Talk:Atlantis

Lost stuff

I'm pretty sure there used to be something in this article about the relevance of Atlantis to "New Age" thinking, and I think there also used to be a summary section about references in modern popular culture; now there doesn't seem to even be a link to Atlantis in popular culture. I guess these losses are just due to the usual random article erosion, but probably are worth restoring. 86.160.219.177 (talk) 13:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Theory of events

A theory of the events of Atlantis has been proposed by Peter James Thompson. The method the Atlantians used to produce electricity was based on E=mc2, It is applied E=mc2 which causes electrical storms on earth, for a start, It is the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field spinning/moving through the Van Allen Belt creating energy and acting like a brake on the earth, preventing any increases in c*. In terms of common day E=mc2 think of the earth like a alternator in a car, the Earth is the "armature with a magnetic flux field", and the Van Allen belt is the "casing's stationary magnetic flux field winding". High school taught the more electrical load applied to a alternator the harder it is to turn. This directly applies to the earth and is the referred *"acts like a brake on the earth" affecting spin/rotation. In examples these conversions are in direct relationships to mechanical loads, speed/velocity, and electrical (energy) potential.

As the Earth's structure is a crust over a molten layer which surrounds a core, it is this molten layer that causes a weakness in the structure/earth when compared to a alternator's armature of solid metal, According to legend Atlantis was centrally located, the electrical distribution points were all over a area of a large city (small area compared to Earth's surface). With every building in this area having it's own ground stake (like a lightning rod) there was no main switch to shut down everything/anything. When the electrical load of the city exceeded the maximum electrical potential a series of events happened, In conversion of electrical energy (potential) heat is produced as well as the “braking effect” increases in direct relationships, this “braking effect” where the velocity decreases until the earth stalls. Stalling a alternator just stops the electrical output and burns out the components and windings, stalling the earth is far more complex, it will affect each layer's properties differently. To think of the effects of the Earth stalling, imagine a spinning counter wheel throwing out a chunk or shattering at high RPMs, or car/truck tyre, the effects are anything from a simple blow out of inner volume of air to a truck blowing out/off the whole tread. In terms of Atlantis, the heat and brake effect caused the areas of the loads (city) to super heat from below (bottom of the crust layer to surface), weakening the area (the factor of super heating likely due to a capacitance effect would not have been known or fore seen until it was too late). The blow out (massive explosion) of molten material in the vacuum of space would form a sphere. This sphere would be trapped at some point by the gravitational force of the earth (this considers a loss in velocity of material escaping the earth's gravity). This can explain what no one else can, why the moon exists and how it's properties have been exposed to huge amounts of heat and the earth has not (a theory of a huge solar flares), as well as what was it made from, formed and how did it get trapped in the earth's orbit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crackpot1234 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that a search for Mr. Thompson's name along with the word Atlantis turns up no reliable sources that discuss this theory, so inclusion of the theory in the article is not possible. Deor (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Proceedings of the 2nd International Conference on Atlantis held in Athens, November 2008.

I propose to put the following book in the part "Further reading" among "Modern sources"

Papamarinopoulos, S.T., Ed.(2011) Proceedings of the 2nd International Conference on “The Atlantis Hypothesis” (Atlantis 2008). Athens: Heliotopos Ltd. 766 pages. 79.84.177.31 (talk) 19:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

this section was deleted in by user DEOR for no reason whatsoever despite that it is VERIFABLE, NOATABLE, AND REFERENCED

I was worried to contribute to a super contentious article like this one. and yesterday my fears were certainly confirmed when someone got upset because it conflicted with their "pet" version of atlantis and removed all my hard work for no reason.

Pre-Platonic Atlantis myths

In Egyptian literature (Palermo Stone, Turin Papyrus, Egyptian Chronicles) there is a story about a lost civilization in the west which closely matches the later Greek Atlantis myth. This land was the home of race called the Auriteans and ruled by a succession of 10 kings. One of which, Thoth, came to to Egypt and was later deified as a god. A relief, accompanied by a description of "the loss of a drowned continent in the Western Ocean", is shown of Pillar Eight of the Great Hall of the Ramses temple at Karnak.

In Phonecian literature, the historian Sanchuniathon describe a continent in the west which was home to the "Aletean" people. It was ruled by 10 kings who lived in a capital of concentric rings of water and land. The place was later destroyed and sank into the ocean. One of the kings, Taautus is thought to correspond to the Egyptian god Thoth.

In Greek literature, the historian Hellanicus of Lesbos wrote Atlantis which describes a place called "Atlantis" founded by the god Poseidon and then by his firstborn son, Atlas. The historian, Herodotus, also indirectly mentions Atlantis in History (Book I, 202) by noting that the Atlantis Sea and Erythaean Sea are synonyms for the same body of water outside the strait of Gibralter.

In Sanskrit literature, Vishnu Purana tells of an island called "Atala" which was located in the ocean off the western coast of Africa between 24 and 28 degrees North Latitude. the capital of this Island was Tripura which was divided into three concentric rings of land and water.

I maintain that www.atlantisquest.com does not constitute a reliable source. Hellanicus is mentioned elsewhere in the article (under "Plato's account"), Herodotus' "indirectly mentioning Atlantis" has previously been discussed here, and the connection of the other material with Plato's Atlantis story is purely conjectural and unsupported in other than fringe sources. I'm indeed sorry that you worked hard on this, but not everything that you see on the Internet is reliable information. You might also try reading the Wikipedia articles you've linked—such as Sanchuniathon—more carefully. Deor (talk) 03:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I maintain that it does constitute a reliable source under the wikipedia guidelines and NPOV. BTW the article on Sanchuniathon states how his work has been validated recently. i suggest you read the articles yourself. the material is neither conjectural nor are the supporting sources fringe in any way.--Gurdjieff (talk) 04:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

AtlantisQuest does not meet our criteria as a reliable source. If this claim were true, Egyptologists would have written about it as well as serious scholars of Atlantis such as Castleden, Luce, etc. Leonard isn't a reliable source either. And Sanchuniathon doesn't discuss a place called Atlantis. Please don't replace this. Dougweller (talk) 05:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Atlantis was made-up by Plato who infused his story with the 'credibility' of supposed alien (Egyptian in this case) and immensely ancient wisdom with the intent to present political theories. As such, no pre-Platonic ATLANTIS myths can exist. 87.202.135.117 (talk) 07:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Fictional Atlantis

The late professor Willy Ley in his article "View over Atlantis" decided that Plato/Platon was using the invasion of the Sea People as the origins of his othwerwise fictional story of AtlantisAT Kunene (talk) 17:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

yes, true ignoramus but you must understand that atlantis is tracked by via civilization. Africa goes to israel, israel goes to india, india spreads into the human race. Now if you have a small island like sumatra my fine fured friend, you will have your genome! Pls refute me later. Atlantis is asian therefore you degenerated from a lemur for quite sometime. The Giants left you to breed in sumatra via atlantis through africa! The true cainanites are the greeks themselves whom made an ice-age caveman out of themselves. The cromagnums followed your giant hybrid traitor of a friend through the slavic kingdoms. This sumeria you speak of, is the last jericho or the garden of eden within a circle they created, Jericho! For the jews and a monkey named jehovah. Your race in your present form and mind, only a few hundred thousand years old! Be kind to the bush-finned trouts in fighting spirit, for you may enter it forever!--Murriemir (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)