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:If you show me even one example of incivility by kwami, I will notify him. Incivility means attributing bad motives to another editor or otherwise insulting another editor. It doesn't mean saying that an edit is wrong or doing things that another editor disagrees with. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496#top|talk]]) 03:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
:If you show me even one example of incivility by kwami, I will notify him. Incivility means attributing bad motives to another editor or otherwise insulting another editor. It doesn't mean saying that an edit is wrong or doing things that another editor disagrees with. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496#top|talk]]) 03:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Please include [[Talk:Serbo-Croatian]] on your watchlist in relation to this issue. Some of the heat from the [[Talk:Croatian language]] discussion has migrated there. --[[User:Taivo|Taivo]] ([[User talk:Taivo|talk]]) 03:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
::Please include [[Talk:Serbo-Croatian]] on your watchlist in relation to this issue. Some of the heat from the [[Talk:Croatian language]] discussion has migrated there. --[[User:Taivo|Taivo]] ([[User talk:Taivo|talk]]) 03:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::: All involved parties should be given a warning who participated, especially involved admins who were editing the blocked article even after the ban look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_language&action=historysubmit&diff=392190211&oldid=391983057 [[User:Vodomar|Vodomar]] ([[User talk:Vodomar|talk]]) 04:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Congratulations! (X! · talk) · @241 · 04:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. An excellent result. Anthony (talk) 05:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Congrats. Sorry I missed it. Hordaland (talk) 06:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Congrats :) —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 8:29pm • 09:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Huge congratulations from me too! Well-deserved. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Congrats :) —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 8:29pm • 09:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Congrats. Sorry I missed it. Hordaland (talk) 06:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the support! And now I'm off to "admin school"... Looie496 (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- I missed your RfA - it's so rare that someone I feel strongly about is up there that I don't watchlist the page. Anyhow, you're one of the exceptions. You will make an excellent admin - I'm sorry I missed the chance to support your candidacy, but it looks like the community recognized your merits without my 2 cents. Congratulations; enjoy the extra buttons, and try not to let it suck the enjoyment out of the site. Best of luck, keep up the good work, and just drop me a note if there's anything I can help with. MastCell Talk 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, that's great, Looie! Congratulations! :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Very well deserved, as everybody else said. Kansan (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, that's great, Looie! Congratulations! :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I missed your RfA - it's so rare that someone I feel strongly about is up there that I don't watchlist the page. Anyhow, you're one of the exceptions. You will make an excellent admin - I'm sorry I missed the chance to support your candidacy, but it looks like the community recognized your merits without my 2 cents. Congratulations; enjoy the extra buttons, and try not to let it suck the enjoyment out of the site. Best of luck, keep up the good work, and just drop me a note if there's anything I can help with. MastCell Talk 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the support! And now I'm off to "admin school"... Looie496 (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Question about "how does a magnet work" on the Misc desk
Again, congratulations on your Adminship, Looie! :)
May I ask you to comment on something, though, that has me a bit perplexed?
It's about this edit you made, "hiding" a question in apparent support of Roux. May I ask why you did that? It seems TOAT has also now blocked the RD visitor indefinitely. Please see my question to him concerning this at his talk page, which includes diffs as to this alleged trouble-maker's activities leading up to the block. Briefly, there was one instance of very mild vandalism, and then a very harsh warning by Roux, and then the block for some reason. Equally unclear to me is why you would want to "hide" a question about magnetism. Could you please explain to me the justification for that in this case? Was it just on Roux's say-so? Because... there was no "trolling" going on in that question, nor anything wrong with the responses, so it seems very curious to me why you would suggest that "we" listen to Roux about something and "hide" this quite valid question (as "non-serious" as the questioner may indeed have asked it, but nevertheless asked it in a perfectly acceptable way). Thanks! :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 06:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- As Roux tried to explain, there is a song by a group called Insane Clown Posse that contains the line "Fucking magnets, how do they work?", and some people seem to think it's cool to take that question to the Ref Desk -- in showed up in that exact form a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, I looked through all of that editor's contribs, and there was only one I saw that might not have been vandalism, and even that one I wasn't sure about. Looie496 (talk) 07:05, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Personally, I directed the OP to the Magnet article and hoped to leave it at that. But, look at the question and responses. Are we really to "close" a discussion about magnetism that was perfectly innocuously phrased (no foul language, direct and to the point) simply because the OP committed a very typical, entirely mild and "normal" act of vandalism on an unrelated article? Much less indefinitely block that user for that offense...?! (Though I know you didn't do the blocking). This seems quite unusual and unnecessary to me. I don't really mind your "boxing" it, though I honestly believe there may be some counterproductive over-reaction going on here. As it stands, with the user blocked, I suppose the question can simply be removed altogether on that ground alone. If the user gets unblocked, though, would you mind if I removed your "box" from the question? I just do not see the need, and am concerned about some of the "over-response" I've been seeing at the RD to this kind of thing lately. Thanks! WikiDao ☯ (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I would mind, actually. If this had simply been a question followed by "See magnet", I wouldn't have felt any need to do anything. The problem with this sort of thing is all the time-wasting back-and-forth it provokes. A user who posts something like this is basically laughing at the Wikipedia nerds who are too stupid to get the joke. The best response to something like that is to ignore it, but if it gets beyond the point of being ignorable, the second best response is to take decisive action. Your response would have been okay; Roux's response would have been okay; what is not okay is arguing about it, which amounts to feeding the trolls. Looie496 (talk) 16:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- A very fair and judicious answer, Looie. I agree. Thanks! :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I would mind, actually. If this had simply been a question followed by "See magnet", I wouldn't have felt any need to do anything. The problem with this sort of thing is all the time-wasting back-and-forth it provokes. A user who posts something like this is basically laughing at the Wikipedia nerds who are too stupid to get the joke. The best response to something like that is to ignore it, but if it gets beyond the point of being ignorable, the second best response is to take decisive action. Your response would have been okay; Roux's response would have been okay; what is not okay is arguing about it, which amounts to feeding the trolls. Looie496 (talk) 16:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Personally, I directed the OP to the Magnet article and hoped to leave it at that. But, look at the question and responses. Are we really to "close" a discussion about magnetism that was perfectly innocuously phrased (no foul language, direct and to the point) simply because the OP committed a very typical, entirely mild and "normal" act of vandalism on an unrelated article? Much less indefinitely block that user for that offense...?! (Though I know you didn't do the blocking). This seems quite unusual and unnecessary to me. I don't really mind your "boxing" it, though I honestly believe there may be some counterproductive over-reaction going on here. As it stands, with the user blocked, I suppose the question can simply be removed altogether on that ground alone. If the user gets unblocked, though, would you mind if I removed your "box" from the question? I just do not see the need, and am concerned about some of the "over-response" I've been seeing at the RD to this kind of thing lately. Thanks! WikiDao ☯ (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
John Coltrane protection
With all due respect, this has nothing to do with my "preferred version." If you will see the talk page discussion, you will see that this has been discussed, and the anon. user who has repeatedly removed the information has been at this for years. Page protection was requested to prevent his vandalism, not to preserve my notion of how the article should read. I have been at this long enough to know better than to make such a request. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Feel free to add that comment at RFPP. If you do, I'll add a comment saying that I'm not going to protect the page, but I don't object in any way if another admin feels protection is appropriate. Looie496 (talk) 03:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- I did as you suggested. Thank you. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Attempt at explaining
Quote: "Here's the deal. We've had enormous disruption caused by combative editing on articles related to The Troubles, from both sides. The only way to keep things under control has been to follow a zero tolerance policy, rigorously enforced. Your edit was combative, regardless of whether you think so, and reverting to put it back violated the letter of the policy. We've been down this road dozens of times, and there isn't going to be any argument about the issues: either follow the restrictions, or your IP address will be blocked. Looie496 (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)"
I feel your explanation was rather curt. Please explain to me how my edit was combative. I stated facts. I did not use any inflammatory language, I simply stated the truth.
One particular contributor, O'Fenian, has an obvious agenda and ensures that articles reflect his political ideologies and views on all things Irish. I myself am Irish and take issue with articles that portray Unionists as evil and omit relevant information regarding Irish events.
I have on a few occasions edited and he has immediately reversed them based on his opinions, not fact. An example of this is the Michael Stone article. I stated that mourners included known terrorists, this is fact. I stated names of individuals that have admitted to being members of the IRA. He does not believe the IRA are terrorists, this is his opinion, but surely anyone with a modicum of common sense would not object to this.
Let me again state my intention is not to cause any disruption, I simply want to add value and relevant information where it is missing.
GlorRev Cill Dara
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Username
Hello Looie496. I notice you hardblocked Al-RaShit (talk · contribs) for creating a grossly inappropriate username. Could you watch out for names like this where a) it could easily be a real name or a fan of the band, and b) there is no evidence it was created in bad faith. If in any doubt about the user's intentions of violating Wikipedia policy, which you usually can't tell from usernames containing profanity, please softblock or don't block. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Band? What band? I'm reasonably familiar with Arabic names, and I see no way that capital S was placed there in anything other than bad faith. For what it's worth, I placed the block before seeing the comment that had been added, and wasn't deliberately overriding another opinion. But in any case, thank you for the feedback, and I'll allow your comment to guide me in the future. Looie496 (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- What band? That is probably my main point. (Rashit). Even if it was an incredibly bad choice of name, there is no evidence at all that it was created in bad faith. FWIW I'm not aware of any comments, but noticed a couple of bad hardblocks in your blocking log. I tend to point these out to new admins, as it's a classic new admin mistake. Thanks for the consideration. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Okay. I think there are inevitably going to be discrepancies in how different admins handle things at UAA, because of differences in background knowledge -- what one sees as certainly bad faith may look innocuous to another, as for example I have no idea why "Mingebetty" would be problematic. But in any case, I'll try to recalibrate my threshold a bit. Looie496 (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I'm useless with usernames, and tend to avoid UAA. But I live in the UK and can point you towards the bottom item at minge to answer the "Mingebetty" question. TFOWR 19:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Lol, maybe it's just a British thing. Grossly inappropriate - yes; evidently bad faith - not necessarily. So it was hardblocked only after vandalising. That's an extreme one, but the majority of these types of usernames fall in this middle ground between bad faith and innocuous, where they can't be blamed for choosing a username they may have used elsewhere for years without any complaint at all. You can see this in many endless time-consuming and editor-deterring unblock appeals. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I'm useless with usernames, and tend to avoid UAA. But I live in the UK and can point you towards the bottom item at minge to answer the "Mingebetty" question. TFOWR 19:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Okay. I think there are inevitably going to be discrepancies in how different admins handle things at UAA, because of differences in background knowledge -- what one sees as certainly bad faith may look innocuous to another, as for example I have no idea why "Mingebetty" would be problematic. But in any case, I'll try to recalibrate my threshold a bit. Looie496 (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- What band? That is probably my main point. (Rashit). Even if it was an incredibly bad choice of name, there is no evidence at all that it was created in bad faith. FWIW I'm not aware of any comments, but noticed a couple of bad hardblocks in your blocking log. I tend to point these out to new admins, as it's a classic new admin mistake. Thanks for the consideration. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Protection
Looie, kindly see my input here [1] Anastasia Bukhantseva 04:02, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Prahlad Jani
Thanks for your note. Replied it here. -- Nazar (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Substantial changes to NPOV
There are other editors making substantial changes to NPOV policy without consensus. I think editors are complaining about my improvements not behaviour to NPOV policy. Do you think this is appropriate admin behaviour by you Looie496 to claim I am being disruptive when other editors are causing the problems with drastic changes to NPOV policy.
What do you mean by "you need to pull back here". I think you could look a little more closely at the edits all editors have made and undestand who is doing a great job of improving NPOV and who is making unproductive edits to the page. QuackGuru (talk) 17:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- You should really know better by now than to expect that sort of argument to work. If you can't persuade other editors to agree with you, you can't get your way in the dispute. Looie496 (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- The diffs of major changes[2][3][4] were rejected by other editors too. Do you agree that other editors have made substantial deletions to text to NPOV policy without consensus. I don't have to persuade other editors about restoring the section. Other editors have commented on the talk page to keep the section per consensus.[5][6] QuackGuru (talk) 17:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
For that [7] I was unsure if i ought to copy it in or leave it to an admin mark (talk) 19:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
TFA protection
TFA's are commonly protected because of a high level of vandalism. I don't see a reason to leave it unprotected, it would just waste the vandal fighters time. In some cases TFA's are protected for a few hours. --Inka888ContribsTalk 21:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- I looked at the history and saw at least two experienced admins had made reverts very recently, and were clearly keeping constant watch on the article. They were in an excellent position to decide whether protection is warranted. To my understanding protection is generally only applied to TFAs if the vandalism is so fast that it can't be controlled. Note that any given vandal-fighter always has the option of leaving that article to others to deal with. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok. I understand that were all volunteers and we don't have to do anything. Inka888ContribsTalk 22:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Block 72
You didn't sign it... Peridon (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- There is no requirement that block templates be signed. In cases of simple vandalism or other basic misbehavior, all it does is increase the chance of the editor taking revenge by vandalizing the admin's pages. Note though that I'm a brand new admin, so if you think I'm misunderstanding policy or doing something wrong, I'm open to having it explained to me. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Congratulations or commiserations as appropriate... Peridon (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey
Hey, just wanted to say congratulations on becoming an administrator Looie, :-) and survived the request for adminship process; it looks like a stressful process having to undergo all those questions and public scrutiny. It is nice to see you are taking an interest in ArbCom enforcement, an area which requires neutral as well as firm but fair admins (something that I know you are and will be). Good job.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 23:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Congrats
First, congrats on your successful RFA. :) Now for an exercise, can you look at the 90 page backlog of CSD requested pages? Thanks--Talktome(Intelati) 01:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'm afraid that I made a very explicit promise at my RfA not to do deletions -- I'm too weak on policy in that area to take it on. So I'm afraid somebody else will have to handle that backlog -- but I'll try to take a bit of the load off in other areas. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 02:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Semi-protection in a content dispute
FYI - See WP:SILVERLOCK. In reference to the protection on the DZMB article, in cases of a content dispute, full protection should generally be used. Semi-protection should only be used if all parties are IPs or non-autoconfirmed users. Congratulations on your new mop. -- Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 01:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the pointer. It's really a case where IP's are disrupting an article by repeatedly inserting unsourced information -- I guess in future I'll go by the book by labeling that as "disruption" rather than a content dispute. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 02:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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Cannibal (EP)
Timeline doesnt play a factor, unsourced and vandalism determin if an article should be protected or not. And FYI, the deletion is 8-0 for keep. Can you protect it? :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Scratch that, someone beat you to it, thanks anyways :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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The Signpost
Hi, could you check the blurb I wrote about you? Tony (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good, although perhaps you could replace "their" with "his" in the first sentence. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 05:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, and I'd just come back to ask whether "he" was OK. You're under a huge jellyfish now ... no association intended! Tony (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Request for assistance
Hi Looie496. Sorry for the trouble but could you possibly remind user:Nazar to be civil in his comments. Please see my reply to them here. There has been a long pattern of incivility by this user directed mainly toward me in discussions involving Prahlad Jani and Inedia. I simply cannot participate in discussions when the well is poisoned by such remarks. I believe this is harmful to Wikipedia because it stifles properly framed discussions based on ideas and not on personal attacks. Nazar has been warned in the past repeatedly about personal attacks against me by user:McGeddon as well. Thank you for your time. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 19:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- You don't need to engage with that editor, he has been warned that further edit-warring in the article will lead to a block. Your best response is to ignore him. If he continues to post long messages on the talk page in spite of not getting responses, I will intervene at that point. The incivility itself is not at a level I feel compelled to respond to. Looie496 (talk) 19:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your valuable and useful advice. I accept your arguments including your evaluation of the level of incivility. Thank you for taking the time. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 19:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Just a v quick, brief 'thanks' - I hate protection, sadly it was necessary. Ta. Chzz ► 20:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
AN/I
Please see that I have requested an explanation for your comments at AN/I. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 01:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- On the off chance that you're not aware of it, I was referring to WP:AN#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate change. Looie496 (talk) 01:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- I am aware of that. The issue is that if you read my post, you should have seen that Off2riorob has reverted three times in the last day against two editors. The talk page shows that there is not agreement for his version. Editors disagreeing with him, besides me, are here, here and here. When I asked him to join the discussion he simply posted an insult on my talk page. I have not reverted once. My question is, what about this makes you think I am trying to get myself sanctioned? Mackan79 (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ah. I think I misunderstood your description of the events. If so, I apologize for my snide remark, and will strike it. Looie496 (talk) 02:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I appreciate that. I will strike my question in response. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 02:38, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ah. I think I misunderstood your description of the events. If so, I apologize for my snide remark, and will strike it. Looie496 (talk) 02:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- I am aware of that. The issue is that if you read my post, you should have seen that Off2riorob has reverted three times in the last day against two editors. The talk page shows that there is not agreement for his version. Editors disagreeing with him, besides me, are here, here and here. When I asked him to join the discussion he simply posted an insult on my talk page. I have not reverted once. My question is, what about this makes you think I am trying to get myself sanctioned? Mackan79 (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Your Message
I have not repeated any of the conduct that lead to my topic ban, I have been at great pains to avoid a repeat of that. I have attempted to discuss the matter in the talk page, I have not attempted to force content into the article, I have attempted to obtain consensus on the talk page. I do not believe my conduct was disruptive.
However, I have discovered that one editor is seriously misrepresenting his sources, which you will note was mentioned in the case. My edit proposals are also being seriously misrepresented, then that used to discredit them. The editor I attempted to issue a WQA against is continuing with the same battleground mentality that lead to the dispute in the first place. There is a presumption that because they escaped sanction their hands are clean, the sanctions also apply to them.
I have proposed content that is relevant, well written, sourced and written to conform to NPOV. Even though acknowledging that Richard is vetoing its inclusion and the arguments for doing so don't stack up.
I would request that you please take the time to actually look at the talk page. From my perspective it appears that you've simply looked at the arbcom case and in 30s decided I'd returned to my old form. This really isn't the case I have made a real effort to avoid a repeat of that. Your message is tantamount to banning me from contributing to areas of wikipedia where I do have knowledge and would like to contribute. Justin talk 19:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
128.104.truth
I appreciate your comments about 128.104.truth at ANI [8], and the warning on their page about stalking the edits of another user. I see your point about his edits not being actual vandalism. However, when he returned to Wikipedia and saw your warning, his next three edits were all to articles that had been edited immediately prior by Off2RioRob [9] [10] [11]. These are all minor edits, true, but they also seem to be very pointy choices of articles. Since your comment and warning pretty much ended the previous discussion, I figured I'd come to you first, rather than start a new discussion at ANI. Thanks again for your help. Dayewalker (talk) 02:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing this out to me. I have imposed a 24 hour block. Looie496 (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- I hate to bother you again, but 128.truth returned from his block with three trolling comments to other administrators [12] [13] [14], then followed Chaser (who had told him to stop wikistalking) to an article [15], followed Tarc back to [16] an article he had previously followed me to [17], then followed me to another low-traffic article [18]. Any thoughts? I still feel as if he's just here to be pointy. Again, thanks in advance for your opinions. Dayewalker (talk) 16:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Das Baz
Just to say he may have an argument (maybe, there are other similar issues, this may not be as notable as he thinks) for 2012 (although he did post to the talk page and got no support), but definitely not for September 18 where he was reverted 17 times. Dougweller (talk) 05:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Pawnee Bill Ranch
The Pawnee Bill Ranch page is for a museum that is owned and operated by the Oklahoma Historical Society. I am asking that the page be edited because the invididual involved is using personal opinion to write the page. There is absolutely no evidence to show that the Ranch was built using slave labor. The ranch was constructed in 1910 using professional builders and it was not a Sears Home. It was designed and built by the architect James Hamilton from Chester, Pennsylvania. The building is not experiencing structural damage as is suggested and is certainly not riddled with mold. Please check out www.pawneebillranch.org for the official site on the Ranch to make your own decision if you wish. The hours of operations listed on the wiki page are completely innacurate. Historicalidentity (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason why either one of you would want false information in the article. I believe both of you believe that you're trying to make the article better. If you don't at least make an effort to work this out between the two of you, don't expect any help from me or any other Wikipedia admin. Looie496 (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Looie: We had the same trouble with the Miller Bros 101 Ranch locals. The 101 Ranch was bull-dozed by HUD decades ago but the people out there still put on shows in the dirt. They want to pretend, they are actors who travel around Oklahoma Fairs playing parts (Annie Oakley, Buffalo Bill, et al). Can you lock the "Pawnee Bill" page while we check on the other pages related to Oklahoma History. Please and thank you. Tintle (talk) 20:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Then I will continue to fight for my case and present the evidence that is true even as the other user continues to change it. If I'm to be banned for it, then so be it.Historicalidentity (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looie: I hate to bring you into another issue, but there is a problem with self citation on the Pawnee Bill page now. The bibliography is being continually edited to contain sources that have nothing to do with the subject and Tintle, R. "The Great Far East in the Historic Wild West" (2010) as well as Tintle, R. "Pawnee Bill Lives!" 2007 are unpublished papers done by Tintle. 152.132.9.73 is making the same changes on these pages as well: May Lillie and Mexican Joe. I did place a warning about self citation twice on the Pawnee Bill discussion page but the changes are continued to be made. Historicalidentity (talk) 18:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Malia Obama
Please undo page protection. Your action prevents a valid article from appearing. Some could say that a paid political activist who want to eliminate the article would do exactly as you. However, I don't say you are paid, only that the payment status is unknown. I do say that your action is unhelpful. Please unpage protect. I pledge that I will not re-create the article myself for 100 days.
I think you will refuse so I, hereby, give you notice of arbitration. Presidentmalia (talk) 21:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Mediation
I hereby ask you to mediate to agree to unpage protect the Malia page and restore the article. NuclearWarefare says he reverted it to a redirect but can't do anything because of your action.
If you do not agree, mediation has failed and arbitration goes on. Presidentmalia (talk) 21:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Where did NuclearWarfare say that? If you want the redirect unprotected, the proper way to ask for it is to file an unprotection request at WP:RFPP. I am not going to do it myself without evidence that there is consensus to have an article. Looie496 (talk) 21:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind, I saw what NW said, and you have completely misrepresented it. Unless you can build a consensus, at a page such as Talk:Family of Barack Obama, that an article about Malia is desirable, I don't think you are going to get anywhere with this. Looie496 (talk) 21:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Obama, Sorry :)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Talktome(Intelati) 21:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Dbpjmuf edit-warring on Big Beautiful Women
Does this count? Celestra (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have fully-protected the article for three days. There is plenty of fault to go around here. Looie496 (talk) 23:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- I disagree, but I can see where you might form that opinion if you didn't take the time to research the problem. I should have explained: others have been trying to get the IP who later became Dbpjmuf to respect consensus and stop edit warring since September. The article was originally semiprotected to put a stop to that IP's edit war, at which time he registered an account and made edit requests until four days had passed. That's how I got involved, servicing some of those requests. If you were to read that talk page section, you would see a repetitive drum of "form a new consensus" from me and others. How do you expect to get someone to respect consensus and use a consensus building model if you don't prevent them from changing the article against that consensus? I assumed that is why he was brought to ANI and why you gave him a final warning yesterday - not to make empty threats but to get the editor to engage in the process. Celestra (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, but then a different editor changed it in an attempt at compromise, and you reverted back to the old form. If it had only been Dbpjmuf against everybody else, I would probably have blocked Dbpjmuf. Looie496 (talk) 02:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, a different editor agreed with him to reject consensus. I left a note on his talk page asking him to join the process instead. Regardless of whether his suggestion was useful, just stepping in and implementing it while others are trying to reach an agreement isn't helpful. Celestra (talk) 04:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with that. Looie496 (talk) 05:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- No, a different editor agreed with him to reject consensus. I left a note on his talk page asking him to join the process instead. Regardless of whether his suggestion was useful, just stepping in and implementing it while others are trying to reach an agreement isn't helpful. Celestra (talk) 04:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, but then a different editor changed it in an attempt at compromise, and you reverted back to the old form. If it had only been Dbpjmuf against everybody else, I would probably have blocked Dbpjmuf. Looie496 (talk) 02:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- I disagree, but I can see where you might form that opinion if you didn't take the time to research the problem. I should have explained: others have been trying to get the IP who later became Dbpjmuf to respect consensus and stop edit warring since September. The article was originally semiprotected to put a stop to that IP's edit war, at which time he registered an account and made edit requests until four days had passed. That's how I got involved, servicing some of those requests. If you were to read that talk page section, you would see a repetitive drum of "form a new consensus" from me and others. How do you expect to get someone to respect consensus and use a consensus building model if you don't prevent them from changing the article against that consensus? I assumed that is why he was brought to ANI and why you gave him a final warning yesterday - not to make empty threats but to get the editor to engage in the process. Celestra (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Toni Braxton
Thank you! I will return if the user continues to be trouble. Carmaker1 (talk) 23:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Rape
In regards to the article on "Rape", rape can also be committed by higher animals like the orangutan. There are documented cases of humans being raped by animals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.193.155.159 (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- My only involvement with that article was to protect it because of edit warring. I don't know anything about its contents and don't have any opinion about that. Looie496 (talk) 22:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia consensus to no longer be discussion driven and now based on voting?
Is this the case? Your message implies it, but I was under the impression that consensus is driven by discussion. Did you by any chance not notice the opposition's inability to formulate a cogent (or even valid) argument to defend their viewpoint in the discussion page? I've been basing my attitude towards consensus on wp:cons, and I'm not convinced I should be blocked from the MSG page in this case. I understand that the discussion has grown quite long, and there is an understandable tendency to distrust the edits of IP addresses. I'm hopeful that the verdict of your arbitration may have been somehow influenced by this and possibly something Sciencewatcher or his company said to condemn me while pleading for administrative assistance, and that you would be willing to review the situation with impartial consideration.174.126.200.228 (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't say that you can't participate at the page, and the fact that you are using an IP is totally irrelevant. I said that you can't continue to edit-war to insert material that every other participating editor disagrees with. Looie496 (talk) 03:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll follow Wikipedia's guidelines to try and bring in more eyes to the article and see if my viewpoint is shared before making edits. I'd like to point out though, that I'm going to make one revision of Sciencewatcher's. He made a section deletion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Monosodium_glutamate#Health_concerns_section.27s_low_standard which poses to be unrelated to my 'wiki edit warring'. I objected to his deletion yesterday laying out the logic, but the discussion has remained stagnant.174.126.200.228 (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- I gave my reasons in the edit summary. --sciencewatcher (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Typesupper2
Hello Looie496. If I should take this to AE or ANI again I apologize, but you are familiar with the issue here. You warned Typesupper2 (talk · contribs) about calling living people Nazis when they are not Nazis (in fact, the person this user is calling a Nazi is a Jewish son of Holocaust survivors). The first edit they made since that warning was to reinsert the BLP violating remarks (here) with the edit summary "Stop defending Nazis". nableezy - 14:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for informing me. I have applied a 24 hour block. Looie496 (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Legal threats from blocked user
User talk:Braingym1 See his talk page. I think a hard block is necessary since he made a sock account User:BrainGym Webmaster and is continuing his legal threats. Momo san Gespräch 20:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I think it's been dealt with for the moment. Looie496 (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Dear Administrator, I would like to address the allegation [19] and would like to send you a screenshot with a colleague- scholar permission to use text [20] at WP - please respond on my e-mail – so I’ve send you an image – please note - all private or confidential information was blanked. Thanks Jo0doe (talk) 09:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Answered on your talk page. Looie496 (talk) 17:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer - Actually a paper version distributed for participants at Historical Memory in Contemporary Ukraine An international conference September 23–26, 2009 Kyiv does not have "draft" mark - avialable online it's same as final presented. Facts given at scholar work also was presented (in expanded version) in Poland 2010 - I hope it text will help to clear different scholar texts from proof by verbosity accusations in "pushing a pro-Soviet POV with respect to Ukraine" [21]. I also can advice for reading [22]] page 59. Can you advice somebody else which can recieve a permission for text usage (free-e-mail account with no real name) to resolve the issue [23] . Thank youJo0doe (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
2012
As a matter of fact, I have now written 3 paragraphs in the 2012 Discussion Page on the subject of the 2012 Bullfighting Ban in Catalonia. The only argument that anyone has offered for removing the data is the claim that only data of global world-wide extent can be included in Wikipedia. This is an absurd claim. Has any other information in Wikipedia ben removed because it is not about a matter that affects everybody in the whole world? Please stop the malicious vandal from his or her vandalistic removals. Thanks. Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have added a comment to the talk page supporting your viewpoint, but that's all I'm going to do. A legitimate place for you to look for further input would be WT:WikiProject Spain. If you mention this there, don't say "come to Talk:2012 and set the idiots right", just say that the question is being discussed and further input would be helpful. Looie496 (talk) 18:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Chesdovi
Hello Looie496, I think 1 month block is overly harsh. Chesdovi has not had a block or topic ban anywhere near that length. nableezy - 18:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Chesdovi's behavior needs to do a 180 degree turn if he is to continue editing in this domain. I didn't feel that a shorter block would get that message across. Thus far he has shown no sign of understanding why what he is doing is wrong, and if he can't understand that, he can't edit on these articles. I am not going to complain if some other admin shortens the block, but my feeling is that the block was appropriate. Looie496 (talk) 18:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- If that is the message you are trying to convey to Chesdovi then a topic-ban would be a better approach. I obviously have problems with Chesdovi, but he is, more often than not, a good editor. Even if there are problems with his editing in the ARBPIA topic area, I dont think many people would deny the user is very valuable when it comes to his editing on ancient synagogues or Jewish history. The block stops him from contributing to areas where he is an asset to this project. nableezy - 19:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- I encourage you to make that suggestion at WP:ANI#Chesdovi blocked; I am open to the idea. Looie496 (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- If that is the message you are trying to convey to Chesdovi then a topic-ban would be a better approach. I obviously have problems with Chesdovi, but he is, more often than not, a good editor. Even if there are problems with his editing in the ARBPIA topic area, I dont think many people would deny the user is very valuable when it comes to his editing on ancient synagogues or Jewish history. The block stops him from contributing to areas where he is an asset to this project. nableezy - 19:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Pawnee Bill Ranch page again
Looie: I hate to bring you into another issue, but there is a problem with self citation on the Pawnee Bill page now. The bibliography is being continually edited to contain sources that have nothing to do with the subject and Tintle, R. "The Great Far East in the Historic Wild West" (2010) as well as Tintle, R. "Pawnee Bill Lives!" 2007 are unpublished papers done by Tintle. 152.132.9.73 is making the same changes on these pages as well: May Lillie and Mexican Joe. I did place a warning about self citation twice on the Pawnee Bill discussion page but the changes are continued to be made. The website on the Pawnee Bill Ranch linkswww.pawneebill.org is also directing people to the original Wikipedia edit of Tintle.Historicalidentity (talk) 19:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have reverted the edits in question, and semi-protected the page for a week. Looie496 (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. Would you take a look at the Pawnee Bill page as well for self citation? I have reason to believe that 152.132.9.73 is the user Tintle. Historicalidentity (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't doubt it. I've semi'ed that one too. Looie496 (talk) 19:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Again, thank you for your help in the matter. Historicalidentity (talk) 19:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't doubt it. I've semi'ed that one too. Looie496 (talk) 19:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looie496 new editor needed for history articles because the tour guide Historical Indenity has sold you a bstory from a brochure that should not be presented to people as history. This type of flaw is the reason that students are warned not to use wikipedia as a legitimate souce. Historicalidentity had no contact information, This article is not completely unfactual leaving out the land run, lanb grad, and violation of the Pawnee trible treaties in Oklahoma, all of which are well=known facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.243.66 (talk) 10:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looie: The ISP address 71.29.243.66 has made changes on the talk page of the Pawnee Bill Ranch page as well as the talk page of the Pawnee Bill page to take out the warnings that were placed by other users about self citation on the pages. Comments about the page's accuracy has also been placed on those sites. Please also take a special look at comments that you yourself have written where Tintle's username has been erased from your questions. It looks like the user is trying to change things to benefit themself on these pages. I have reason to believe that 71.29.243.66 is the user Tintle as well as 152.132.9.73. "Wikipedia is too malleable a source of information; its articles are inherently unreliable and mostly inaccurate. Alert: Historicalidentity (talk | contribs) is posting dialog and other information from fiction sources such as dime novels and comic books as historical events, a violation of Wiki's TOS. Tintle (talk) 00:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)" This has also appeared on the users page. I do not know why this user wants to continually deny that the page does not present all of the facts. The page that is up has mulitple citations from multiple reputible sources on the topic. No brochures have been used in any of the citations. The matter of a land grab should not be an issue either as it has no historical basis behind it for the specific site. The site page is simply trying to talk about a historical museum. Talk of land runs and tribal issues should be reserved for other pages. I would hope that action would be taken. Thank you for your consideration and help in the matter.Historicalidentity (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- The problem here is that it's very difficult to effectively block people who can hop across a wide range of IP addresses. The only approach that really works is semi-protection. I don't have any problem with semi-protecting articles, but semi-protecting talk pages for long periods of time is not desirable unless absolutely necessary. My advice is to do your best to ignore this editor's talk page activity for a while. Nobody except you is really paying attention to it anyway, I think. Sooner or later he will probably give up and then we can clean things up. There are other possible approaches, but they involve more work than I'm really eager to do. Looie496 (talk) 16:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Might I just ask how long the protection on the pages will last? I believe that this issue will not be resolved so easily. I know that it's already protected until the 28th of this month, but is there any way that it could be protected for longer? Again, thank you and I am sorry to be such a bother. It simply bothers me when others abuse information like this.Historicalidentity (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- I won't extend the protection right now, but it only takes a few seconds to re-protect it if the need is still there -- and if I have to do it again, I'll make it longer next time. Looie496 (talk) 17:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Another ISP address to report for Tintle, now making sarcastic comments about sources produced in original discussion. 68.97.41.111. Just keeping you updated and thank you again for your help.Historicalidentity (talk) 19:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Chesdovi
Do you care to respond to the questions posed here? [24] I think that I have raised valid points that warrant a response--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Dude deserves at least a good article, no? I have the highest edit count on the article, mostly because of cleaning it up; I can't write much on the fellow. But I did plop in a ton of full-text sources, so someone more familiar with Charcot and neurology can take it to the next level. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Bull-fighting ban in Catalonia
Thank you for your support, Looie496. I know I am supposed to "assume good faith," but it is hard to do so when a malicious vandal keeps removing true and important information, for no good reason. I cannot help thinking that the malicious vandal just hates animals and wants the bull-torture to continue. Das Baz, aka Erudil 15:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if you're going to take that attitude, I'm not going to be able to give you any support. Fanaticism is always unwelcome. It's clear to me that the people who are opposed to this simply don't think it is important enough to tell the whole world about. I think they're wrong, but if you are going to accuse them of being evil, I don't want anything to do with you. Looie496 (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement thread
Could you please take a look at my new comment in the arbitration enforcement thread I posted recently, and the diffs linked there? I'm not violating the sanctions against my account by posting there, because the admin who topic banned me made a specific exception for allowing me to do this. I was also told by one of the arbitrators that posting there would be acceptable while I was topic banned. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- I understand that, but I feel that you've abused the privilege. Looie496 (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Can you please explain how I've "abused the privilege?" When I was given permission for this by the admin who topic banned me, it was in the context of my wanting admin attention for the same specific behavior I’m reporting here, including some of the exact same examples/diffs.
- The behavior that I was saying I thought needed admin attention, which NuclearWarfare was giving me permission to report, is what Captain Occam described in his comment here [25] (in the "Response to new comments from Maunus and Muntuwandi" section). Three of the five examples of editor behavior that are described in that comment are the same examples included in my report. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
About Vandalism
I consider vandalism the removal of content without a single explanation. At least you Looie496 are now giving a reason, the fact that the TV transmission in question is in french. I suppose you don't disagree with the main merit of question, hunger as a weapon, and the importance of references to that by internal or external links. Thank you Marasmus (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Reply
Dear Looie496, I would like to thank you for my account to be unblock and have a great day. :) クリッシーサングスタークリッシーサングスター ♥ 04:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abcassionchan (talk • contribs)
Talkback
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Thanks. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
leadtooshort template
While completely uninvolved in the original editing dispute that was brought up at RFPP, I am so surprised by your reasoning that I would like to discuss the subject in greater detail.
You, rather aggressively, denied a request for page protection because a user was trying to use a template you consider to be "ugly". First off, using your subjective opinion of how attractive something is to direct your actions as an administrator seems a bit inappropriate, but more importantly you're arbitrarily slapping the face of all kinds of Wikipedia conventions.
Some cleanup templates are inherently ugly. They don't exist to make the article look better, they exist to notify users that there is a problem that needs correction. Bright orange road construction/hazard signs are ugly but you'd be foolish to argue they shouldn't be used for that reason. Secondly, this template has existed since 2006 and been used since then; it currently used on a variety of articles as unobscure as toaster.
As an administrator, you should be aware that the removal of maintainence templates is often considered vandalism and there are four levels of user talk warnings for the removal of these templates; the fourth level indicates "The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, you may be blocked from editing without further notice" which conveys the seriousness of this behavior.
You're flying in the face of longstanding conventions and suggesting administrators should hold their personal standards of attractiveness higher than established wiki guidelines and procedures. Furthermore, removing properly-used templates because they are "ugly" undermines the entire maintainence template system and suggests we should value style over substance.
Please reconsider this inappropriate approach to editing and administrative duties. Some guy (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- There are actually many editors who feel as I do that article-level tags don't belong at the top of an article unless they reflect some issue that casts doubt on the validity of the article. Also it seems to me that they are often used as a sort of power trip by users who aren't willing to do the work of improving an article but get a kick out of holding it hostage for the people who actually care about it. I think this is an area where people who actually create articles have a different point of view from others: we tend to see drive-by tagging as often just a sort of legalized vandalism. But I'll accept your point in one way: in the future when similar issues come up, I won't resolve them. I won't be the one who applies protection or blocks an editor in such cases, but I'll just leave them alone for some other admin to handle. Looie496 (talk) 03:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- I "actually create articles" as well. I don't take it personally when someone adds a cleanup tag to an article I've created or maintain. Some articles need work, some users don't have the time, patience, or knowledge to fix everything they come across. As I mentioned before, you're looking at the situation backwards. It sounds as if you're saying your articles shouldn't have an "ugly" cleanup template because you don't want to take the time to fix the problem and you're offended someone else pointed it out. It should be that if you don't like the cleanup template and really don't want it to be there, you should fix the problem and remove the template. Nobody's holding anything "hostage". Some guy (talk) 04:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's very useful to point out problems in an article, but that's what talk pages are for. In fact, I wouldn't object at all to maintenance templates if they went on the talk page instead of the article. I just don't think it improves Wikipedia to put garish blobs on top of otherwise decent articles. Doing this for something like "lead too short" is especially out of line. Looie496 (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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67.176.220.219
- 67.176.220.219 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I noticed you blocked this editor for warring on Fred Singer, which is in the climate change topic. Looking at his edits it looks like he's been around for a while on the same IP and his principal interests are climate change. Perhaps we should treat him as we would treat a registered editor, in which case it would be as well to warn him about the climate change discretionary sanctions. --TS 22:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Done and logged; thanks for the suggestion. Looie496 (talk) 22:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar
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For your hard work not even a month into your adminship, especially at WP:AN/3 I award you the admin's barnstar. Secret account 00:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC) |
- Dang beat me to it! I was just coming over to giver the same award for the same reason! Keep it up! The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
CSI needs to be re-protected (at least *I* think so)
Almost the minute the protection expired on CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, 24.253.41.64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (who JUST got off a six month block for persistant vandalism involving WP:OR new characters, blog sourcing and generalized fancruft) and a couple of others are right back in there messing it up. I have been trying under my username, but also my IP address at work, fighting vandals and those who refuse to edit Wikipedia by the rules in the CSI, Law and Order and NCIS shows - so that some of them might eventually reach GA status. Unfortunately, the IP I've listed above and others like them are wearing me down, and I've about had it as an editor whose work seems to be for nothing. Sorry, this isn't your fault, so I apologise for bitching. Anyway...would you be so kind as to check & see if you agree that CSI:Crime Scene Investigation does need protecting again? I tried appealing to the person who blocked the above IP user, but they say this is just someone who 'doesn't understand the rules' (my paraphrase) very well - but if you look at their talk page - it's fairly obvious they do not care to learn either, as it's all the same stuff in the same articles that got them blocked in the first place after much counseling and warnings. Thanks for listening to the rant. I appreciate any time you might be able to devote to this, as I understand how busy Admins are. I thought about applying, but I know my Irish temper would get my adminship revoked within the first hour or so. As I guess you can tell, I'm one of those that "doesn't suffer fools gladly"! Thanks very much! Cheers, Trista Triste Tierra (talk) 03:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for blocking the one offending user. With that one out of the way, it might be easier to fix some of the other stuff being put up by IP Vandals and those who want Wikipedia to be a TV fansite rather than an encyclopaedic source about many things, including TV shows. Zen hugs to you! Trista Triste Tierra (talk) 03:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would also be prepared to semi-protect the article for an extended period if it's necessary, but let's see how it goes. Looie496 (talk) 03:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Paul Robeson editing conflicts
Hello, thank you for contacting me. The issue has arisen because in the previous intro edit, my facts were questioned. I was in the process of meticulously citing this material with references and then the section was not only drastically altered but the editor provided zero references and moved my previously entered cites around without thought to connectedness or relevancy. Then malik told me citations are "probably not needed" by str1977 via HIS work.
Here is the passage in question:
"U.S. Congressional records and FBI files reveal the reasoning behind his persecution centered not only on Robeson's beliefs in socialism but also his consistent work towards the liberation of the colonised peoples of Africa, the Caribbean, Asia and the Australian aborigines, his support of the International Brigades,[1] his efforts to push for anti-lynching legislation and the racial integration of major league baseball among many other causes that openly challenged white supremacy on six continents.[2]"
Str1977 and Malik Shabazz have implied that the persecution points that I cited for Paul Robeson's persecution by the US power structure of the 1940's to 1960's are without historical merit or simply over exaggerated. I have gone through countless FBI files to prove them both incorrect with citations while str1977 has provided no cites or references for ANY of his edits. I acnnot edit in cites and references if my work is being reverted in real time.
I'm amazed now at the high standards that I was held to when first repairing and rebuilding the Paul Robeson article and sub-articles when I did the major revisions/creations on it. These rules are not be applied to Str1977. I never could have gotten away with such uncited material in the intro or elsewhere. I had editors breathing done my neck and tagging stuff as I was writing. Which is fine but why not others?
Writing a very large controversial article cannot be a flawless job and I have always maintained that I've made mistakes. But I DO cite my work and I make modifications as I did yesterday. I thought content on wikipedia research and references were cornerstone not editors ganging up on users. When str1977 comes through he deletes research citations and replaces it with zero cites please tell me why is that acceptable? Because he is an editor? I cannot find these answers in the rules. Thanks very much for your time.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 05:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- It would be better to keep the discussion on your talk page -- but I'll just say that, while I haven't encountered Str1977, I have watched Malik edit for a long time and I have strong faith in his good intentions and expertise. Looie496 (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Courtesy
FYI. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Where's the diff
Hi, Looie496.
It worries me that previous WQA was closed after involved admin said that the case was already reported, but no diff. Things cannot be solved here on "honorable scouts word".
I've been looking through pages that link to "user:Ivan Štambuk" in namespace Wikipedia, search ANI archives, searchword="Štambuk".
My eyes "fell out" why I was searching through all those ANI's, but I haven't seen the case of Štambuk's "sod off".
Anyway, denigrating of opponents and opponents' sources (authors) continued [26] ("nationalist fluff") [27] "your own clique", [28] "this nutjob + (name of scientist)" (violation of WP:BLP).... Kubura (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
About more notifications
Hi, Looie496.
You asked me here [29] that if you have missed to notifiy anybody here Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Log_of_warnings, to bring his/hers name to your intention.
I wrote a message to Kwamikagami [30]. He's involved on several articles that are under the scope of WP:ARBMAC: Croatian language, Serbo-Croatian language, Croatian grammar, South Slavic languages, Differences between standard Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian, {{South Slavic languages sidebar)...
E.g., here [31] are inline citations needed; various topics are covered on various pages. Kwamikagami blatantly removed "citation needed" .
Kwamikagami also must be notified by you and his name also must be here Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Log_of_warnings. The rules are equal for everyone. Bye, Kubura (talk) 03:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- If you show me even one example of incivility by kwami, I will notify him. Incivility means attributing bad motives to another editor or otherwise insulting another editor. It doesn't mean saying that an edit is wrong or doing things that another editor disagrees with. Looie496 (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please include Talk:Serbo-Croatian on your watchlist in relation to this issue. Some of the heat from the Talk:Croatian language discussion has migrated there. --Taivo (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- All involved parties should be given a warning who participated, especially involved admins who were editing the blocked article even after the ban look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatian_language&action=historysubmit&diff=392190211&oldid=391983057 Vodomar (talk) 04:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please include Talk:Serbo-Croatian on your watchlist in relation to this issue. Some of the heat from the Talk:Croatian language discussion has migrated there. --Taivo (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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