Talk:Dwight Howard

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What critics said that his religion would get in the way of his ability to bang in the post? This seems like a silly arguement and I think that he has proved his ability to 'bang' with the best of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.149.139 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 14 July 2006

"Even NBA All-Stars Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan gush about Howard's amazing physique and seemingly unlimited potential: Duncan: "He is so developed...He has so much promise and I am glad that I will be out of the league when he is peaking." Garnett: "That kid (Howard) is a freak of nature, man...I was nowhere near that physically talented. I wasn't that gifted, as far as body and physical presence." http://www.nba.com/magic/news/chat_howard_060411.html" -- I don't think this has any place in 'personal life'. maybe it could be reduced to something like 'he has earned the praise of prominent players' or something... or maybe just cut altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.21.75.141 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 16 November 2006‎

Good Format

I really like this page, especially the "player profile" thing listing his skills, strengths and weaknesses. ! It helps you become acquainted with the player and really understand the impact he has on the game. I'd be interested to see this page format used for other players. I've put a ton of work into the Gary Payton page because I think he's one of those guys that you really have to see to understand, and it would be great if wikipedia could help describe the way these guys played the game in addition to their stats. Davemcarlson 11:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Man-Child

There seem's to be an attempt here to give diwght a nickname here ,that does not actually belong to him. dwight has been reffered to as a "man-child" numerous times but i do not beleive that this is an actual nickname of his. In addition a few other players in recent have been reffered to as a "man-child" as well, inclding lebron james and amare stoudemire so its not exclusively his. "Man-child" is a term used to describe him but it is not used as a nickname in the fashion of "king james" or "air jordan" etc. is. Duhon 23:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

gave the page a season-by-season breakdown format because his career does not span a long time yet, so this is the most appropriate for now. Chensiyuan 04:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

"Superman"

I can't find any references that actually state that Howard is referred to as "Superman". Usually, it's his "Superman" dunk. Can anyone provide a reference that supports this assertion? Rhindle The Red (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

TNT, All-Star announcers and ESPN are naming him Superman. --Twlighter (talk) 05:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a viable source that this is an ongoing thing and not something simply tied to the slam-dunk contest? Are people actually calling him "Superman" in other contexts? Rhindle The Red (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

At the conclusion of the Cavaliers' series against the Atlanta Hawks, when Lebron James was asked about the strengths of the two teams he might next face (the Magic or the Boston Celtics), when he spoke about the Magic he cited "Superman" as being the star player who would present the biggest challenge. I'm not a huge basketball fan and don't follow the Magic, so I didn't know he was referring to Dwight Howard and was surprised to find the nickname wasn't given in the lead of Howard's Wikipedia article. So, I'll add it. Robert K S (talk) 08:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

GA source

jockbio Chensiyuan (talk) 04:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Height

Dwight Howard is not 6-11 by any means; here is a photo of him standing next to a 6-10 Chris Bosh, assuming that such is his barefoot height and is not overlisted. Athletes, especially NBA players do tend to list overlist their height or their height in shoes to start with. Even with the camera advantage, on a completely level ground (a basketball court), DH is still about an inch shorter, which makes him about 6-08 barefoot, 6-09 in shoes but I'll assume that Bosh's height is listed as barefoot to give both the benefit of the doubt.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/HowardandBosh.jpg Rocky 19:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 29 July 2008

Original research. Absent a better source than nba.com it's all pure original research, which contravenes core policies. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

What about these photos here?

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1130/nba_a_jamehowa_580.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LBJandDwight.jpg

Looking very 6-9ish in both photos. Rocky 10:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 30 July 2008

I'm afraid you're missing the point. It is not a proper application of reliable sources. Chensiyuan (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You are correct - however, at the same time, any web designer runs the NBA.com page can type 6-11 but that doesn't necessarily make it so, just like if he had typed that Michael Jordan is a South Korean Albino with 4 arms and 1 leg doesn't make it true either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WP's primary concern is verifiability, not truth. As long as a piece of information is attributed to a reliable source, the deal's done. Where there are competing claims to the said information, that can be highlighted, provided they emanate from reliable sources. So your point about a S Korean MJ is hypothetical and does not advance your case. In any event, how do you determine (meaningfully) the height just by comparing photos? It would be approximation at best, without due consideration to a wide range of variables. Chensiyuan (talk) 06:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

none of u guys no how hes standing he could be slouching and hes taller than kendrick perkins the 6-10 center 4 boston and espn lists him as 6-11 also AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Decipher?　Chensiyuan (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Decipher what AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Forget all of the picture evidence. His DraftExpress profile has him measured as 6'9" (6'10.25" in shoes): http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwight-Howard-2888/ --Criticalthinker (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Dwights kid

Does dwight really have a kid. that seems hard to believe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuhmatthew (talk • contribs) 21:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Because? I don't know the answer, but why do you say so? Chensiyuan (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Chensiyuan, looks like the Orlando Sentinel link on his kid has gone stale, I couldn't find it through a search on their site. Looks like this will be the best alternative from a bit of Googling: http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/stories/2008/03/28/howard_0329.html?cxntlid=inform_artr -- I'll update it unless you can find something better. MKV (talk) 12:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Why is there so little info on his kid and Royce Reed? There should be a whole section on it.24.130.173.102 (talk) 23:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing stopping you from contributing. Chensiyuan (talk) 05:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

The article states Howard had a kid with "ex-girlfriend" Royce Reed, but I believe it should read "then-girlfriend." Zepppep (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

voted orlando's worst non-tipper

He is known for not tipping anyone. He feels that meeting him is a privilege an tip in it's own right. I do not agree with that thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rthomas1462 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Please avoid abstraction? Chensiyuan (talk) 15:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

wats up dwight i put 3,000 i kan beat u in basketball —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.127.1.220 (talk) 20:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit semiprotected) Delete:Off the court, Howard is a devout Christian who contributes substantially to philanthropic causes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajhno (talk • contribs) 06:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Leading the league in games played/started per season

I noticed there was an edit war between Chensiyuan (talk · contribs) and Hoops gza (talk · contribs) over whether the fact that Howard "led" the league in games played/started in a season with 82 should belong in career highlights, and whether it should be framed as "led the league".

I've removed it for a couple of reasons:

1. NBA.com's individual statistics page keeps track of season leaders in Scoring, Field Goal %, Rebounds, Free Throw %, Assists, 3 Point %, Steals and Blocks, but not games played and/or started.
2. No article or profile that I've been able to pull up mentions Howard having led the league in games played and/or started last season.

The issue is that because a relatively high percentage of players do play/start 82 games a season, the achievement isn't as exclusive or exceptional as the on-court stats that the league actually tracks leaders for. Yes, he did technically lead the league, along with an unspecified number of other players, in that category, but it doesn't appear to be notable. Articles mention scoring leaders and rebounding leaders, but not playing in/starting-game leaders.

I think a possible compromise is saying: Started all 82 games: 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09. --Mosmof (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Second that; we need to be selective of the information for the reasons given. But, not sure if necessary to mention that he started all 82 games for those seasons, because the stats table already reflects that. Or we can incorporate it into the prose. Chensiyuan (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Mosmof, did you not read this, or do you not know how to read?: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/g_yearly.html

NBA.com's stat page also does not "keep track" of turnovers, or minutes played, or personal fouls, or disqualifications. Does that impress you as meaning that the NBA does not keep track of these stats, that these are not official statistics, ones that have a season-by-season leader? If you believe in that form of logical deduction, then you're not living in reality. The purpose of the accomplishment section of the article is not to list merely what you deem "notable", the purpose is to provide a complete listing of official statistics in which the player led the league. The other sections of the article (the actual body) are where only that which the majority deems notable should be discussed.

By the way, I don't know where you get the idea that a "relatively high percentage" of players play in or start every game in a season. There are usually about 10 players in each season that accomplish this. 10 out of 360-400. Is 2% a high percentage to you? And it is rare that one player accomplishes this several times; the 10 players usually vary from season to season.--Hoops gza (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

WP does call for a discriminate selection of information, even if that information is officially recorded or verifiable (see what WP is not). So the real issue is whether the statistic is indeed notable. Before that, I'm not sure where you get the impression that nba.com does not keep track of -- and rank -- stats like turnovers. See http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/career_stats.html. But they don't rank games played/started simply because quite a number of players do an 82/82 every year; indeed a player who does an 81/81 will then be ranked "second" and so forth, and that is just too much indiscriminate information. Of course, if there is something notable about Howard going 82/82 for a number of seasons running, that is a different matter and better explained in the body than in a stats list. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

To add to Chensiyuan's comments, Basketball Reference is, by its nature and mission, indiscriminate and comprehensive to excess, which is the opposite of what Wikipedia aims to be.

Gza, you left this link in my talk page, as proof that NBA tracks games played/started leaders, but to the contrary, the reason Walt Bellamy's 88 games played is listed is because it's such a statistical oddity. Also, you might note that games played is not one of the 42 key statistical categories Basketball Reference deems worthwhile to rank for each season.

Finally, yes 2% is a relatively high percentage of players to rank at #1. --Mosmof (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

dwight howard will sighn with the rockets — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.208.135 (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposing a separate page for achievements

I realize that I don't need to do this before starting a separate page, but I thought it would be a good idea to give notice here and get some feedback first. It seems pretty imminent that a separate page is and will be needed to list this player's NBA achievements. It would be considerably easier to edit and view an organized list of these achievements on a separate page, much as has been done for LeBron James here: List of career achievements by LeBron James, for example. Most importantly, it would not distract from the actual text, the body of the main article.--Hoops gza (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure there are similar pages for Kobe and MJ as well. Chensiyuan (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I will be working on this within the next few days.--Hoops gza (talk) 10:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Usage of the word "Pundit"

In the "Player Profile" section the last paragraph seems a little off to me, I know that Pundit is not always used in a derogatory manner, but to mee it seems like it is in that final paragraph.

Does anyone else share this opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.248.180 (talk) 03:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

source for DPOY2

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/20/player.of.year.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Second paragraph of the lead

I removed the second paragraph from the lead but was reverted. I do not contest any of the content and strongly support its inclusion in the article body but I don't think it belongs in the lead. While it is great to read some feel-good material about him, it is certainly not what he is notable for and it is not summarizing a major portion of the article. –CWenger (talk) 03:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not about including feel-good material (in the lead) for the sake of doing so. The question that frames the issue is: are there any other NBA players who repeatedly tie their faith with their sport? I know of very few others. Chensiyuan (talk) 04:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that is the key question. It is all about what they are notable for. In WP:LEAD, it says:

The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources[.]

Of course amount of content should roughly correlate with importance, and therefore the two paragraphs in the 'Personal life' section do not merit the importance to be included in the lead, in my opinion. –CWenger (talk) 15:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Some guy changed his name picture and stats for example he set Dwights height to 5.11 and others I undid them should we ask for protection on this article?Johndark93 (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the article. Protection at this point is a little premature since the article has only been vandalized twice last 24 hours.—Chris!_c/t 23:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

A slightly far fetched claim...

I just thought I'd point out the paragraph that begins, "Several teams in the Eastern Conference underwent significant roster changes to present a bigger challenge to Howard's Magic in the 2010–11 season..." and then goes on to list a number of changes made in that conference during that year. It does not cite any references. Personally, it sounds a bit far fetched that all those high-profile changes were made just to combat Dwight Howard and the Orlando Magic. Of course they're good, but I've always seen them as one in a group of viable contenders and not as "the big bad bug in town" that everybody has to especially look out for. Bobnorwal (talk)

I'm guessing that whoever made the edit meant that the changes presented a challenge to the Magic, but not necessarily with the intent of challenging the Magic. That said, this is the kind of editorializing we want to avoid. Deleting the text seems like the sensible thing to do. --Mosmof (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 March 2012

Howard is also an avid supporter of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and serves as an Ambassador for their Hoops for St. Jude basketball initiative.

66.162.22.252 (talk) 22:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! Celestra (talk) 22:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 March 2012

Please change: Howard and Royce Reed, a former dancer for the team, have a son, Braylon. To: Howard and Royce Reed, a former dancer for the team, have a son, Braylon. Howard also has a daughter named Jayde (born December 2010) with former fling Hope Alexa and another daughter named Layla (born September 2010) from another short-term relationship. Source

AyHoward (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Please provide a better source than the suggested one. Chensiyuan (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Per the policy about living persons Wikipedia can't accept a claim like that except from a reliable source. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 11:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - May 22, 2012

Please edit the "Off the court" section to specify that Dwight and Royce's child was conceived and born out of wedlock. This is particularly notable due to Mr. Howard's self-perpetuated "Christian" image. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.200.87.172 (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

• Not sure why this is notable.—Chris!_c/t 04:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
• It never said they were married, so the implication is that it's out of wedlock. Not sure why it needs to be explicitly spelled out when I dont think others bios do it either.—Bagumba (talk) 05:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Seems awfully like WP:POV pushing. If it runs counter to his image/branding as a devout Christian, then it's up to the readers to make that connection, unless the disconnect has become an actual controversy (and there's no indication it has). --Mosmof (talk) 09:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
• As noted in the above source, there is some confusion due to Ms. Reed's appearance on the television show "Basketball Wives". Perhaps this information can be added with a more neutral tone by noting her appearance, which is at least equally notable as her former employment with the caveat that contrary to the title of the series, the couple has never been married.--184.200.87.172 (talk) 10:05, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
  • The confusion, if any exists, hasn't been in the public discourse as far as I can tell. It doesn't seem like anyone actually cares about the couple's marital status (or lack thereof). What is notable is their various legal battles, so I have added a couple of sentences. --Mosmof (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Lakers?

There is a report of a trade to the Lakers. The article is already updated. Why? Some reasons for my concerns: 1) The Number he was assigned for his infobox, 4, is random. 2) the Photo with the caption "Howard with the Lakers" is a photoshopped picture that can be found on ESPN.com 3) The deal is not official until a call is made to the league office which will not happen until Friday. Which gives the trade plenty of time for the trade to fall apart. --Boston Burkenation (talk) 03:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)