::::Actually Crohnie, I thought the DeadSend4 thing was going quite well. You don't have to read or respond to the epic thread he posted below. I have already responded by offering to critique his re-write of the lead, and have posted something on the article talk page. He has not yet responded to my input, and has been idle for nearly a full day now. I will send you an e-mail. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 15:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Actually Crohnie, I thought the DeadSend4 thing was going quite well. You don't have to read or respond to the epic thread he posted below. I have already responded by offering to critique his re-write of the lead, and have posted something on the article talk page. He has not yet responded to my input, and has been idle for nearly a full day now. I will send you an e-mail. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 15:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
{{History of South Asia}}Y I fixed the color scheme, but two problems remain: The Iron Age is not properly centred; and the header for "kingdoms of Sri Lanka" jumps to the left when you click on "show". I don't know whats wrong.
Hey :> I know there's a huge backlog over there and all that, but if I asked the most respected admin I know for his advice on how to get it reviewed it wouldn't be "jumping in line" or "canvassing" would it? He's as likely to fail it as pass it, and certainly might not even take on the case himself. He's a very good content creator and very neutral - should I ask for his help? This article's got so many references and I'm obviously the #1 pusher for GA over there. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks... Doctalk03:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be incredibly quick to review as it is in such good shape: references, images, prose, it's all good to go. The article is so interesting, who could resist? No harm in asking, that's what I think. --Diannaa(Talk)04:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Diannaa. I started investigating and then blocked before I saw your comment. The IP in question had removed some vandalism warnings from their talk page, so it was not just a 3RR warning. They were also previously editing disruptively from another IP that also received a warning. Please feel free to let me know if you disagree with my block, though. Thanks! Paul Erik(talk)(contribs)15:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was more the fact that they had stopped than the apparent lack of warnings. But I did not realise they had done more from a related IP. Thanks for notifying me. --Diannaa(Talk)15:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! I thought you might be interested in WikiProject Wikify's June Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We'll be trying to reduce the backlog size by about 900 articles and we need your help! Hard-working participants in the drive will receive awards for their contributions! If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!
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The same user has recreated a PROD-deleted article, today; I've listed it at AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KOK Europe GP 2011 in Lublin.
I don't know the best action to take; possibly a warning, but I can see a competence block on the horizon.
I won't warn them myself - it already looks a bit like I'm 'victimising' them, because I've PROD/AfD'd several of their creations - although, I hope, appropriately.
Please advise. (No rush on this though; hope you're having a nice break). Cheers, Chzz ► 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg, as there is a whole series of articles, for example KOK Europe GP 2011 in Chişinău. Have a look at the template {{2011 K-1 Events}} and you can see that there are articles for events dating all the way back to 1993. The more recent articles are a mass of red links, and the material is all unsourced. Their insistence on including these articles, ahead of time, leads me to believe that they are promotional. There is probably a conflict of interest. How about filing a report at the Conflict of Interest notice board? Perhaps we can enlist help from someone with more experience in this field. --Diannaa(Talk)00:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another way to go might be to do a mass AFD nomination of everything linked to in the K-1 Events template that has no sources. For example, this one chosen at random is self-sourced as the sources listed are both their own websites, one in Ukranian and one in English: KOK World GP 2010 Battle of the Dnieper. Creator was User:SM020886 and the article was created three weeks after the event in this instance. Every single athlete on the fight card is red-linked. If you want to proceed with this idea, we should research this, and find out how many articles there are, who created them and when, and which ones have sources, and which ones have notable athletes. Then the people at AFD will get a better idea of the scope of the problem. I am almost done with the copy-edit drive and will be able to help you pull the info together in the next few days if you would like to proceed with this idea. I actually have no experience at AFD so you will have to help with filing the thing. Let me know what you think. I gotta get to bed so I will ttyl. --Diannaa(Talk)05:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, no rush. I'm gonna see what happens with that DRV I mentioned above; if that gets booted out, I'll be dropping this stick and shrugging, and avoiding any more wrestling articles. (I mean that in the calmest, most WP:FUCK-ish, honest way; it's something I think is 'wrong', but it ain't worth me getting worked up about)[1] Chzz ► 07:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Invalid keep !votes should, of course, be disregarded by the closing admin. And if they're not, DRV should sort things out. However, a) that takes weeks, by which time the event might've become notable, b) if deleted, someone might recreate it (as happened here), c) if DRV fails to agree with this precept, then frankly, I'm fucked. I do what I can to sort it out, but there's a limit, which I'm rapidly approaching, where I have to give up. Chzz ► 05:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi there! I'm The Train Enthusiast, a newbie here on Wikipedia. I was patrolling Recent Changes when I noticed your edit to a page that had to do with the guild of copyers (something like that, can't remember the exact name). What does the guild do, and what are their backlog drives for? TheTrainEnthusiast (talk) 00:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Train Enthusiast, and welcome to Wikipedia. What you saw was the Guild of Copy Editors. We work on copy editing articles, and every second month we run a copy editing drive to help eliminate the backlog of articles needing copy edit. Please click on the link for further information. Thank you for your interest. --Diannaa(Talk)00:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lol - Hard weekend?
Oh dear, looks you did the same as me lol, luckily mine was only changing my watch :¬)
"30 days hath September, April, June and November..."
Hope you had a good weekend, I love the Ninja Diannaa moniker - imagining you in all-black running around silently copyediting posters and public notices without anyone spotting you made me laugh... Chaosdruid (talk) 03:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The weekend was the true definition of epic awesomeness! It must remain a Secret where we were and what we were doing, though, as we are ninjas! ►►—Ninja Diannaa—►(Talk)
I have been trying to update my stats since 23:50 but oould not due to server access errors.
I have logged in on the secure server now, but cannot dump my edits to the last article as the pages will not load on the normal server. If I quit Firefox I will lose all my edits!!! :¬(
I have just updated my stats, but need to update the table as well, 13x 5k and 91,648 total words.
Okay, I got the corrections done to the Barnstar sub-page and the main page leader board and tally are also updated. I hope you can save that last editing session! --Diannaa(Talk)00:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The penultimate one went through in the end, after 35 mins or so, but the last one is just sitting there with a blank tab and the little green circle spinning round with "connecting" next to it. I know if I go back a page it will go back to pre-editing.
I have opened the section again though and am redoing it just in case! lol I don't like the secure server as none of the copy and paste links work properly... I'll try and get this saved/done again and then join you for last minute work on the drive stuff. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I have started a page here for barnstar calculations and will let you know when I am ready to knock off for the evening, so we don't have edit conflicts. --Diannaa(Talk)00:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
K - things seem back to normal now, phew! I copied it into Word and did it there instead, that was a weird hour and a half - the server page reported no problems, although I did get kicked out of the IRC channels as well...did you see the pics in the section above? (here)
Oh of course :) I like the costume, it is super excellent. However I regret to inform you that Ninjas do not inform that public of their whereabouts via bumper stickers. It is simply Not Done. --Diannaa(Talk)01:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lol :¬)
I used to do public displays as a Viking (yup, thats me ->) back in the late 80s (in full kit with sword/axe fighting etc.), we always announced our whereabouts with belches and shouting so that the locals could have time to run and hide...though sometimes the odd one would stay for a quick beating... not really the same approach as you ninjas lmao Chaosdruid (talk) 02:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Love the pic! We saw a similar display in Edinburgh last summer; not Vikings but burly chaps dressed up in primitive clothing for the tourists. Must upload a pic one day. Anyway, I have now turned my brain to mush by doing math whilst drinking Bailey's and am going for a dog-walk. If you would like to carry on with assigning barnstars please go ahead as I am outa here for a while. Just go to the link above and imitate what I did with the first few participants. Thanks --Diannaa(Talk)02:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I managed two (I think I did them correctly?) and then a req editor posted his replies to my copyedit notes on my talk page so I have to deal with that before bed...
Red House, one of my fav Jimi tracks :¬) Edinburgh? I thought you were a Canuck? (don't take that the wrong way, Frasier was a hero of mine - no not that simpering psychoanalyst, the mountie lol - as well as a close friend being Dene, 1/2 Chipewyan/1/2 Dogrib, from Yellowknife) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Hmm I may have responded too strongly to the editor, must be off to bed now as it is past 04:30 - dawn is here and the sun is nearly up again lol, g'night, I will continue where you leave off when I awaken... Chaosdruid (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was just trawling through the stats, came to Master of Mayhem and checked the last two articles - as they were over 2000 words each.
I have penalised again and removed the articles to the top "not done" section. The diffs are [3] and [4].
The first is obviously not complete, the second one is particularly notable as Utahraptor had just done an extensive copyedit a couple of days beforehand [5].
That also begs the question, why did UR not update their drive page totals? (and should we do it for them?) - It had a copyedit needed tag on it, UR ce'd it, but there is only one article in their stats ?!?
K, apart from The UR's thats all of them done, we did have a missing leader board award but I found it and corrected!
Just for a laugh I thought I would try and clear all the remaining 2009 ones right now, then found they were a load of big lists and manga too lol :¬( Chaosdruid (talk) 14:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is true that I performed a copy edit on Investigator's brochure; however, I did not finish, as the article had many blank sections and I could not finish an article in that condition. That's why I added the ombox on the top of the article and the {{GOCEreviewed}} tag on the talk page. That's why I didn't update my total on the drive; I could not officially complete the copy edit. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs15:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, fair enough, you did do a lot of work on it in several sections though, which are creditable (as per a normal section ce banner?) :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Master of Mayhem was expecting a barnstar anyway; they dropped out when we found their work was inadequate. So we just have to hear from Utahraptor and we can start handing out the barnstars. Thank you very much --Diannaa(Talk)22:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(response to this message): Whether I wish to be credited or not does not matter, as even with this statistic included I did not copy edit enough words to acquire a barnstar. I remember now that there is a stats page on which Guild drive stats are posted. Yes, I do wish to be credited as having copy edited this article, even though it was only in part. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs18:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My listing amongst the barnstar recipients of the May 2011 Copyediting drive.
Greetings, Diannaa! I'm here because I wanted to point out that I'm not listed with the participants who copyedited a 10K article, here, but I copyedited a 10K article during the May 2011 Guild of Copyeditor's backlog elimination drive; Early Earth Federation mobile suits in the Gundam universe. I listed myself in the leaderboard at 5th place under the 5K articles category because I had read that a 10K article counts towards that category as two 5Ks. Anyway, the article, as per an AfD discussion, has been redirected to a similar article on its topic, but if an article that was copyedited but later redirected still counts, do I also get a 10K barnstar? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Y Done - Personally, I would have perhaps approached it a little differently, placing a {{GOCEreviewed}} on the talkpage and removed the copyedit needed entry from the multiple issues banner on the article page. There is little point in spending that much time on an article that already has all votes for delete or deleting the text leaving a redir.
I know that means you wouldn't have got the 10K, but it would have freed up around 2 or more hours of your time to work on a 10K article that deserved it, perhaps Bomberman Jetters at 12,142 words - one of the two remaining September 2009 articles; that would have also got you a 2009 credit :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am finishing up an article from the Requests page, shoot me now. Thanks for checking out the newsletter. Once a few people have done the proof-reading we can hoepfully get SMasters to send it out using AWB. We also gotta get the barnstars done over the weekend; it looks like Tea with Toast is on wikibreak so if we could split it 4 ways that would be great. --Diannaa(Talk)02:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure - I am at work until late afternoon but should be free by the time you get up, around 15:00 UTC if you get a lie in ¦¬) or if I have late deliveries to do, around 21:00 UTC - free all Sunday tho. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I just remembered the coordinator positions are due to expire at the end of June, so we will have to do an election, as well. We can run nominations for the first half of June and run the election in the second half of June. I will add something to the newsletter. --Diannaa(Talk)01:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Request for copy-edit
Hi Diannaa. Hope you're well. I was wondering if you could do a copy-edit on this. I know I'm doing a lot of Simpson articles recently, and I hope I'm not causing you any nuisance. Novice7 (talk) 10:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Right! I'll have to fix the reference to the Yellow Gold Rolex Datejust. Working on that this weekend. Have another question, too. I hope it will take only a little of your time. A page on which you made some edits recently (The Raleigh DeGeer Amyx Collection) has been nominated for deletion, but I can't understand why. Is there any way you could take a look at it, and possibly either discern why user ttonyb (talk) says it should be deleted, or if possible, point me to someone with a lot more experience than this user that can shed light on the page. Help! :) Timeinabottle8615 (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The reason given was that the subject matter does not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion in the encyclopedia. He says the subject fails to garner any Google hits either under straight hits or under news-specific hits, and that he was unable to establish independent, verifiable, secondaryreliable sources for the article, and therefore the subject is not notable enough, as Wikipedia defines it, for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Tony is a trusted user who has been with us since 2007, with over 80,000 edits on this wiki (that is a lot). There is nothing I can do to help with this, because either the subject is notable enough or it is not notable enough. Other users will comment over the course of the week, and then an administrator or other trusted long-term user will make the decision. Only administrators can delete articles. Please feel free to continue to improve the article while the discussion in happening, but do not remove the AFD tag. Thanks. --Diannaa(Talk)21:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weird goings-on
Hi! I got one other message regarding a block notice...but no block. I always place the block first before I place the notice. I'm nurgling around during some downtime here at work and we're having a problem with one of the routers. It's causing all sorts of weird reactions, including false virus alerts. Thanks for letting me know. PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you stealing my favorite bands from my brain? The Doors, Zep, Nirvana, The Who. Tell me you hate Jethro Tull, Eagles and Beatles I'll take the tinfoil cap off ;> Doctalk04:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the Beatles stuff now sounds seriously over-produced, though you must agree they were about the most influential band there ever was. We were into Tull back in the day but I don't listen to it any more. Eagles? Meh. --Diannaa(Talk)05:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Oh, by the way, Jim Morrison was practically my dad, listend to him more than my real dad, took his words to heart in many ways. [reply]
Okay - R.E.M. (especially the first several albums). Hate 'em: cap comes off for sure. And as for Morrison: been to his grave and chilled with the other fans there in Père Lachaise ;>Doctalk05:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Who is this REM? have never listened to em what-so-ever. I could not even tell you the name of one of their songs. So I have no opinion. --Diannaa(Talk)05:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So Doc, I listened to some R.E.M. and found the music lacking in complexity and pretty devoid of emotional content. Most of the songs don't have any key changes or even a proper bridge. In a word: Drek. Now, what was this about a foil hat? --Diannaa(Talk)19:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you got four of my favorite bands in common: we all have diverging tastes. One of my favorite Nirvana songs is this one - definitely not one you hear on the radio often. The foil hat was just my twisted attempt at lame humor. Cheers :> Doctalk05:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, the foil hat, I get the joke; you are worried that you might actually like me and have stuff in common with me, which totally gets in the way of your finely-honed sense of vendetta. Well sorry, the world is not always black and white. Nevermore That's the album I listen to. I like all the tracks on that album except "Polly". They don't play much Nirvana on my radio station: listen online. --Diannaa(Talk)05:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Heh - I never didn't like you, and have never said otherwise. I don't dislike him for that matter: but IAR is often seriously misconstrued. There are rules at work, rules when driving a car, rules of public conduct: we all have to live by the rules. We can't run down the street naked even if we really, really wanted to. I hate stopping for stop signs when there's no one around, but I stop for them because if I don't, that will be the time I get a ticket. Don't believe the hype - I'm not here mainly for "the hunt". No vendetta, I promise. Your music posts are almost always good - I enjoy seeing them! Cheers Doctalk05:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well this Diff of User talk:Risker sure looks like vendetta to me, as did this. So sure, people should follow the rules, but it's not appropriate for you to be hunting him all over Sout-East Asia with the hopes of reporting him to Arbcom for violations of his restrictions. That's vendetta. Please, as a personal favour for me, just stop now. Sincerely, --Diannaa(Talk)15:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's out of my hands, and never was in my hands to begin with at all - but I can guarantee to you that I haven't contacted any admin concerning this situation off-wiki anytime recently. Many moons ago I sent an e-mail to one admin; but I stayed completely away from the A/R/C case. What I can guarantee is that I never commented on this thread with anything concerning him, only music. Of course I am trying to "break the ice" with you as a result of that situation, but remember that we are both extreme late-comers to this situation, since I joined the project in Feb. 2008 and you joined in Oct. 2009. He predates us both by a long shot. Like two co-workers that opposed each other in a trial: we both work for WP (and its rules) and should respect each others' differing opinions on this matter and move on. I have no problem with that at all and don't know why he should have been brought up in this thread. If I can't talk to you about music or the Bundy article without him coming up, I don't know what else to say. Best, Doctalk06:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
GOCE May 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs
There were 63 signups for the drive; of these, 45 participated. Although we did not award a bonus for articles from the Requests page this drive, we are not experiencing lengthy delays in getting the articles processed. Many thanks to editors who have been helping out at the Requests page and by copy editing articles from the backlog.
Progress report
During the month of May we reduced the backlog by approximately 10%, and made remarkable progress on eliminating articles tagged from 2009. There are now only 15 articles left, down from the 415 that were present when the drive started. Since our backlog drives began in May 2010 with 8,323 articles, we have cleared more than 54% of the backlog. A complete list of results and barnstars awarded can be found here. Barnstars will be distributed over the next week. If you enjoyed participating in our event, you may also like to join the Wikification drives, which are held on alternate months to our drives. Their June drive has started.
Coodinator election
The six-month term for our first tranche of Guild coordinators will be expiring at the end of June. We will be accepting nominations for the second tranche of coordinators, who will also serve a six-month term. Nominations will open starting on June 5. For complete information, please have a look at the election page.
Revdel requested for recent IP edits (vandalism) at Edward Norton, naming a private person and providing enough location information to allow identification. Appears to be standard adolescent pranking intended to embarrass the target. Thanks. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 14:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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A question
Hello, Diannaa! I stumbled upon your user page while doing some work for the Wikification drive. I notice that you're a member of WikiProject Military History, so maybe you can answer a question for me. I was about to Wikify Radiation Training when I grew suspicious of its content. It doesn't reference any outside sources, and when I Googled it to see whether it really is what the article says it is, I found no related results. I did click the external link in the article, which is only a blog. Have you ever heard of "radiation training" (not to be confused with radiation safety training) or encountered it in other military articles you've edited? I'm a new user, so I don't want to overstep my boundaries and tag it for deletion if it really is legitimate and just unreferenced. I do, however, suspect that the whole article is just original research. What do you think about it? Armadillopteryx (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure it's related to the military at all. It looks like original research, or a seldom-used terminology. Without sources it is pretty unverifiable. When I check Google I can't find anything on it, either. The article is sitting there unedited and unread since it was placed in the encyclopedia. Nominating it for deletion is a good idea. --Diannaa(Talk)04:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hope you had a good weekend as well - mine turned a bit sour on me lol, we had work problems which meant I spent 14 hours driving around England on Saturday ferrying staff around and then had to spend another 3 hours on Sunday which messed my whole internet weekend up, as I had a visitor for most of the rest of the day. I have got today off though to make up :¬)
I think that's all the bstars done and I have removed my votes (DOH! *blushes*) from the elections page.
Are you standing for the lead-coordinator role? If not, I am afraid I am going to have to add that you are (and put several votes in there!) Chaosdruid (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! Yeah, I can carry on in the Lead coordinator role (I will add a note to that effect on the election page), but I am gonna try to spread the work around more than has been done in the past. Well I better log off, I have to be at work in 30 mins. TTYL --Diannaa(Talk)14:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Diannaa, I noticed that you manually added a tab for the July 2011 Backlog elimination drive to every single GOCE page. Wouldn't it be easier if we made the tab bar into its own Guild subpage (kind of like this page) and just updated that so it wouldn't be so tedious to update the tab bar? The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs22:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Utahraptor. Thanks for the suggestion. Each tab set is unique to that page, as that is how we get the proper tab highlighted to indicate which page you are currently on. So I don't think that idea would work for this style of tab set. There might be a way to do it though for all I know :) I just dont have teh skills. --Diannaa(Talk)22:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. We also run up against a barrier with this particular tab set: each set can only have nine tabs. So the subset for the Drives is now full, and we will have to create another subpage for some of them, creating an archive of some kind, before we set up the September drive. --Diannaa(Talk)23:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've thought of something. Perhaps we could put links to all of the 2010 drives into one subpage, and links to all of the 2011 drives into another subpage, and we could create two tabs, one for 2010 and one for 2011, linking to those subpages. Does that sound good? The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs23:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That would definitely work. It would take a long time to run out of tabs using that method. Or, we could put a tab for as many drives as we have space for (seven drives) and a tab for the FAQs and then a tab called "Drive archives" that leads to a page similar to this page. Which way do you think would be easier to set up and maintain? I suppose there are other methods too --Diannaa(Talk)23:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Both ideas are good and will most definitely work, but I think my idea would be easier to set up. If you think about it, with the drive archive idea, you'd have to remove the link to the oldest drive from every Guild subpage every two months, but with my method, you'd only have to update the tabs once a year, rather than once every two months. As soon as I finish eating dinner, I'll get to work setting up our new idea. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs23:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The tab set will have to be updated monthly regardless, because we need to have a tab for the current drive on the main drive page. We could put a tab for each year's drives that goes to an archive page for that year. That will use up four tabs (current drive, FACs, 2010, 2011) and won't have to worry about running out of tabs until 2016 or something. Let me know what further ideas you think of. --Diannaa(Talk)00:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Add - I didn't see your warning to them after they posted this comment before I brought this up to you - thanks for doing that. This user strangely decided to address Crohnie instead of me with this edit. Baffling, harassing and clear indication of a seriously incompetent editor who can't even bother to check their own block log or determine who is or isn't an administrator. And the comments on my talk page following this are just more disruption. Cheers... Doctalk06:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is not enough for a block here right now. That's the short story. Though DeadSend4 will probably not last on this wiki as they seem temperamentally unsuited. I looked through a lot of the diffs for the block they received in April and they are not one of the people who get it. And the edits to the Cate Blanchett article are not improvements; they are the opposite of improvements. But I am not gonna edit there so I can remain available to help admin-wise if needed. Ok. Now I am going to fearlessly wander into TLDR territory here, and give you three an analysis of the recent events and what could have been done differerently to avoid or minimise the drama.
DeadSend4 returns to the wiki after a months absence and posts on Crohnie's talk demanding that she fulfill a promise to collaborate on the Blanchett article. But when he begins to actually edit the article, it becomes apparent that what he has in mind is a full re-write. The article does not actually need a full re-write and doing one when it is not needed will actually not be a helpful thing to do. People don't like wholesale changes. What you need to do here, is if you have further sourced information, add that to the article along with your sources and leave the rest alone.
DeadSend4, a quick look at Crohnie's edit history in the last six weeks or so would have showed you she is not actually doing intense work on articles at this time. Crohnie did not collaborate with other editors on the Blanchett article or any other article during the last six weeks so the notion that you are intentionally being excluded from ongoing discussions is untrue. (It is also untrue that she was somehow responsible for your block.) Your whole approach here was wrong; you come across as demanding and needy, and people are not going to want to work with you on articles if you exhibit these unpleasant traits, so sorry.
When Crohnie sees the posts by DeadSend4 she responds, but she also reports the post to several other users. This leads to a bunch of drama on several different talk pages. DeadSend4 apologised at one point, but rather than accepting the apology and getting on with writing an encyclopedia, Crohnie copies the remarks to her talk page and invites people to continue this non-productive discussion for yet another day. This behavior has predictable results: DeadSend4 posts an incredibly ill-considered remark on her talk page. (He then removes the worst part of the post when asked to do so.) So the take-away message to Crohnie: you over-reacted here when you solicited help from four different users, and made the editing environment here worse, not better, with your reaction to DeadSend4's behaviour. When someone apologises in the future, please grab that opportunity to graciously stop teh drama.
Doc9871, some of your actions have been helpful here, and some, not so much. I admire your intention to protect your friend from what you perceive as an attack, but your remarks were a little too judgemental and aggressive, and this fed the drama machine rather than shutting it down. The last exchange on your Talk shows that both you and DeadSend4 insist on having the last word. If he gets the last word, it doesn't mean he was right. If doesn't mean anything at all, in fact. You could just disengage. I do it all the time. Not so hard once you get the hang of it.
Opportunities to disengage:
Crohnie: the best time to drop this was when he apologised. Instead, you copied the remarks to your talk, which only kept the drama rolling.
Doc: you could have disengaged at any time, by letting DeadSend have the last word. Just quit poking him.
DeadSend4: Same. Continuing to return to Doc's talk page and posting unproductive remarks and then laughing about it is trolling.
Ok, behavioural changes for DeadSend4: People won't want to work with you if you seem demanding or needy. People don't like wholesale changes to the articles for no reason. Talk page discussion should not be "I'm going to make a wholesale re-write if no one objects". What you need to do is propose your changes, one at a time, and give a valid reason for your change. If you can't come up with a valid reason why your version is better than the old version, then don't change it. Don't even propose it. Take the time to learn a bit about the people you are collaborating with on articles. Look at Crohnie's edit history and you will see her actions are in a holding pattern right now of protecting a few favourite articles from vandals and participating in political discussions. That's all. It is obvious her health is precarious and you would be better off taking that into account when dealing with her, or at least demonstrating that you have taken the time to find out that fact. It would show that you care, and would lead to a more pleasant editing experience. Would you speak to an ill person this way in real life? Think about it. Refusing to walk away from the discussion and repeatedly posting on Doc's talk page was a form of trolling; your mocking laughing tone demonstrates that. There is not enough for a block at this time, but you're in a precarious situation here, and need to demonstrate that you are capable of improving the encyclopedia and of working well with others, or your time here will soon draw to a close. --Diannaa(Talk)15:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since DeadSend4's page is on my watchlist, I found this too. This looks like a succinct summary of the goings-on in the last few days, and when DeadSend4 asked me for advice I cringed at the section that occurred on the article talk page. I had not seen what happened on Doc's talk page, though I did see and reply to one such section on Chronie's page while I was there regarding the relationship between a particular editor and DeadSend4. If this does still end up going to AN/I, however, please let me know as I will feel it an ardent duty to participate. CycloneGU (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Diannaa, I could have handled this a little bit better but I have to admit my shock at being called out like I was after being pretty inactive for awhile. I contacted Tenabrae because I saw this editor had a situation earlier while I was gone so I was hoping things could be calmed by this editor, wrong call I guess, sorry. As for the others, I have earned their respect and they spoke on my behalf due to their experiences with me. After I calmed down and got a bit more strength I read Doc's talk page and realized that DeadSend4 was feeding off the attentions, both good and bad. That is when I decided to archive and strike things and to also ask Doc to do the same thing so that an end could be put to all of this. I am personally done with it all. I agree that the article does not need a rewrite and said so long ago thus my request for the user to talk to the active editors on the article, which at that time was not me. I just did some vandal corrections but overall I was pretty quiet during this time with all articles. Thank you again and I hope this all finally stops. --CrohnieGalTalk17:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you CrohnieGal, for taking my criticisms with good grace. Your comments above are perceptive and accurate. I am just going to wrap up some edits and will be off to do some RL things for a few hours. TTYL --Diannaa(Talk)17:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe she can take your "poking" IP-hopping pal's criticisms of her with as much good grace after she was "dumb" enough to wish him well. I know I wouldn't. No reason whatsoever for him to show up there but to disruptively harass in a situation completely unrelated to him. I'll never understand your unwavering defense of him wherever he rears his head, but like I've always said: you don't know him like I do. Cheers, and thanks for the advice... Doctalk08:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know I could have handled things better but I also know I didn't do anything wrong nor did I start all of this garbage. But now I have to read a WP:Soap below that isn't stopped and the above about being useless. I don't know why you aren't taking control of all of this but someone needs to or is it the goal of everyone to make sure there are less editors here? I'm going to look around but I think it's AN/i time to sort this out and I hate going there. Thanks to all of you for making it so fun to be here, not. I have earned the rights to be treated with civility and no personal attacks. Since my return that's all I'm getting is uncivil behavior and personal attacks. I'll let you know when and where the AN/i post is if it's not there already. Be well, --CrohnieGalTalk12:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just an FYI, I have removed the two threads from my archives and have requested help from an administrator since you don't seem interested in helping stop all of this. I'm sorry but I did nothing to deserve the treatment I am receiving and deserve help to get it to stop. --CrohnieGalTalk14:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually Crohnie, I thought the DeadSend4 thing was going quite well. You don't have to read or respond to the epic thread he posted below. I have already responded by offering to critique his re-write of the lead, and have posted something on the article talk page. He has not yet responded to my input, and has been idle for nearly a full day now. I will send you an e-mail. --Diannaa(Talk)15:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"What you need to do is propose your changes, one at a time, and give a valid reason for your change." You guys never ever ever ever ever read what I have to say! What kind of trash is this? You don't like that I want to re-write the entire article? Do you not see the examples of other LONGER articles? This is seriously ridiculous. None of you, NONE, of you see what I've been trying to add to the Blanchett article. This is what happens, someone complains about me, then someone looks through my edits and THINKS they know the situation, and now to hear that 'Cate Blanchett article are not improvements; they are the opposite of improvements.' Show me these non-improvements show them to me right now! Do me a favor and look at the difference between 2006 and present on Christina Aguilera's article and YOU tell me if I made non-improvements. This is disgusting that I am still being treated like this, you wonder why I get so upset and it's because all of you think you know the situation. What's worse, my edits are taking a backseat, not only that, now I'm being told that my edits make no sense. This is just stupidity and ridiculous. I want to make edits to the article not constantly having to defend myself. Diana, I don't appreciate you saying that my edits are not improvements. Do me favor and look at some of the edits I made before making a mess of a statement. I thought out of all the people attacking me (excluding CycloneGU who has helped me), you'd have some sense, but nope. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are all against me, I get it now. It's HILARIOUS you guys say "oh the article doesn't need a rewrite" really? You don't think it does. I didn't want to do this but since NO ONE EVER READS WHAT I WRITE I'm going to repost this. Again, I've been told 'don't post in caps' 'don't post in bold' 'don't do this blah blah blah', but you are all so blinded by how much you hate me that you ignore everything else. Oh and I also get the 'you shouldn't write in such big texts, it's hard for me to read' so is it because ya'll are lazy? You guys are from another world if you think I'm about to let you tell me the article doesn't need a re-write, who are YOU to say that when it does need a rewrite and you never bothered to look at what I contributed to the page.
READ THIS FOR CHRIST SAKE!
As many or those who don't many of my edits have been reverted, most notably Nicole Kidman and this very article. My edit was reverted due to "overlinking, information in the article didn't match the link" along with other issues that were brought up. Now maybe said things are true, but I did not purposely include that and if there are any mistakes that I am not aware of please inform me so we can go through with the article. I have several things I want to expand in the article as can be seen in my edit. I would like to start a detailed, section by section, sentence by sentence (if needed) to discuss my proposed changes, opinion and collaborate coming to a happy medium that satisfies our feelings towards this article.
Many of you who reverted or had a problem with my edits didn't have the time to revert at least one of my edits that had correctly sourced information. So it would be better if I just take my own time to contribute the hours of my own work into this article. I've mentioned this before, I think the major reason as to why my edits are reverted is because of the overwhelming amount of information I include during the duration of two/three days (I don't do this all at once as I've been told I do). It's kind of when an old person watches a very intense action film, they are so overwhelmed and confused with what's going on they shut off the TV and leave. Not that I'm comparing anyone to old people this was the only analogy I can think of and I had just seen a recent SNL skit. ;) People see my edits and would rather revert the whole thing rather than break it down themselves. It happens. It can also be interpreted as me trying to "overrate" or "PR" their articles. But that I'm not. I'm only trying to give the article more useful information rather than the non-informative sentence that reads, "She starred in the film The Good German released in 2004." Where my edit mentioned it was a film noir, opposite George Clooney and was a commercial and critical failure. That was an edit that was reverted. Although it expanded the miniscule sentence to include more useful information whether good or bad. Just an example of the many things I would like to contribute to this article. The amount of sentences and citations I add overwhelms everyone so I'm doing the next best thing and writing here I'm sure many of you will collaborate and thus making this article better than it currently is.
As of today I'm not going to add anything into the article I am going to wait and see what everyone's feelings and opinions are. As well as showing me examples of some of the mistakes I may have made in the article. With that said, I want everyone to take a minute and quickly glance and skim through the following articles of these actresses if you haven't. Amy Adams, Mila Kunis, Kristen Bell, Scarlett Johansson, Anne Hathaway, and Keira Knightley. What do all these actresses have in common? They are all young (aside from Adams) and have all been acting much less than Blanchett and lastly their pages are filled if not double with information, properly sourced with no hanging sole sentences in their articles. Adams in particular is sectioned and has her films and awards noted along with many other pieces of information. Again, these are all actors who have barely broken into mainstream Hollywood, and even at that have not reached in my opinion the same amount of critical acclaim that Blanchett has been receiving since 1999. Though Hathaway and Adams have recently been receiving acclaim. What's my point? These actresses have lengthy well-executed and written articles, Blanchett does not. It still looks messy and there are many citations needed (many of which I found and properly sourced but were reverted). So I am 100% certain no one here would like to keep her page short and expand it (which is what wiki does). Especially because she's one of our most respected actresses of our generation. So now that you have gone through their articles you can see the difference in format. I invite you all to help me and help the article in giving it the attention that it needs. It only took me 2 days to contribute what I did and will probably take up to half a month if we collaborate but it will be worth it in the end. :) I await all of your responses to my expansion project. Have a great weekend. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To Doc, honey, if you can't stand the heat then stay out the kitchen. Remember you came TO ME, I never knew who you were, and now you run and whine about me. Man up and fight your own battles. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, DeadSend4. I will post an analysis of your changes to the lead on the Blanchett article later (watch for it on the article talk page). Right now I am working on an article from this list. I am one of the few volunteers who is working on those copy edit requests, and one of the people who runs that wikiproject, so your request will have to be fit in with my other responsibilities. And right now I have a long list of important RL chores such as yard work, dog walk, banking, and grocery shopping to get through, so I'll TTYL. --Diannaa(Talk)18:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thank you. It shouldn't have to resort to this, but anyways, just to let you know, what I've posted on the talk page is just a fraction of what I want to do with the article. I look forward with working with you, finally someone who is willing to collaborate with me. DeadSend4 (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be able to stay with you on the article over the long term. I have too many other things already on the go. Please consider applying for a mentor. There is a list of available people at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. --Diannaa(Talk)19:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I wouldn't want you to do that anyways, just as long as you see where I'm coming from. I just want to be able to work on the article as I have been wanting and trying to do. I just was shocked when you said that the edits I'm proposing aren't important when there's other articles (who mind you are less relevant that Miss Blanchett) who has loads of information and bulk. But somehow, my edits are undeeded. Just seems like something really fishy is going on. Weeks ago I was told not to make edits because I'm being disruptive and what not. Now that I'm posting on the discussion page another excuse comes up, "well you're edits aren't really needed." Which makes me ask, do you even want me to contribute in the first place? At least that's what I'm getting. Again, not speaking about you, but to others who read this. DeadSend4 (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Diannaa has a WONDERFUL idea with the mentor suggestion. I don't think I could go that far on the basis of editing this type of article, I'm more a source of advice for how to behave on Wiki (even if I make small slipups from time to time myself, I can go back and say don't do this ^_~). As Diannaa suggests, having someone mentor you, especially during a period you think people are reverting your edits just because it's you, lets you get into a better and more respected editing behaviour. It's also multiple people working together on the same article, and if someone later tries to revert it, I'd be curious to see what happens to him. =) CycloneGU (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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No problem. I am done for the time being, but the article is very close to GA material, so I will continue to work on it in the near future. Please make sure the required citations are all in place as this was the reason it failed last time. --Diannaa(Talk)18:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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