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Well, we never really finished with the language thing but its not important either. I actually wanted to ask for your help, as a knowledgeable Georgian... is there anywhere where I can find an English translation of Mroveli's works? Because it just felt funny to me, to keep referring to them through other books, so I was wondering...--[[User:Yalens|Yalens]] ([[User talk:Yalens|talk]]) 19:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
Well, we never really finished with the language thing but its not important either. I actually wanted to ask for your help, as a knowledgeable Georgian... is there anywhere where I can find an English translation of Mroveli's works? Because it just felt funny to me, to keep referring to them through other books, so I was wondering...--[[User:Yalens|Yalens]] ([[User talk:Yalens|talk]]) 19:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Thanks for expanding; if you could add more content we could T:TDYK the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's good enough for the DYK: Template_talk:Did_you_know#Nanuli_Shevardnadze. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Please note there are questions waiting at the DYK nomination page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Ossetia
გამარჯობა Kober. არ ვიცი, ვარღვევ თუ არა ამით წესებს, ქართულად რომ გწერ, მაგრამ ინგლისურად წერაზე საკმაოდ დიდი დრო მეკარგება. პირველ რიგში მინდა აღვნიშნო, რომ ეს "1922" სტატიაში Ossetia თვალში მხვდება. იცი, მე კარგად ვერ ვერკვევი ვიკიპედიის წესებში, პროცედურებში და ა.შ., მაგრამ ერთხელ ცანგალამ ამიხსნა, რომ სადავო პუნქტების გარკვევა ადმინისტრაციასთან შეიძლება. მაინტერესებს, დიდ დროსა და ენერგიას ხომ არ დაგაკარგვინებს, ეს საკითხი ადმინისტრაციასთან რომ გაირკვეს? მე უბრალოდ ჩემი ინგლისურით ვერ შევძლებ ამას, სამწუხაროდ. ამასთან, არის საკითხები, სადაც ნეიტრალურობას ვერ ვინარჩუნებ ხოლმე. თან ვფიქრობ, შენი განათლება ისტორიასთან უნდა იყოს ახლოს. მერე თავად სტატია Ossetia: მაინტერესებს რამდენად გამართლებულია ასეთი სათაურით სტატიის არსებობა? Ossetia ხომ არც გეოგრაფიული და არც პოლიტიკური სახელწოდება არ არის. (ასე ხომ მაგალითად, "სომხეთი" კონტინენტზეც ვერ დაეტევა). ეთნოლინგვისტური რეგიონი კი ლოგიკურად შეიძლება მიეკუთვნოს სტატიას Ossetians. ეს საკითხიც ადმინისტრაციასთან გასარკვევი ხომ არ არის?
PS. კიდევ ერთხელი დიდი მადლობა შენი დაუღალავი წვლილისათვის. --Serafita (talk) 11:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Georgian alphabet
Please, don't remove reliable sources (WP:RS).
Wikipedia articles[1] should rely primarily on reliable, third-party, published sources (although reliable self-published sources are allowable in some situations - see below). Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand.
Divot (talk) 08:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kober, this guy is doing the same business in Ru wiki. I'll try to stop him writing nonsenses there, & you please look after him here.Regards, --George Mel (talk) 10:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
You might find the wording Offy decided to use in that article very peculiar. Colchicum (talk) 10:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --KoberTalk 13:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Name of Georgia
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 08:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
about Colchis
104. Ведь колхи, по-видимому, египтяне: я это понял сам еще прежде, чем услышал от других. Заинтересовавшись этим, я стал расспрашивать [об этом родстве] как в Колхиде, так и в Египте. Колхи сохранили более ясные воспоминания о египтянах, чем египтяне о колхах. Впрочем, египтяне говорили мне, что, по их мнению, колхи ведут свое происхождение от воинов Сесострисова войска. Сам я пришел к такому же выводу, потому что они темнокожие, с курчавыми волосами. Впрочем, это еще ничего не доказывает. Ведь есть и другие народы такого же вида. Гораздо более зато основательны следующие доводы. Только три народа на земле искони подвергают себя обрезанию: колхи, египтяне и эфиопы. Финикияне же и сирийцы, что в Палестине, сами признают, что заимствовали этот обычай у египтян. А сирийцы, живущие на реках Фермодонте113 и Парфении, и их соседи-макроны говорят, что лишь недавно переняли обрезание у египтян. Это ведь единственные народы, совершающие обрезание, и все они, очевидно, подражают этому обычаю египтян. Что до самих египтян и эфиопов, то я не могу сказать, кто из них и у кого заимствовал этот обычай. Ведь он, очевидно, очень древний. А то что [финикияне и сирийцы] переняли этот обычай вследствие торговых сношений с Египтом, этому есть вот какое важное доказательство. Все финикияне, которые общаются с Элладой, уже больше не подражают египтянам н не обрезают своих детей.
105. Назову еще одну черту сходства колхов с египтянами. Только они одни да египтяне изготовляют полотно одинаковым способом. Так же и весь образ жизни, и язык у них похожи. У эллинов, правда, колхидское полотно называется сардонским, а привозимое из Египта – египетским.
--George Mel (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
A dubious map
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Please refrain from placing 1 map. It looks more dubious than the second one. I'm going to remove both maps. Taamu (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Check several other Common maps then. First of all we shoud not refer to Wikipedia. 2) The reference [1] shows Alania in 12-15 centuries. As for this [2], it doesn't show the boarders of Alania. Can you please provide me a reference that would show exactly the same boarders of Alania (11-12 centuties) as on this map.
- Huh. (1) Where do you see me referring to Wikipedia? (2) Yes, it does. So what? (3) Alania's borders cannot be shown with precision on any map. Most of what we know of that country comes fom the medieval Byzantine and Georgian sources, neither of which specify Alania's borders, but do not certainly afford to it a large portion of Georgia such on that user-made map you find "less dubious" than those based on published sources. Moreover, one cannot speak of Alania as a centralized political entity with strictly defined borders or government. --KoberTalk 11:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- 1) You told me to check Wikimedia commons. 2) 12-15 is not 11-12 centuries. 3) Alania's borders cannot be shown with precision on any map. Huh... But your map has clear borders. So, if you do not have a source that would show exactly the same boarders, then I will have to remove this map from Alania related articles. Taamu (talk) 11:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Huh. (1) Where do you see me referring to Wikipedia? (2) Yes, it does. So what? (3) Alania's borders cannot be shown with precision on any map. Most of what we know of that country comes fom the medieval Byzantine and Georgian sources, neither of which specify Alania's borders, but do not certainly afford to it a large portion of Georgia such on that user-made map you find "less dubious" than those based on published sources. Moreover, one cannot speak of Alania as a centralized political entity with strictly defined borders or government. --KoberTalk 11:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've listed the file for deletion here. --Martintg (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
გამარჯობათ კობერ, მაინტერესებს ამ სურათზე ლევან II დადიანის რომელი ცოლია გამოსახული?--Lika2672 (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Editing survey
Hi Kober. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic current events articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the archives at 2008 South Ossetia war that you have have been a key contributor to the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below. An explanation of my project is included with the survey.
Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=kLMxj8dkk_2bls7yCBmNV7bg_3d_3d
Thanks and best regards,
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For updating 2009 Georgian demonstrations the past months! Otherwise the world would still think there demonstrating... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC) |
SPI FYI
Not sure if the evidence is sufficient, but I've created a sockpuppet investigation for the Saakashvili 3RR. tedder (talk) 22:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Socks
FYI, this one claims he's not the same person as NewSeeker. Enigmamsg 00:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- They usually make that claim.. Here's one of my favorites. tedder (talk) 01:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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- File:Nino Ananiashvili.jpg is now available as Commons:File:Nino Ananiashvili.jpg. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kober, maybe either this file, or [3] link might be useful.--George Mel (talk) 06:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Vandalism
Regarding your comment that "explained vandalism is still vandalism". This false and your persistent accusations are uncivil. You are not assuming good faith and you're making up a poor excuse to revert a change that you don't like. He explained why he felt the edit was necessary both in the edit summary and in talk, in great detail I might add. That can be considered nothing other than a good faith edit, even if you feel it was disruptive or ill advised. There is no malicious intent here.
Vandalism is a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.
"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not vandalism."
"Avoid the word "vandal". In particular, this word should not be used to refer to any contributor in good standing, or to any edits that might have been made in good faith. This is because if the edits were made in good faith, they are not vandalism. Instead of calling the person who made the edits a "vandal", discuss your concerns with them. Comment on the content and substance of the edits, instead of making personal comments."
Please do not accuse people of vandalizing simply because you disagree with their edits. This is disruptive and counterproductive. And as a final word, if you truly and honestly do believe the edit was vandalism, then I challenge you to report it and see what the admins have to say. If you don't, I'll consider that your admission of being wrong, and I would strongly suggest you revert yourself and further discuss the dispute on the talk page. LokiiT (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't remember to have ever asked of you to tutor mee. Removal of well-sourced information regarding the official position of one of the combatant sides is vandalism even if you feel your buddy acted in good faith. Btw, tradition of throwing accusations of vandalism around comes from your buddy. I'm not going to rever myself, and I would strongly suggest you discuss your grievances on the article's talk page, not here. --KoberTalk 14:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't remember being asked to tutor you either, so I won't try. I'm only trying to inform you. Regarding the content, I agree with its removal. A government making unsubstantiated accusations at a country they're at war with may be "official", but it's unimportant for an article about a weapon. The type of missile used in this alleged attack is of no importance, and the fact that they even mentioned the Iskander specifically points to obvious political motivations in the accusations (ie. your're using your shiny new hi-tech weapon to destroy civilian infrastructure, shame on you!) This sort of political bickering has no place in the article in my opinion. There are specific articles and sections to put government propaganda. Therefore I've removed the content again, and I ask that you please refrain from edit warring any further and discuss it on the talk page. Thanks. LokiiT (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- I have already asked you to post your comments regarding this topic on that article's talk page, not here. It is you who needs to stop edit warring and discuss your grivances on the talk page.--KoberTalk 15:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- Excuse me, edit warring? That was the first revert I made in four days. Both you and HistoricWarrior on the other hand could probably be blocked for edit warring at this point. Please do not make unfounded accusations at me. LokiiT (talk) 15:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- I have already asked you to post your comments regarding this topic on that article's talk page, not here. It is you who needs to stop edit warring and discuss your grivances on the talk page.--KoberTalk 15:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't remember being asked to tutor you either, so I won't try. I'm only trying to inform you. Regarding the content, I agree with its removal. A government making unsubstantiated accusations at a country they're at war with may be "official", but it's unimportant for an article about a weapon. The type of missile used in this alleged attack is of no importance, and the fact that they even mentioned the Iskander specifically points to obvious political motivations in the accusations (ie. your're using your shiny new hi-tech weapon to destroy civilian infrastructure, shame on you!) This sort of political bickering has no place in the article in my opinion. There are specific articles and sections to put government propaganda. Therefore I've removed the content again, and I ask that you please refrain from edit warring any further and discuss it on the talk page. Thanks. LokiiT (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Districts
Hi Kober! I have a question about the districts of Georgia. It seems that ka-wiki uses the word მუნიციპალიტეტი for them, instead of რაიონი. Is this an official change (and would you have a source for it), or just ka-wiki policy of some sort? Should the Finnish pages use მუნიციპალიტეტი as well?
Also, now that I'm at it, I could make an article request: it would be awsome to have a good and properly sourced article on Egrisi in the future (I made a very confusing stub on fi-wiki a while back and it's been annoying me). Well, and Kolkhis as well. And... a million topics, but maybe this is enough :) --Epiq (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the info, and warm congratulations!! Please enjoy and take your time, there's no rush with the articles :) --Epiq (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Armenians in Georgia
Hi. Might I ask you to have a look at Armenians in Tbilisi and Armenians in Samtskhe-Javakheti? I don't even know that we need these when we have Armenians in Georgia, but phrases like "The Armenian history and contribution to the capital city of Tbilisi is very significant. The Armenian history and contribution to the city of Tbilisi is very significant" (yes, twice in succession) or "As we see, Armenians made overwhelming majority in Samtskhe-Jaavakhk, Turk-meskhets 1/4 and Georgians - obvious minority... So, becomes obvious, that the slightest attempt to return Turkic ethnic minority in edge will provocated a tension situation, first of all for the Georgian population, who occupied former turks-meskhetzs settlements" evidently do not belong in an encyclopedia. Thank you. - Biruitorul Talk 04:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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givi erti mieci hma opose tu gak dro [4] Iberieli (talk) 01:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Rtveli and Suleiman Pasha
Hello Kober, how are you? I have two questions:
1. In this artice (p.52) it says that Rtveli clebrated only in Kakheti. correct?
2. In the hebrew article about Suleiman Pasha (her), from the Caucasus, (with the sobriquet "al-Adil", or "The Just". Ruler of Acre, see Jezzar Pasha Mosque), it been mentioned that he is most likely from Georgia. Do you know about something it? he have no article her and only mentioned Suleiman Pasha (disambiguation). Geagea (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
please have a look at here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Georgians#It_is_about_Georgians_of_all_countries. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 19:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Georgian navy
Do you know if the Georgian navy has been merged with the coast guard yet? [5]. If yes, we need to do something about the article. Offliner (talk) 06:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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ოშკის სომხურობა
გამარჯობა, ქართულ ვიკიდან შენთან მომასწავლეს,პრობლემაა სტატია ოშკზე ინგლისურ ვიკიში. სამწუხაროდ,ინგლისური არ ვიცი და გთხოვ,იქნებ შეცვალო რამდენიმე ინფორმაცია...
Oshki (Georgian: ოშკი; Armenian: Օշկ Վանք, Oshk Vank', Oshk Monastery) is an Armeno-Georgian monastery
The construction of the monastery at Osk/Oshki was sponsored by the Georgian Kings Bagrat eristavt-eristavi (prince of princes) and David III Bagrationi Kuropalates and belonged to the Armenian Chalcedonians
დისკუსიის გვერდზე კი არის საუბარი,მაგრამ ვერაფერი გავიგე... წყაროები,რომლებიც დისკუსიის გვერდზეა მოყვანილი სომეხი ავტორებისგანაა,არაობიექტურია. --იბერია (talk) 16:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
ვარაზის ხევი
ფოტოს მოპოვების წყარო რომ მიუთითო სჯობს.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ტემპერა (talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Georgian appearance
Dear Kober, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georgians&diff=prev&oldid=327429688
regarding the above changes: First of all I think the pictures are enough to let people have an impression how Georgian look like. Secondly both Middle Eastern and European are vage terms. There are fair skinned Georgians and Olive skinned Georgians as there are Turks, Persians, Syrians, etc... But about slender: I have to say that anyone who has seen georgians, klnows that they are big people, very much different than slender Arabs for instance.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 10:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Kobers
rogor sheidzleba tqventan dakavshireba?! ra noomerze, raghac satxovari mqonda tqvens ert ert fotostan dakavshirebit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.43.166.3 (talk) 14:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Gamarjoba. emailit shegizliat. marcxena kutxeshi E-mail this user-is gamoyenebit. --KoberTalk 04:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Georgian manner of citation
Kober, I hope you are able to read this: «Страшную находку обнаружили местные жители в горах Абхазии на Черноморском побережье, там, где недавно шли бои с морским десантом, пытавшимся перерезать магистраль Очамчира — Сухуми... На дереве на проволоке висели куски человеческого тела... Установить национальность двух освежеванных людей так и не удалось — обезображенные трупы не имеют национальности.
Конец ХХ века ознаменовался появлением нового вида войн. И, пожалуй, национальные войны — самые беспощадные. Режут не только солдат. В тех же лесах в одной из деревушек нашли труп женщины. Она была беременна. Ее изнасиловали и выпотрошили» (Московский комсомолец, 1993, 29 июля, с. 3) — nothing about the ethnicity of the victims.
«Обстрелы Сухуми, пожалуй, — самое отвратительное во всей этой войне» (Московский комсомолец, 1993, 29 июля, с. 3) — nothing about Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_Abkhazia&diff=next&oldid=333322331 Apswaaa (talk) 01:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- Have you ever heard of any specific ethno-national types of citation or is this an influence of prejudices seeded by Putinomedia in Russia and the occupied territories of Georgia? --KoberTalk 05:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I prefer Saakashvilimedia :). I watch Rustavi 2 and read http://abkhazeti.info/. Apswaaa (talk) 11:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Really? Do you want to taste a polonium tea or what? :) --KoberTalk 11:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- This user is definitely a troll and probably a sock of some Russian user. I recommend to ignore him and report to administrators if he violates the rules of conduct. იმ ეთნო წმენდის სტატიას გადაეკიდნენ და უნდა შევასწოროდ იქ ბევრი წყარო და დავამატოთ. როცა დრო გექნება იქნებ მომეხმარო ამაში? es unda itargmnos da ik chaetseros [6] Iberieli (talk) 20:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
2010
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas! Alæxis¿question? 08:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
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DYK nomination
I nominated your article Alan Parastaev for DYK. Joe Chill (talk) 21:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi. Thanks for your nomination.--KoberTalk 05:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Number of Abkhaz in Turkey according to Chirikba
Certainly. His exact wording is
The biggest Abkhaz community is in Turkey, but the exact numbers there are not available (estimates range from 100,000 to 500,000).
I think that the exact numbers are hard to establish, but to me, 500,000 doesn't seem that implausible as an upper bound.sephia karta | di mi 21:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, Kober !
I am AlexandreIV. I am a contributor in the French Wikipedia and I am currently writing about the king Michael of Imereti (in French, Michel d'Iméréthie). I found a huge problem in identifying Michael's mother. I believe Vakhusht Bagrationi names a daughter of the emperor Michael VIII. On the other hand, the French byzantinologist Charles Lebeau changes her into an illegitimate daughter of the wife of the same emperor. In the Internet (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Royal Ark), there are many other theories, but you put Tamar Amanelisdze. I have no traces of her existence anywhere else. So what are your sources?
Respectfully, --97.66.128.162 (talk) 23:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
P.S. : if you wish to answer me, please do it here.
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The former resident of Ochamchire district, Leila Goletiani, who was taken prisoner by Abkhaz separatists, gave the following account of her captivity to the Russian film director Andrei Nekrasov:
I lived in Abkhazia 15 years ago, in the small town of Akhaldaba, Ochamchire district. Abkhaz attacked our village on September 16th, 1993. It was impossible to hide anywhere from the bullets which rained down on us…. The Russian Cossacks approached me and started to beat me. One of these Russian Cossacks approched me and asked me if I have ever had sex with the Cossack. He grabbed me and tried to rip off my close, after which I started to resist but they hit my head on the ground and started to beat me with AK47 butts. While hitting me all over my body, they yelled: We will kill you, but we will do so slowly. Then they took me to an Abkhaz school where they kept Georgian civilian prisoners. There were only Georgians there, women, children and men. There were some women who were pregnant, and children of different ages. The Battalion of Cossacks kept coming there regularly. They took young girls and children and raped them systematically. These were children aged 10, 12, 13, and 14. They especially targeted children. One of the girls there was 8 years old. She was taken by different groups of these Cossacks and was raped numerous times. I don’t know how she managed to survive after so many rapes but I don’t want to mention her name in order to protect her identity. They also took women but later they started to take elderly women. They raped these elderly women in the way which I don’t want to go into detail…it was horrific. [1]
- I just saw the video on Facebook. What a coincidence... Anyways, thanks for your help with Michael of Imereti. I'm about to propose the French version as a Good Article. I think you're doing a great job on Wikipedia about Georgia. :))) --97.66.128.162 (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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- I find no evidence that photographs published by the Georgian government, or by the Georgian church, are "public domain" automatically, as you seemed to claim on a number of image pages. There doesn't seem to be anything like "PD-USGov" in Georgia. According to Georgian copyright law [7], unless I'm missing something, only "official documents (laws, decisions of courts, other texts of administrative and normative character)" are exempted from copyright; this doesn't include photographs included on websites.
- Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Alan Parastaev
The DYK Project (nominate) 06:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
ვიკი[ედია ოხერი
გამარჯობა მეგობარო,
ახლა ვნახე არტ-გენზე შენი თემა, და იქვე გეწერა ისიც რომ შენი დრო ინგლისურ ვიკიპედიას მიაქვს.
ახლა ჩემს მეგობრებთან ერთად ქართული და არა მარტო ქართული ფოლკლორის ვიკის მაგვარს ვაკეთებთ, სადაც გვჭირდება მოხალისეები და თუ სურვილი გექნება იქნება შემოგვიერთდე.
მაგრამ ჯერ ჩვენ დავიწყებთ, ქართულს რომ შევავსებთ რაღაც დონეზე და მეც გავიწაფები, იქნება შემოგვიერთდე, რადგან თარგმნები გვიჭირს ხომ იცი..
იხარე და ველი შენს გამოხმაურებას,
ღმერთს ებარებოდე,
ბექა გონაშვილი —Preceding unsigned comment added by CHAKRULO (talk • contribs) 11:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- დიდი სიამოვნებით. იქნებ მისამართი მითხრა საიტის? --KoberTalk 15:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Support-
this is waiting your support :) laz wikipedia [[8]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dacxiri (talk • contribs) 09:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Despite our political views being close to contrary perhaps we have one thing in common: WP:METRO project. It is nearly inactive so it is up to us to revive it. I have skimmed through some articles about Tbilisi Metro and, to be honest, they are very undeveloped being stubs or start-class articles. Moscow Metro articles are a bit bitter but still start-class. As you are very active at English Wikipedia it would be superb if you maintained articles about Tbilisi Metro while I am trying to improve articles about Moscow Metro. SkyBonTalk/Contributions 18:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, Kober - a little interesting picture for you :)--Gaeser (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello Kober, I'm kind of beck in action.
1. You may find it interesting geting this into the article about Patriarch Kyrion II of Georgia:
"The consecration of Kyrion II. was attended by representatives from Britain, France, Italy ... ect"
it from her.
2. This site gives is new details about kyrion. about the claim that he was involvd of murdering Nikon ect...
Geagea (talk) 23:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Tskhinvali
Hello, Kober !
It's AlexandreIV, again. Thanks to your help, the French version of Michael of Imereti became a Good Article, so I want to thank you once again.
My newest work is about Tskhinvali. I am actually working hard on it, because of some contributors who are trying to convince me that the city has always been Ossetian historically. But I won' bother you with the details. My reason to contact you again is because of an information that you have put in the English version of the article. You said that in 1910, there were 11% of Ossetians in Tskhinvali. However, I can't find any 1910 census in any of my sources and the other contributors are now asking me to source what I translated from you. Can you help me?
Respectfully, --97.66.128.162 (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. : if you wish to answer me, please do it here.
- Thanks for these important sources and the map that'll be very important for the article. But I'm still looking for the 1910 census. Is there any, or is it just an approximation? (And by the way, one of my opponents is, indeed, Uzbek, and the other one, I believe, Belarussian. Hense their opposition.) --AlexandreIV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.66.128.162 (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Russian Vandalism
Dear Mr Kober, ones again Russian nationalist element on Wiki are vandalizing Georgia related articles. This time it is the main article on the country [9] This use blatantly removed the image of a girl because it does not suit his nationalist Russian POV. He floods the discussion section with suggestions to include details from the war (its redundant because the details are already outlines in so called "South Ossetia" was article) and include "Ossetian posters" in the Georgia article. I have restored only one image of a girl in that section and did not restore the other photo. I left his two photos of Condy and burned out Georgian tank as a compromise. But im sure he will continue attacks on the article. Therefore, we need to address this issue to administrators who will take action and limit his vandalism. Thanks a lot and sorry for taking your time. Iberieli (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- p.s Kober should we start article on Rezo Gabashvili? [10]Iberieli (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
სომხური ვაკე და სოლოლაკი???
გამარჯობა Kober, გთხოვ ჩემს განხილვის გვერდზე წაიკითხო ქვეთავი სომხური ვაკე და სოლოლაკი???, რომელიც ეხება სტატიას Avlabari--Zangala (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Soviet caucasus1922.png
Pleas pay attention to Talk:Socialist Soviet Republic of Abkhazia. User make a map "Soviet caucasus1922.png" with Trialeti Ossetia as official part of Georgia. He put the photo in a lot of languages. Geagea (talk) 19:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- givi erti aq shemodi [11] Iberieli (talk) 04:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- givi im somehma tsaleka History of Georgia (country), roca dro gekneba gadahede edit omebs. Iberieli (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
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Offer
So what about having talk via email?--Bouron (talk) 17:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- You can reach me through "E-mail this user" link on the left of this page. But I don't get why you need my email. If you have something to say regarding our dispute and Wikipedia content there is a talk page for that. --KoberTalk 18:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Email is more convenient for me because I often have to visit wikipedia with smartphone.--Bouron (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Title change of an article you created
Some random user has changed the title of this article you created. Can you please fix this. The original title is far more correct. God Bless you my Georgian brother. 130.17.92.58 (talk) 04:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar
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Georgian Barnstar of National Merit | |
I, BruTe, hereby award you the Georgian Barnstar of National Merit for your tireless contributions to Georgian related articles. Keep up your excellent work! –BruTe Talk 08:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC) |
О книге C. Toumanoff
Уважаемый Kober! Позвольте обратиться к Вам с вопросом: В своей статье Diasamidze в качестве источника информации Вы указали книгу [Toumanoff, Cyril (1967). Studies in Christian Caucasian History, p. 270. Georgetown University Press]. Не подскажите ли, можно ли где-нибудь с ней ознакомиться? Нет ли других работ по этому роду? Я интересуюсь историей этого рода и собираю, по мере возможности, всё, что о нём встречается. Заранее признателен за ответ. С уважением —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suhumeli (talk • contribs) 20:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
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გამიხარდა კობერ შენი გამოჩენა. :) –BruTe Talk 14:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- ეს „თავდადება“ ცოტა ხმამაღალი ნათქვამია...:) წარმატებები! –BruTe Talk 15:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Language of Abkhaz and Ossetes; I am not a Georgia-phobe, but this is an issue that needs to be addressed
Feh, after being a "Russophobe" for a long period (History of Chechnya, Caucasian Wars and various other pages had been completely made by Russian extremist nationalists who thought taht Caucasian people as a whole were "backwards bandits perpetually lacking civilization", and I fixed it up considerably), I am now a Georgia-phobe in your mind.
No, I do not dislike Georgia or fear it in anyway, and for your information, I believe firmly that Georgia has the moral high ground against the Russian puppet state in Tskhinvali. I don't think the Ossetes lack the right to self-determination (all peoples have that right, although the Ossetes seem to forget that the Ingush do as they killed them and forced them to leave East Prigorodny, a historical Ingush territory) but what they have basically done is helped Russia annex a chunk of land. That is not self-determination it is aiding Russian imperialism. Furthermore, there are other factors. Unlike Chechnya's conflict with Russia or things like that, South Ossetia was once inhabited mainly by Georgians (assimilated Dvals), or so most people think; I dont' want to take sides on that fact, but if South Ossetia wants "self-determination" it must be true self-determination (outside Russia). Alas, people will see that I posted this and will waste no time in labeling me a Russophobe. I am not a Russophobe (I am not an Ossetophobe either). As for people who may want to use Kober's talk page against me- If I said that if France wanted Algeria back, that would make it imperialist, that would make me a Francophobe in their minds apparently. I am not an anything -phobe for saying that Russia wanting lands that are not historically inhabited by Russians is imperialism, because there's no other correct way to say it. They were obtained by Russia as colonies at the time. In fact Russia acknowledged them as colonies itself, using the very word, at the time. That Russians following Alexander Dugin's logic have imperialist views is not an opinion, it is a fact, confirmed by Russia itself.
However, the issue of whether the Abkhaz and Ossetes actually speak Georgian is existent.
There's a common thing, nowadays, that on Wikipedia, political boundaries seem to equal language in the minds of editors. However, only if the people universally or almost universally speak a language, or if it is their historical language, is it their language. Thus, the languages of the Kists, for example, are Chechen and Georgian, because those are the languages that Kists have historically used and/or speak nowadays. The Abkhaz, however, do not speak Georgian universally, and far from it. I believe we both know this. With Russian being the lingua franga, the Abkhaz saw no point in teaching Georgian in school, and of course the schools were no doubt run ultimately from the central Tsarist and Soviet governments (i.e. Russian ones which wanted to advance Russification at the expense of all else). It is well-known, that nowadays, except for Abkhaz living outside Abkhazia (and maybe the ones in historically Mingrelian Eastern "Abkhazia"), they don't speak Georgian. I don't really know about the Ossetes perhaps they do, but I know pretty well that the Abkhaz don't. Perhaps they should, but they don't.
It really shouldn't be viewed as a political issue, and quite frankly I'd be fine with deleting off Russian and Turkish as well (and will do so with your permission), since they aren't historical languages of hte Abkhaz, and they dont' universally speak either (they speak Turkish in Turkey, and some of them speak Russian in Abkhazia). And besides... English is not the language of Danes, even though they all speak it now.
Just please don't label me an anything-phobe for expressing my opinions, which are based on facts (I must be a Russophobe if I state that Russia killed many children, even though I know- and we all know (Russians included)- that it did...). It gets very tiresome.--Yalens (talk) 17:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I am tired. Did you not say that in the edit summary? I will check. In any case, I am sorry to take up your time wiht my long blurb, it was completely unnecessary. It's my general viewpoint that language should be reserved for what is the language of the people- i.e., there are plenty of Germans living in the US who speak English, but that does not make English a language of the German people, for example. That's pretty much the line. --Yalens (talk) 19:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- That's not really what I meant. What I meant is that there are large numbers of Germans outside of Germany who speak English natively- as is the case with Abkhaz and Ossetes living outside of Abkhazia and South Ossetia (or North Ossetia, for that matter) and thus speak Georgian. But it is by no means the whole ethnic group. German Americans says English and German. But Germans says German. --Yalens (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Leonti Mroveli
Well, we never really finished with the language thing but its not important either. I actually wanted to ask for your help, as a knowledgeable Georgian... is there anywhere where I can find an English translation of Mroveli's works? Because it just felt funny to me, to keep referring to them through other books, so I was wondering...--Yalens (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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Timotheus Canens (talk) 07:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- ^ Andrei Nekrasov, Russian Lessons, Video File: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rewD7JxoUAM