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NNU Class Project - Winter 2012

Please consider adding your name at: Wikipedia:School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012

Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

6.1

You knew this timing, didn't you? -DePiep (talk) 22:18, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still missing some eight new scripts here -DePiep (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't check 15924 -- feel free to add them. BabelStone (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been through here and I can't see anything missing from Template:ISO 15924 script codes and Unicode. BabelStone (talk) 00:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It should be the other way around: the template should reflect ISO 15924 Property Value Alias.Example: newly added in 6.1 is script ISO code: Plrd="Miao (Pollard)" by ISO name, and "Miao" in Unicode U+16F00 (e.g. character name U+16F00 MIAO LETTER PA). I'd expect the ISO 15924 -- Unicode Script name (Propery Value Alias) to besynchroniused by now, but it is not. The scriptAlpha4-to-UnicodeScriptname is covered in [1], but not directly with ISO 15924. Another Unicode-always-has-a-way-around situation. I expect the ISO update list will show this shortly, or in a semiannual update in June. If I'm right, M. Everson maintains this lining list. -DePiep (talk) 00:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is way to cryptic. And: you already updated the template. Well, what I wanted to say is: Uc uses a script code (e.g. Plrd, defined and named "Pollard (Miao)" by ISO), and a Propert Value Alias (chosen by Uc, and 1:1 linked to an ISO Alpha4 code -- when Uc uses that script). This way Uc does not have to use clumsy ISO names, and can choose a script name suitable. Today there are seven new scripts in Uc, but their PropValueAliases are not yet declared in the ISO list. (They are in the Unicode file I linked to). So, that is strange, but I think not illegal by Unicode law. -DePiep (talk) 00:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now I understand what you mean. As 15924 is only hosted by Unicode, but Michael Everson is responsible for maintaining it, the files won't automatically get updated when a new version of Unicode is released, but will have to wait until ME does an update. As far as I am aware there is no synchronization requirement between 15924/10646/Unicode wrt script names. Indeed, the 15924 script names are usually registered quite a while before the script is encoded, and political haggling during the encoding process often results in a completely different name (as in the case of Pollard/Miao). BabelStone (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Now here is a first time situation: Property Value Alias in the ISO 15924 Changes list is not updated (for these seven scripts), while Uc uses it in this version 6.1. But enough of this from me. -DePiep (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. -- Evertype·✆ 22:46, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it will be all right then. -DePiep (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- Evertype·✆ 23:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Processed. One minor question, Michael, could you have the space removed from this line: file:iso15924-utf8-20111209-corr.txt Saur;344;Saurashtra;saurachtra; Saurashtra;? That is, in a future version. Of course it is not wrong, but it looks a bit careless. And I must handle it when reading the file. -DePiep (talk) 00:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you have comments about the file, post them to unicode@unicode.org. I do not follow BabelStone's Talk page as a means of maintaining the standard. -- Evertype·✆ 15:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~OK. -DePiep (talk) 15:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)~~[reply]

My preferred reaction is: You are right. I was over enthousiastic. -DePiep (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your new article

I noticed that you rated your new article Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences as start class. I think it's a bit better than start so I've re-rated it as c-class. The WP:RU guidelines use Agin-Buryat Okrug as an example of start-class! Your article is much better than start-class, especially considering the subject. INeverCry 19:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your assessment. I tend to self-assess new articles on the low side, and let other editors upgrade if appropriate. BabelStone (talk) 19:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have the opposite tendency in regard to my stuff. ;) INeverCry 19:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thoroughbreds

Thanks for your attention to racehorse articles, but please note that "Thoroughbred" in this sense is the name of the specific horse breed, so it's a proper noun = capital "T". Looks odd, but it is correct! Regards. Tigerboy1966 00:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh sorry, my mistake! BabelStone (talk) 00:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK

If you have plans then I'll leave you to finish them. I could see no problem with having an article on "Important Wikipedians" and use Babelstone as an example of that class. So I'll leave you to explain your plan Victuallers (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it would be the wrong place to give detailed information about all BS's wonderful accomplishments :) BabelStone (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences

On 2 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 2010, the only known complete manuscript written in the extinct Khitan language was identified in the collection of the Saint Petersburg Institute of Oriental Manuscripts? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Nova N 176

On 2 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nova N 176, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 2010, the only known complete manuscript written in the extinct Khitan language was identified in the collection of the Saint Petersburg Institute of Oriental Manuscripts? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Revolutionary Plate

While the design may be copyright in Europe until 1 Jan 2018, it is not in copyright in the United States, having been published before 1923. Since the latter is considered decisive for en-wiki, we would consider this free, and therefore not "fair use in a list", per our normal rules and procedures. Jheald (talk) 12:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced, as I don't think the design was published in the US before 1923. However, it might be worth uploading a picture (I have a good photo of the plate just waiting to be used) and see what the copyright experts on Commons think. BabelStone (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PD-1923 : "Public domain works must be out of copyright in both the United States and in the source country of the work in order to be hosted on the Commons. If the work is not a U.S. work, the file must have an additional copyright tag indicating the copyright status in the source country." BabelStone (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is the policy for hosting on Commons. The policy for hosting and display on en-wiki is different, namely that it must be okay by U.S. law (which is one reason we have a fair amount of stuff here with {{Do not move to Commons}} templates on it). If you think further input would be useful, and you want further opinions, can I suggest opening a thread at WP:MCQ ? Jheald (talk) 08:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for the clarification. In that case I will upload the image to en:wp using Template:PD-US-1923-abroad. BabelStone (talk) 12:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded here. BabelStone (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Trumpington bed burial

On 28 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Trumpington bed burial, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a 7th-century grave in Cambridge discovered in 2011 held the remains of an Anglo-Saxon teenage girl who was lying on a bed, with a gold and garnet cross on her breast? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Bed burial

On 28 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bed burial, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a 7th-century grave in Cambridge discovered in 2011 held the remains of an Anglo-Saxon teenage girl who was lying on a bed, with a gold and garnet cross on her breast? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bible translations by language

This message being sent to the three editors who suggested listifying. Done. Took 3 days but the final remaining languages moved out to area articles or stubs. Please give input or edit on format of what remains. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:52, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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British Library

Hi!

This is just to let you know that I've just recently started as the Wikipedian in Residence at the British Library, building off the 2011 British Library project which you participated in. I'll be working here full-time for the next six months; I'm still meeting people here to discuss projects that they're interested in working on, but if you've any suggestions, please do let me know!

We've currently got two events in the calendar:

World War I Editathon, 16 June - organised jointly with JISC
GLAM-WIKI 2012, 14-15 September - conference hosted by WMUK and the British Library

and I'm in the process of restarting the individual collaborations program - there's currently one article with a specialist looking for a Wikipedian, and hopefully I'll be adding more over the next few days.

(I'm planning to use the old participants list for any future messages - if you'd rather not be contacted, please leave a note there.)

Thanks, Andrew Gray (talk) 11:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Street House Anglo-Saxon cemetery

Your interesting article on bed burials, which I saw on DYK in February, prompted me to write Street House Anglo-Saxon cemetery, which you might find interesting. I've nominated it at Template:Did you know nominations/Street House Anglo-Saxon cemetery so hopefully it'll be on DYK as well. Prioryman (talk) 07:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. Nice work with the photography -- I've borrowed the photo of the "Saxon princess" for the Bed burial article. BabelStone (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invite you to write article

Hi, Mr. West, I want to invite you to write articles for Chinese Wikipedia. I am from CHINA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.23.194.233 (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I want you to translate List of Khitan inscriptions into Chinese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.23.194.233 (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

我目前很忙，没有时间编辑Wikipedia，但是过了几个星期有空的话我就式一式翻译那篇文章。谢谢! BabelStone (talk) 11:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you can sign up zh:Wikipedia:專題/漢字文化圈 soon. --60.10.60.36 (talk) 09:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jersey Hoard?

Hi BS. I was wondering if you had heard about this yet: [2]. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, I hadn't heard about it. Sounds interesting. BabelStone (talk) 07:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Started the article at Grouville Hoard. BabelStone (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you just might. Excellent stuff. Let's hope we can use some good free images soon. Is the Legal situation the same in Jersey as in mainland UK? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CJK-F

Why is it too early? There are documents referenced at the 38th IRG conference (June 2012) (http://appsrv.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~irg/irg/irg38/IRG38.htm) which clearly talk about CJK-F, and not just as some hypothetical idea, but as a planned extension. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.61.17.166 (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it is planned, but until it gets on an SC2 ballot anything can happen. Do you remember how CJK-D suddenly turned into CJK-E and left several Wikipedia pages making confused statements about CJK-D as if it were CJK-E. Wikipedia articles should describe the current situation as it is, not act as a newspaper reporting the supposed content of some unknown future version of Unicode in God knows how many years time. If it were up to me I'd even remove mention of CJK-E until it is ready for inclusion on a ballot. BabelStone (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Grouville Hoard

On 9 July 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Grouville Hoard, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a huge hoard of Iron Age and Roman coins was found in Jersey in June 2012 after two metal detectorists spent a few hours a year for 30 years searching for a suspected hoard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grouville Hoard. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for List of hoards in the Channel Islands

On 10 July 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of hoards in the Channel Islands, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that one of the archaeological hoards found in the Channel Islands comprised coins minted in Alexandria in Egypt? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of hoards in the Channel Islands. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Yngvadottir (talk) 08:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Norman

Really sorry to hear that. Kanguole 18:53, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I only heard today. I never met him, but he was an inspiration to me when I was learning Manchu, so creating an article for him is the least I could do, although it is still very basic. BabelStone (talk) 18:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Norman: Another fine contribution, BS. Compliments. -DePiep (talk) 21:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. BabelStone (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Stuart R. Schram

On 3 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stuart R. Schram, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Stuart R. Schram, biographer of Chairman Mao, started his career as a nuclear physicist working on the Manhattan Project? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stuart R. Schram. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rus' Khaganate

Hi Babelstone. You seem to be so interested in the history of the word Knyaz that you have both deleted some text and gone calling some pretty uncontroversial information OR[3][4][5]. I am sure that if you consult for example this book, the information that you reacted so strongly against will appear less "OR". Good luck! --Berig (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep article-related discussion on the article talk page. Thanks. BabelStone (talk) 19:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relax Babelstone. I am just giving you some help here. Just look up the book and you'll be fine. Good luck with your editing!--Berig (talk) 19:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thor: The Dark World

Thank you for your contributions to Thor: The Dark World, however the source you posted does not explicitly state that "Thursday Morning" is Thor: The Dark World and as such we cannot use it, despite the obvious similarities. If you wish you can discuss this further on the article's talk page. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, everyone knows "Thursday Mourning" is "Thor 2" (just google it), but w/e. BabelStone (talk) 19:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to comment at Talk:Thor: The Dark World#Bourne Wood.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will if I can find a RS that connects "Thursday Mourning" to Thor (there will probably be local newspaper coverage when filming starts). BabelStone (talk) 19:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ash/Fae

There needs to be some sort of linkage between the two. I'm not sure what the proper way to do this is, but without the link a lot of context gets lost. aprock (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what the proper procedure is either, but tagging the account as a sock cannot be right. Indeed, linking an old account to a clean start account, even under these circumstances, seems to be rather strange in my opinion. Perhaps you had best ask a member of arbcom for advice. BabelStone (talk) 22:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of works by Robert Morrison (missionary)

List of works by Robert Morrison (missionary) has been blanked for violating your copy rites! --Pawyilee (talk) 14:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BL visit

I am thinking of visiting this on the Tuesday or Thursday. When are you planning to go? Tibetologist (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. I do have some days off work that I have to take before Christmas, so I am able to attend, but I hadn't decided whether to actually go or not (I prefer working on my own, and I'm not very good in social situations). But if you are going then I will too, as it would be nice to talk to you about Tangut (Slava and myself have been working on revised encoding proposals for Tangut characters and radicals, which we will submit in a few days time, so that they can be discussed at the WG2 meeting in Thailand next month -- in fact during the week of the IDP event). Just let me know which day you are going to BL, and I'll be there. BabelStone (talk) 12:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was just about to leave a reminder here to say the dates were now firmed up, but I see you've noticed :-). Hope to see you there, & let me know if you have any recommendations for topics... Andrew Gray (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reminder. I'll let you know when I know which day I'll be there. For myself, I am considering working on the Dunhuang Pipa manuscripts. BabelStone (talk) 19:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Babelstone, I hope you can make it, I can assure you we are very friendly. If you have the pressmarks for the manuscripts I will see if we can order them up for you and I can prepare any relevant images for uploading. I've responded to your image requests and we plan to add plenty more over the week and beyond. Vicswift (talk) 17:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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	:Thanks for the reminder. I'll let you know when I know which day I'll be there. For myself, I am considering working on the Dunhuang [[Pipa]] manuscripts. [[User:BabelStone\|BabelStone]] ([[User talk:BabelStone#top\|talk]]) 19:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)		:Thanks for the reminder. I'll let you know when I know which day I'll be there. For myself, I am considering working on the Dunhuang [[Pipa]] manuscripts. [[User:BabelStone\|BabelStone]] ([[User talk:BabelStone#top\|talk]]) 19:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

	*Dear Babelstone, I hope you can make it, I can assure you we are very friendly. If you have the pressmarks for the manuscripts I will see if we can order them up for you and I can prepare any relevant images for uploading. I've responded to your [[GLAM/BL/~~Image_requests~~\|image requests]] and we plan to add plenty more over the week and beyond. [[User:Vicswift\|Vicswift]] ([[User talk:Vicswift\|talk]]) 17:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)		*Dear Babelstone, I hope you can make it, I can assure you we are very friendly. If you have the pressmarks for the manuscripts I will see if we can order them up for you and I can prepare any relevant images for uploading. I've responded to your [[Wikipedia:GLAM/BL/Image requests\|image requests]] and we plan to add plenty more over the week and beyond. [[User:Vicswift\|Vicswift]] ([[User talk:Vicswift\|talk]]) 17:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)