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:Hi. If you think people are not catching full context of a conversation, it may be helpful to supply diffs. :) I'm very happy to see that Demiurge agrees with my stance that people on both sides of the copyright question should be treated courteously. That's a standard that I think must not be allowed to slip. Everyone who wants to improve Wikipedia should be encouraged to contribute in line with community standards; editors are not disposable. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
:::For the record, I agree with your stance, and I also support apple pie, motherhood, and the flag. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<font style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> '''Kiefer'''</font>]].[[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|Wolfowitz]]</span></small> 12:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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Ummm, it's me again .... copyvio and all sorts of concerns
Heya! I've come across some stuff which bothers me - dropped a message about it over at Village Pump (misc). I think it needs copyvio people as well as others on this job - could take a while to clear up (and it's too big for me!) Cheers, Pesky (talk …stalk!) 11:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes! I'm glad to see that this is getting a lot of attention. :/ I don't have time to help out there today, but I'll try to pitch in on the weekend, WP:CP allowing. I'm trying to keep that from getting too far behind. (Speaking of which, there are a couple of tickets over there that I'd like a second pair of eyes on. If any talk page stalkers feel like it. :) They're clearly marked on a couple of days in September.) --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Maggie - I've still been working through Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GiW, and I'm down to just two articles left. I've been through the article and tagged them both as having some OTRS-verified material, as well as removing some copyvios from other sites. However, they both have some bits and pieces that I can't verify as having come from anyplace specifically. I'm hoping that you or maybe some of your copyvio-expert TPSs may have better luck than me. Once the last remaining issues on these two articles are taken care of, I think this CCI can be closed. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Dave. :) He doesn't seem to have been blocked for copyright problems, but for sock puppetry and disruption. I see there have been a few issues with images, but all that I see left at a glance in his uploads are fair use. Can you give me some links to current issues? Or to recent problems with text? --Moonriddengirl(talk)10:56, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I'd really like to help, I'm afraid that I'm a bit time challenged these days. I really don't have time to dig deeply into people. :/ I'm glad to hear that Drmies is on it, though, and if there's diffs to current issues I'll be happy to open a CCI. I can try to take a look this weekend, when I have time off work, but I find I usually don't get much further than sweeping up the backlog at WP:CP, if I even make it through that. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :) But I'm not resting and relaxing, I'm working. :D I spend more time living and breathing Wikipedia now than I ever did before. It does make it hard to keep up. It can take me an hour or more to evaluate a contributor to see if a CCI is necessary. If I have a couple of current diffs, it's a lot easier for me to invest it, when I've got soooo much other work piling up for me to do. :/ --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I want to ask you about those deletions: [1]. Could you clarify why that content did not pass OTRS permission ([2])? Thanks in advance :) GiW (talk) 18:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thank you for pointing that out; I will restore the information taken from that source. However, the diff you provide above includes information that was removed presumptively as well. The actual diff (which I will undo) is this one. --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OTRS help
We have two GORGEOUS images of the new queen of Bhutan, but they've just been tagged for deletion as missing permission. We got permission from the king's press office for one great image of him, so I'm guessing they're behind (or would be supportive of) the new uploads. Could you email the address associated with the prior OTRS ticket and ask them about File:20110506-IMG_2120.jpg and File:20110507-AH9Q2379.jpg? I just sent out messages to the person I'm pretty sure is the photographer in a variety of places, but I'm not sure if he's the copyright holder. Would be very sad to end up having to delete these! Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:07, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Moonriddengirl, this is Survir. I really need your help to resolve the following issue. Following page Saath Nibhaana Saathiya is constantly being moved to Saathiya (TV series). This is not the original title of the series. The series is known as Saath Nibhaana Saathiya [Source: the official site of the series and all the internet articles associated with the title]. Furthermore, Saathiya (TV series) cannot be used for the title for Saath Nibhaana Saathiya, since there was a television series earlier on Sahara One channel by the name Saathiya (with the tagline Pyaar Ka Nayaa Ehsaas). This series was always known as Saathiya without the tagline; therefore, the wiki page title on this series should have been Saathiya (TV series). However, someone created the article page on Sahara One's series with the following title, Saathiya – Pyar ka Naya Ehsaas. Now, my question is can you please move the page [[Saathiya (TV series) to Saath Nibhaana Saathiya and move the page Saathiya – Pyar ka Naya Ehsaas to Saathiya (TV series). Also, please move the talk pages associated with each articles as well. By the way, follwing user User:Avenue X at Cicero has left a message on the talk page Talk:Saathiya – Pyar ka Naya Ehsaas, saying that this series was known as with its full title including the tagline. This is very untrue. I have seen this entire series, and it was only known as Saathiya (additional source YouTube title song for both of the series'). He/she also quoted "a Google seach would atleast mention the 2004 serial somewhere". This is not true as well, there are quite a few aritcle on Wikipedia, you just have to search as Saathiya Sahara One because there was a 2002 Bollywood movie with the title Saathiya. Furthermore, Indian television serials are not heavily promoted on Internet especially those of Sahara One channel, and this is the reason that there are not that many articles associated with the earlier series.
I will really appreciate your help. I don't want to get into an argument with anyone on Wikipedia by moving the pages again and again. I have already created the disambig page for Saathiya. Thank you! By the way, this page Saath Nibhaana Saathiya have a lot of issues if you notice, and most of the info is copied off of other sources. Survir (talk) 03:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Survir. You don't have any option but to talk to the other contributor; this is required if you disagree with him. I have temporarily created a disambiguation page under the TV series name, but this is not a permanent solution. Wikipedia works by agreement, and you will each have the opportunity to convince the other or anyone else that may express an opinion on the title. Please contribute to Talk:Saathiya – Pyar ka Naya Ehsaas. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It does seem to conflict. And I am myself pretty uncomfortable in the whole area. :/ I'll make a note there, but I suspect that it would get a lot more attention if it were placed at WT:NFC. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting me know. I've created a form letter that can be dropped on students' talk pages if they have persisting issues that may clarify the problem for them. I also tried turning that into a template, but for some reason only the "comments" optional parameter functions. I'm not so good with templates. :) For now, it's at User:Moonriddengirl/Uw-copyright-new and it is usable, if not fully functional. The language in the template version is a bit more developed than the "form letter" version.
I don't really have more time to put into it at the moment, but I'll let people at that conversation know. If they think it has value, maybe somebody will help fix it up. Otherwise, well, it'll have value to me. :) It's not my first self-created template hosted in my userspace. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all your efforts. User:Voceditenore, who is in fact our Wikipedia opera specialist, spent an hour removing all the copyvios from the article and did a gallant job just to be left with a stub that duplicates the content of an existing article. He deserves a medal for this an the other work he's put into this and other IEP issues. The biggest problem is that we can't have our regular editors tying up their time on issues like these. I've spent another five hours on it to day as well. Clearly the IEP ambassadors must do more checking rather than handing out barnstars and Wikilove for articles that have to be deleted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this has been a huge mess, but I think (speaking completely as Moonriddengirl the volunteer) that what we're going to need to do is assess the overall state of the situation to see what we can do about it on our end. Having worked copyright for ten billion years or so on Wikipedia, I know that you can talk until you're blue in the face to some people, explaining over and over again how copyright works, and they still will not get it. It stands to reason to me that the IEP and other campus programs are going to get some of those people, especially if they're only here for a grade. Those people, we have no choice but to block.
We might also expect that some of the ambassadors are going to be more diligent at looking for copyright problems than others. I think barnstars and Wikilove are probably not a problem as long as the ambassadors and students giving and getting them are among the ones who "get it". Our challenge is probably in figuring out which ambassadors do not get it and helping them get it—either by teaching them about copyright issues themselves (if that's the problem) or teaching them to be effective copyright-issue patrollers. I don't have time right now, but if you think it would be helpful, I'd be happy to draw up some form letters or templates that we could give ambassadors when we know that students they are mentoring have violated these policies undetected. This not only gives us the opportunity to repair the issue, but it would also help us identify potentially weak spots in the chain. If an ambassador continues to have students violating policy and does not seem to be helping the situation, the problem may be with that ambassador.
Alternatively, somebody may want to talk to the programme heads about educating ambassadors about "copyright detection 101"--and that's where I fall into a weird position with my dual roles. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, no Kudpung, "She deserves a medal..." ;-) I'm a woman, despite my rather misleading user name. Don't worry, most people think I'm a "he". I always thought my discourse style was obviously feminine, but maybe not...
It took me a while to figure it out. :D I find that having "girl" in my username eliminates all most doubt. (Even though that's nothing to do with my choice of it.) I also find that it doesn't always lead to good places. :/ Voceditenoregirl would have just been awkward, though. --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Random comment from talk-page stalker...) Wow, I also didn't realize that you were a woman! Three women talking together on Wikipedia, what are the odds?... Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There's a heap of us! Me, too! And some who contribute to my talk page ..... All us females coming out of the closet, look ... noooooo! We are NOT the bogeyman! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 04:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Adding: those surveys are very misleading! Females are either (1) less likely to fill in the surveys, and / or (2) less likely to admit to being female when they do fill in those surveys! And, without outing anyone, I personally know of about a dozen who hang out in IRC regularly, as well, all unbeknownst to most! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 04:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, MRG. In my gnoming of the same set of topics I suspect are rife with paste-ins, I've come across this one: Integrated accounting system, with a sibling in Non-integrated accounting system. For the former article, I straight-googled "Obviously, then there will be no separate sets of books for Costing" (I've downcased a inappropriate caps in the article, but it matched those caps exactly in:
I'd have left it as a possible mirror, except for the date! I've watchlisted the articles, so I'll see if you perform any actions, to learn. Thanks again. Tony(talk)13:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I made some decently big changes to this message. I basically gutted the section on PD/CC works, because the odds that students are using these are extremely low and it is likely to cause confusion. Instead, I put a note at the bottom saying that there are rare exceptions, and if you think the article you want to use is an exception, ask at the help desk. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, another BOI failure of copyright. I have tagged the article and made a note on the talk page pointing to your essay, but you may want to take this a step further. Cheers --Fæ (talk) 16:39, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have been attempting to add 6 Honor Societies to the Fordham University Wiki site for days now. These 6 Honor Societies Fordham is a member of as seen in the membership section of The American Honor Society website. Alpha Iota Delta is the honor society for Information Sciences (computer) and lists Fordham as a member. I am an active alumni for 30 years and check my facts before I post on Wiki.
May I ask why you keep deleting it? Are you deleting the other 5 societies I added?
Hi. :) I haven't edited the Fordham University article, so it is difficult for me to say what issues are, but looking at comments in the article history, I would say that it seems people feel the list is too long and is overwhelming the article. ([4]) I'm afraid that these kinds of disagreements are not uncommon. You're quite right to reach out for an explanation, but your best bet would be to take it up at Talk:Fordham University, where involved contributors can respond. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution includes some tips for how to get neutral outsiders to weigh in, if consensus can't be reached.
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Hello Moonriddengirl, this is Survir. Can you please help me protect the following page List of programs broadcast by Star Plus. This page is constantly being vandalized by the same IP address that I have told you about earlier. He/she keeps adding made up names to the list of programs. Earlier you Semi-protected the page, and that really helped. The page was fine until the protection was removed. Can you please fully protect the page, if you can. I will really appreciate your help. Thank you! Your friend Survir (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I decided to have a break from NPP and go reflinking on old linkrot-tagged pages ..... already CSD G12'd a couple of things ....
and including The Superhero in the Alley (Bones episode), which seems, unfortunately, to have been a straight lift from a site no longer in existence (bonestvseries.net).
Fing is, though, fing is, if this one was a straight lift - how many others are? Wayback Machine is unhelpful, though it does show the kinda thing which was appearing on the site, you can't actually get to this darned episode! So, who's up for some nice police work now that clever sniffer-Wolfcub has found one for you :D "Clever doggy, give the nice doggy a biscuit"[Gaspode, Pratchett]. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 16:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Was all of the material added by the same editor? If so just start a wp:CCI and we can nuke from orbit everything that is even remotely suspicious. If we are dealing with a variable IP or single use socks I wouldn't even know where to start cleaning that up. Also, how did you determine it was a copyvio with no source in the first place? Yoenit (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. This one is a bit tricky. :) I've restored the article (which Fastily speedily deleted), but tagged it with {{copyvio}} while we work through this.
The website in question displays October 2010 as the earliest dated item, and I note that it credits the Wikimedia Foundation at the top listing of the archived set. The article itself was created in February 2010, and I believe it was copied from Wikia, which is compatibly licensed (but was not credited). That said, it is so much too long that I believe it crosses the line into potential infringement simply based on the amount of detail, particularly given the absolute lack of critical commentary.
Articles about television shows are a chronic copyright problem. People liberally copy episode summaries from other sources, and reverse infringement is also rampant. Typically, if an article is listed at CP, I will check other uploads by the same user, as Yoenit suggests. But frankly I think we lack the manpower to do the thorough scour that television articles in general would require. If I'm thoroughly investigating a summary list, it can take me hours. :/ --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) You would have to file a report at wp:SPI, which is so complex I have still no idea how it works despite trying it three times. Those guys should really work on their accessibility, although I suppose it helps in keeping the number of frivolous reports down. /rant off. Luckily it seems the sock is already blocked in this case. Yoenit (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They really do need to work on their transparency. At this point, I feel like the obscurity of the process is purposeful so that blocks can be enacted on certain people without having evidence for it. I have yet to be shown that this opinion isn't true. And don't even get me started on "behavioral" evidence... /rant SilverserenC03:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that filing at SPI is pretty complex. I'm never 100% sure that I'm doing it right. I don't watch the process anywhere near enough to know about transparency issues, but, Silver, I have to admit I got kind of a laugh out of the juxtaposition of these thoughts: "I feel like the obscurity of the process is purposeful so that blocks can be enacted on certain people without having evidence for it. I have yet to be shown that this opinion isn't true." Maybe it's just because I'm barely awake still, but it struck me as funny since it implies in the first sentence a preferred standard of "innocent until proven guilty" and in the second "guilty until proven innocent." :)
In terms of behavioral evidence, I have not blocked a lot of socks myself, but those I have blocked have been almost universally blocked on behavioral evidence. Since I am not a CU, I don't have any other kind. :/ Fortunately, some people are pretty obvious. "Achmed Nuts of 321" didn't fall far from the tree. :/ I believe he may be still here as an IP; I'm looking into that. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if the IPs are Achmednut or an opportunist who saw his name on your talk page. :) We'll see if he comes back. Meanwhile, perhaps you might archive some of those older messages in case they're giving vandals ideas. :/ --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
3RR disagreement here. User has reverted my edits three times. I thought that the original version of the page must stay until disagreement was over. I don't believe the user is willing to continue a discussion. Jayy008 (talk) 18:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Jayy. :) Typically, per WP:BRD, the original version should stay, but the original version is the one preceding the edit that was reverted. That is, the one beforethis edit of yours. :) While the issue is hashed out, the original wording of "as" should be retained. That's the heart of the "bold, revert, discuss" cycle. You made a change; he objected and changed it back; now you discuss. Your bold change is the point where disagreement begins, and it doesn't stay in during the discussion. (That is, again, typically; if a bold change is to address copyright or BLP concerns, it's handled differently.)
In terms of the other changes, articles are not locked while content is disputed unless an edit war makes that necessary. I don't understand why, if your only argument is with the word "as", you have repeatedly undone all of his edits: [5], [6]. :/ This isn't a good approach, Jayy. It makes it look like you are being aggressive and not collaborating towards the improvement of the article. Even if this were a case where the change should remain (if you were removing a WP:BLP problem, for instance), you shouldn't undo all of the subsequent edits to put back in that one. You should target the specific concern.
At this juncture, your job is to bring in somebody else who will continue the discussion so that you can both avoid edit warring. You might try WP:3O. Remember to ask neutrally and to follow their directions, or you might not get a response. --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Moon. I just ran across this article and immediately sensed a copyvio. I did some digging and found the original, copyrighted source. After tagging it as a copypaste until I could check the whole text, I noticed that the account that created the article either is or represents the author of the book. I would normally ask the author to donate but it's a textbook so I'm guessing donating isn't easy. This is way outside of my realm of copyright knowledge. How do you suggest I proceed? Nominate for G12? Ask the user to submit an OTRS ticket? OlYellerTalktome00:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, at base it's unusable unless we get permission. If there is an assertion of authorship, G12 is not applicable, and I typically take usernames as a de facto assertion. :) In this case, we go through the WP:CP process, although I have created one of my own long-winded templates to notify in these cases at User:Moonriddengirl/vp. I've gone ahead and taken it through the process myself. :) If he doesn't verify in a week, the article will be deleted. The template I left him includes some suggestions for making sure material complies with policy; if it doesn't, we can take further steps then. Alternatively, I have seen articles AfDed while at CP, generally when people think that even if permission comes through it won't make the article worth keeping. If we do that, though, to avoid biting we should probably leave a custom notice to the contributor rather than the template, something just saying, "I have concerns that even if permission is provided this article does not meet our inclusion guidelines, so I have...." --Moonriddengirl(talk)11:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
IEP
Hi MRG. I've left a message on your other page, but I'll just address one of your points here: It may be worth exploring if there is a specific cultural element, as this can help us tailor our approach. This is indeed the crux of the matter, but one which I feel has been poorly understood by our western WMF people. It's also an issue that risks being avoided because of it's political correctness inferences. However, copyvio/plagiarism is endemic all across Asia. It is tolerated by everyone from students to the dean. I know, because I've lived and taught in universities here for nearly 13 years, and any amount of gathering of statistics won't assist in identifying this as a specific issue. It needs to be met head on by WMF representatives who travel to these countries to set up new education and outreach programmes, and they need to know how to address these cultural aspects 'the Asian way'. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm attending the meeting today, and I will try to make sure that this is properly addressed, although you do put your finger on the difficulty there. :) I've visited Asia, but not at any length and certainly not enough to get a feel for their approach to copyright, but what you say doesn't surprise me. As you know, I've been pretty much full time on copyright cleanup on Wikipedia for years, and some of our most troubled articles involve India, Pakistan, the Philippines, Bangladesh and China. In the case of India and Pakistan, I have actually seen government websites that have copied Wikipedia without acknowledgement. My typical approach when talking to people about copyright is to try to divorce it from any moral issues; it can be seen as shameful, and I don't find this constructive. So I emphasize that certain practices are unacceptable here. If this differs from "the Asian way" or you have any additional tips, I'm all ears. :) You've offered a lot of valuable input to this issue, and I'm not embarrassed to ask for more. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)10:47, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Stalking) That's an interesting concept, Moon. Divorcing the morality of plagiarism/copyvios is something that other editors and I see to be having trouble with. Several other editors including myself have had what might be called an emotional response to the wave of plagiarism and wondering how educational institutions involved with IEP can let this happen. Ultimately, feeling outraged or any sort of response based on our perception of morality is probably not constructive. As it seems that everyone involved thinks that WP is the number one priority here, morals regarding plagiarism can essentially be removed from the equation and our policies can be focused on.
Seeing it as a problem with the entirety of Asia is a bit of a broad brush. In the Nanjing University project, although we have seen quite a few copyvios, we didn't see anything near the level of problems that there have been with the IEP. We haven't seen students having to be blocked and then blocked again for copyvio; we haven't had problems with campus ambassadors and even instructors engaging in copyvio (although, we didn't have any campus ambassadors!)
The problems revolved more around formatting, notability, verifiability, failing to realise an article on a topic already existed, and a need for lots of copy-editing; some of these are common to any new editors, and the last is understandable when English is the students' second language. What we have seen with the Nanjing project is the additional problem that it is natural for these students to write in flowery, poetic terms, rather than neutral, factual terms. But an inappropriate tone is a lot less of an issue for Wikipedia than a flagrant copyright violation! Having said all this, the project "only" had 180 students, so was on a different scale.
Speaking of government websites not acknowledging use of Wikipedia, the Malaysian Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment has some problems with this as well (see Dugong, which we can presume is not the only example). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad to hear that it's not that widespread, Demiurge. (Another government lifting from us? Sigh. :/) OlYeller, it can be hard to avoid getting outraged. There are times when I feel myself getting huffy especially when working on particularly egregious CCIs, but I do think as you say that it's not a constructive approach. I've worked with enough people to know that many of them really intend no harm and some of them are very willing to work with us to overcome issues once they get past the initial shock. In fact, one of our early CCIs came back later to give me a barnstar for helping him, which means a lot to me. :) That said, I feel a bit differently about people who come back with sock puppets to continue violating our copyright policies. :/ If we've tried to work with them and they won't get it to the point that we have had to block them, they cross the line into a form of vandalism (imo) if they insist on editing anyway. --Moonriddengirl(talk)00:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know anyone that's good with image copyrights? Danger and I have been working on some extensive copyright issues at Data flow diagram that are stemming from one very persistent student. The source that I have found to be copied has several diagrams that the same student has recreated in some sort of Draw program and uploaded to WP for use in the article. You can see an example here. I stay away from picture copyvios because I'm not sure where the line between a copyright violation and ones own work is drawn. If you know someone I can speak to or a place that helps explain that line, I would be grateful if you could point me in that direction. OlYellerTalktome17:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Maggie - I've been working on Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Communicat, and again, am down to just a couple of articles that I can't finish off. I hope you don't mind me bringing them here when I've gone as far as I can - I just would hate to see the CCI's languish when there's only one or two articles holding them up. Anyway, the issue with the two articles left here is that they are sourced mainly to offline sources, and while the user has a lot of copyvio'd stuff (probably more than 75%), he also added some relatively decent stuff. So, I don't know where you draw the line when you presumptively remove content. Anyway, I hope you (or a TPS) can help, so that we can get this CCI closed up! Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't mind at all! I'm happy to see your progress. :) I don't have time to look at this tonight, but I hope to be able to wrap it up in the morning. (Note to me: try to wrap this up in the morning.) Great work. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)00:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
RfC
You are quoted several times at my RfC.
Alas, your statement that users typically discover copyright concerns in the course of investigating questionable content, suggesting AGF be applied to me, was not quoted.
Nor was my action (on every appropriate talk page) to state that you viewed the copyright problems at Freedom in the World as minor mentioned, by my critics. (I wrote something like "I do not lose sleep wondering why you rewrote an article that had no major copyright problems".)
Hi. If you think people are not catching full context of a conversation, it may be helpful to supply diffs. :) I'm very happy to see that Demiurge agrees with my stance that people on both sides of the copyright question should be treated courteously. That's a standard that I think must not be allowed to slip. Everyone who wants to improve Wikipedia should be encouraged to contribute in line with community standards; editors are not disposable. --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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