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'''Both''': [http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-08/features/ct-prj-1007-book-of-the-month-20121008_1_personality-and-politics-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton]. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 04:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
'''Both''': [http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-08/features/ct-prj-1007-book-of-the-month-20121008_1_personality-and-politics-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton]. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 04:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. She he been steadily de-Rodhamizing over the years, according to [http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton%2CHillary+Clinton&year_start=1990&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=2&share= this ngram]. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 09:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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Q1: Was there a dispute about what the article title should be?
A1: Yes. From the early days on it was "Hillary Rodham Clinton", but over the years there were many formal requests for moves to change it to "Hillary Clinton". Discussions found no consensus on the article name until June 2015, when one found consensus and the article was moved to its current title. See the "This page was previously nominated to be moved" box elsewhere on this page for full details and links to the discussions – note some have to be revealed under the "Older discussions" link. There are strong feelings on both sides and discussions get progressively longer and more heated. Q2: The section on her 2016 presidential campaign leaves out some important things that have happened. What gives?
A2: The main article is tight on space and the presidential campaign section is intentionally brief and kept to what is biographically most relevant. The daughter article Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 has a much fuller treatment of the campaign and is where the greatest level of detail should go, especially anything describing the day-to-day, to-and-fro, ups-and-downs of a campaign. Q3: This article is POV! It's biased {for, against} her! It reads like it was written by {her PR team, Republican hatchet men}!
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Highly un-true account of why Hilary changed from Republican to Democrat. It states here that the Republican party was racist. Reality check was that the Democrats were the ones fighting to keep slavery alive, while the Republican party fought against it. As a result of the slaves been set free by the Republicans, the Democratic party has continually spread propaganda accusing the right of doing what the left has done. It is demonstrated here by the reason Hilary changed parties was because of racism. She left the party because she became involved with Democrats. Those are the facts. Not a bunch of colorful propaganda. Please exchange-- Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami. However, she was upset by how Richard Nixon's campaign portrayed Rockefeller and by what she perceived as the convention's "veiled" racist messages, and left the Republican Party for good.[23]And exchange for Hilary left the Republican party when she became friendly with young Democrats.
Moniquevargas (talk) 02:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Not done:. The article says that Clinton felt the Republicans were racist, and a source for that opinion is given. RudolfRed (talk) 02:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Should the image be changed to a more recent one?
The one used is from 2009. Perhaps this one from 2012: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Msc2012_20120204_006_Clinton_SZwez.jpg Haosd (talk) 10:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
- The usual guideline for articles on U.S. politicians or office holders is to use the most recent 'official' (formally posed) photo for the top image. Which the 2009 one is. But since Hillary changes hairstyles, that has often led to an image that no longer represents how she currently looks (the same thing happened while she was a Senator, and it would have happened when she was First Lady too if WP had been around then). I don't think the one your propose quite looks formal enough, but if you can find another one that comes close, we could consider using that. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Then would any of these other ones from 2012 (cropped first, of course) be acceptable? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_in_2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haosd (talk • contribs) 11:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
- No, not really, the one you picked was probably the best of the lot, although http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Msc2012_20120204_236_Konferenz_Kai_Moerk.jpg might be good for later in the article. You can also try looking through the Department of State photo gallery at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/pix/c27657.htm. Some of them are State Dept images and thus usable (others are wire service photos and are not, if you hover the mouse over them it will tell). Wasted Time R (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 10 September 2012
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I want to add that Hilary Clinton is funded by LTTE as per Asian Tribune and also Defence Lanka.පාඨලී චම්පික රණවක (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- This is already dealt with in the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2008 article, "Fundraising" section, "Campaign finance irregularities" subsection: "In December 2007, the Sri Lankan Ministry of Defence and the Canada Free Press reported that one of Clinton's fundraisers in New Jersey, a U.S. resident who was associated with a December 12 fundraising event at the State Theatre in New Brunswick, New Jersey, was also a fundraiser for the Tamil Rehabilitation Organization,[85][86] which the U.S. government has determined[87] is a front organization for the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam,[88] which is on the U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.[89] In February 2008, Hillary Clinton's foreign policy adviser, Andrew Shapiro, announced that the Clinton campaign had returned the T.R.O. donations after complaints of impropriety given the outlawed T.R.O.'s terrorist links [87][90]" That's the appropriate article for this material; it's too minor to include in this main biography article. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done:, as it belongs into the other article. Plus, it's likely going to be controversial here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Edit Request on 22 October 2012
Reference 128 is out of date, the link moved. Please use this one: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19960302/NEWS/303029971
68.230.142.15 (talk) 04:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for the spot and the fix. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Fix broken link External links, CongLinks, parameter s/b washpo = gIQA1F624O 184.78.81.245 (talk) 02:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
- Done, thanks. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton – Common name. WP:UCN is the policy on people naming conventions. I have provided the top relevant news items for "Hillary" in Google News for the past four weeks. Hillary Clinton: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28]
Rodham Clinton: [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36]
Both: [37]. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 04:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Support. She he been steadily de-Rodhamizing over the years, according to this ngram. Kauffner (talk) 09:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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