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:b) It's too much detail for this article, in any event. There's a whole sub-article on Genetic studies on Jews, where material this detailed might be appropriate, but this article is just a summary/overview article, so we can't have [[WP:UNDUE|a disproportionate amount of text]] devoted to the genetics of a specific hapologroup in a specific sub-group of Jewish women. |
:b) It's too much detail for this article, in any event. There's a whole sub-article on Genetic studies on Jews, where material this detailed might be appropriate, but this article is just a summary/overview article, so we can't have [[WP:UNDUE|a disproportionate amount of text]] devoted to the genetics of a specific hapologroup in a specific sub-group of Jewish women. |
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But, as a Jew (or non jew?!), it is very interesting to read where the dna derives from! Thats the point with these genetic studies, to se where and when these haplogroups occurred/arose! Or where they exists today, to understand migrations. |
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Thats why the information about other continents/countries/places is important. |
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[[Special:Contributions/81.226.72.14|81.226.72.14]] ([[User talk:81.226.72.14|talk]]) 21:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Origin of the name Jew, Judah, or Yehuda
I believe that there definitely should be a mention that the name Yehuda, the base word for the Jewish people and there respective religion is derived from the two Ancient Hebrew words Yah, a shortened form of the name of G-d, and the Hebrew word Hud which means to follow, worship, or praise. together the words mean "to worship/praise Yah" or "the worship/praising of Yah". This can be confirmed in the Wikipedia article Judah (Bible) where it correctly states that the name means "to praise G-d". Also the biblical name for Judaism, ha-Dër′ëkh (the way), may also be mentioned.
2004 census in Argentina
According to 2004 Census in Argentina there are 244000 jews in Buenos Aires and an overall estimated 280000-300000 in the whole country. Please visit at least this page: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=710563 and correct wrong figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.82.55.36 (talk) 16:33, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
If Jew is an ethnicity?
What are black Jews? 97.118.33.205 (talk) 17:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- Black and Jewish. —chaos5023 (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
- 97.118.33.205 — I would say this inquiry would best be placed on the Humanities reference desk. Bus stop (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Infobox
Why is Israel centered in the infobox, and all the other countries justified? Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 04:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- It seems to be for the same reason Nigeria is centered on Yoruba people. The centered country is either the state of the nation (nation here signifying a group of people sharing aspects of language, culture and/or ethnicity) or the state with the highest population. Please direct further questions concerning the Infobox to Template talk:Infobox Jews. Intelligentsium 22:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Jews in Israel
as of april 2010 there are 5,726,000 jews in israel.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3878214,00.html -its towards the end of the article--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 03:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- The number in the article (a) matches the number in the infobox and (b) comes from the same source as most of the other countries' Jewish populations. This makes cross-country comparisons meaningful. Ynet doesn't say where its estimate comes from. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- The number is from the ICBS www.cbs.gov.il. The Jewish population of Israel is growing by around 100,000 a year so the figure has to be updated to the last one. Benjil (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I have been pushing for somebody to update the figures. Ive provided plenty of credible more updated data on the jewish population yet nothing has been done. In this case I think there is no debate that the CBS is a very reliable source. --Gwax23 (talk) 00:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Images in the Infobox
The infobox has the images of some remarkable Jews, but not really a number that does them credit. I suggest including the all-time favourites: Freud (psychoanalysis), Marx (Communism) and Haber (the Haber process keeps 1 third of the world's population alive) - all Jews, all brilliant men --Earthprophet (talk) 19:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- The question has been discussed many times, both here and at Template talk:Infobox Jews. You can search the archives for the various discussions, but the short version is that the current montage achieves gender balance and balance between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
- Having said that, consensus can change, and you are welcome to start a new discussion about changing the montage. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
MtDNA
I want to expand the mtDNA section! There are a lot of exciting research in that area! And because the Jewish mtDNA haplogroups coincides with the Europeans, it need to expand! —Preceding unsigned comment added by CantorFriedman (talk • contribs) 08:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC) CantorFriedman (talk) 12:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've removed this material:
In Europe a high level of haplogroup K is found in the Morbihan (17.5%) and Périgord-Limousin (15.3%) regions of France, and in Norway and Bulgaria (13.3%).[1] The level is 12.5% in Belgium, 11% in Georgia and 10% in Austria and Great Britain. [2]
- It suffers from two problems:
- a) The studies quoted here don't actually mention Jews, as far as I can tell (please correct me if I'm wrong). In order to avoid WP:NOR, one must use sources that actually discuss the topic of this article which is Jews, not haplogroup K.
- b) It's too much detail for this article, in any event. There's a whole sub-article on Genetic studies on Jews, where material this detailed might be appropriate, but this article is just a summary/overview article, so we can't have a disproportionate amount of text devoted to the genetics of a specific hapologroup in a specific sub-group of Jewish women.
- --Jayjg (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
But, as a Jew (or non jew?!), it is very interesting to read where the dna derives from! Thats the point with these genetic studies, to se where and when these haplogroups occurred/arose! Or where they exists today, to understand migrations. Thats why the information about other continents/countries/places is important. 81.226.72.14 (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
- ^ Vincent Dubut et al., mtDNA polymorphisms in five French groups: importance of regional sampling, European Journal of Human Genetics vol. 12 (2004), pp. 293–300.
- ^ Lucia Simoni, Francesc Calafell, Davide Pettener, Jaume Bertranpetit, and Guido Barbujani, Geographic Patterns of mtDNA Diversity in Europe, American Journal of Human Genetics, vol. 66 (2000), pp. 262–278.
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