infobox image, with the 'toon presentation later in the article, but that would require critical information on reaction to the article style, et al be added (I think the GameTrailers retrospective on the series mentioned some of that.) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, prose, original research, MOS copyrights. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was removed by YellowAssessmentMonkey 01:59, 3 July 2009 [6].

Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Review commentary

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lithuania, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Former countries, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Belarus, User talk:Piotrus.

FA from 2004, referencing/1c issues throughout - though not as many as your typical unreviewed FA from 2004, so hopefully this should not be that difficult to address. The article uses a very large number of images (37 in total) - these could use an image review. Cirt (talk) 06:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, well maybe in the interim you could do some minor/light work on it. Cirt (talk) 07:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I object to the use of Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski as a reference in anything outside his professional field (engineering, altho his work as a lexicologist was well-received), cited here three or four times (refs 81 and 82). He is described as a politically motivated amateur by Piotr Wrobel in a piece published by Rice University [7], as a conspiratologist in an article published by CESNUR [8], and as a leading and disturbing representative of ethnonationalist historiography in this book [9]. I invite reviewers to read at least the first few paragraphs of this piece Pogonowski posted on his website [10] and draw their own conclusions. This was briefly discussed at Reliable Sources [11] tho no real conclusion was reached.

He's used in this article to support population figures and ethnic breakdowns thereof; at least one source, from Yale University Press, disagrees with his stat for Commonwealth population after the Union of Lublin - currently the article, sourced to Iwo, gives 7 million, where the Yale book gives "nearly 10 million". [12]

On another note. Some copyvio: " Most of the masters arrived from the major cities of Western Europe such as Nuremberg, Augsburg and Amsterdam. The brought with them new shapes and objects. But as they entered into the local milieu and took up the conditions of their new lives, local customs and traditions, these masters created new works that were different from those of their western brethren" and "Aside from expensive presentation items, the silversmiths also produced utilitarian items for a broader clientele. Among these were tankards..." verbatim from [13], added 2009. [14] Wayback machine dates the Hermitage's version to 2004 [15] Given this and the existence of copyvios in other articles from this era [16], [17], I think it needs a going-over. Novickas (talk) 17:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pogonowski, or rather his maps are only used for uncontroversial population numbers. Numbrers in historical demographics vary widely, we can include other estimates but I see no reason to remove his. Regarding the copyvio, please notify the editor who added it, Martim33. He has been adding a lot of content to the article and I didn't have time to review it; if his edits are copyviod, we should be easily able to revert them in batch. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've left messages about the copyvio problems (at least 10) at the article talk page and at the three country project boards. Novickas (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the copyvios have been addressed - no, it was not easy. Back to Pogonowski as a source.
It looks as tho dubious sources are not accepted in FAs. The argument presented by P., that the source is used for uncontroversial statistics - he and I have tangled on that before, so other opinions welcomed. I would strongly prefer that we not use any questionable sources in an FA. Or anywhere else on WP. If his numbers are uncontroversial, they could be found elsewhere. In the last few days, an editor has removed criticism from the Pogonowski article stating BLP concerns. If those are justfied, they should be removed here too, eh? He also writes for Radio Maryja [18] and its print version, Nasz Dziennik. [19]Novickas (talk) 21:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC) Novickas (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The galleries are unnecessary and may be removed. Too many images on one page can restrict access to the article for readers on slow connections or using older computers. I suggest limiting the number of images to only those that are informative or illustrative. So, show just one coin rather than three, and one example of typical architecture, etc.

Though no-one could doubt the PD-Art licensing tags of the paintings, ideally the original sources should be given. Similarly, it is not entirely clear who created File:Europe map 1648.PNG and File:RegiaCivitatisGedanensis.jpg. Presumably the uploaders, but this does not appear to be explicitly stated anywhere. DrKiernan (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting sourcing issue has now arisen - see thread at [20]. Evidence strongly suggests that a source currently being used as a ref in this article contains material copied verbatim or near-verbatim from here. Novickas (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern are citations, copyright, POV. Also note the recent change to WP:WIAFA (1c) requiring "high-quality" sources. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the copy vios have been fixed - either rewritten or removed.radek (talk) 05:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #25 [22], used eight times here, copied material verbatim or close to verbatim from this and two other WP articles without crediting them. The copied sentences, rewritten slightly in some cases, are now ref'd to the paper. See [23] Novickas (talk) 14:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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