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Page length

2013 in film is 332,397 bytes (without images). Please discuss whether or not to sub-divide it, at Talk:2013 in film#Length. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the general idea, and will go to the talk page to comment.--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Why can't long articles just be paginated? Praemonitus (talk) 01:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Travelling Salesman Problem and P v NP

How would the math community reference a solution to two of the remaining six Clay Foundation Millennium prizes if it were published in the form of humor on a User's Talk Page? Some mathematicians have done stranger things! Frank Layden (talk) 02:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

User merging article for municipality with article for municipal seat

User:No such user is re-merging articles of municipalities and municipal seats. E.g. these two:

	Municipality	Seat
Article	Nova Crnja Municipality	Nova Crnja (village) located inside the municipality.
Population	10,272	1,491
Map	image map (area)	pushpin map (point)
Wikidata	d:Q914410	d:Q266760
Borders	e.g. Žitište Municipality	???
Type	municipality of Serbia	village of Serbia
Populated places	6	n/a
Demographics	Serb: 70,31%, Hungarian: 18,64%	Serb: 6,01%, Hungarian: 84,57%
Located in	Central Banat District	Nova Crnja Municipality
sr WP	sr:Општина Нова Црња	sr:Нова Црња
hu WP	hu:Magyarcsernye község	hu:Magyarcsernye

Several article sets distinguish between the municipality and the seat, so that there is one article for each of them. This is also seen in Wikidata.

Country	Main article	Category	WD	en WP	en WP ex.	Population	WD	other WP
Bulgaria	Municipalities of Bulgaria	M of ...	d:Q1906268	1. municipality, 2. seat	Bansko Municipality, Bansko	13,225 - 8,911	d:Q2085163 - d:Q391159
Kosovo	Municipalities of Kosovo	M of ...	d:Q2989682	mixed article	Đakovica	94.158 - 40.827	d:Q3656386 - d:Q474651	sr:Општина Ђаковица, sr:Ђаковица
Macedonia	Municipalities of the Republic of Macedonia	M of ...	d:Q646793	1. municipality, 2. seat	Berovo Municipality, Berovo	13,941 - 7,002	d:Q793727 - d:Q827047
Montenegro	Municipalities of Montenegro	M of ...	d:Q838549	1. municipality, 2. seat	Andrijevica Municipality, Andrijevica	5,071 - 1,073	d:Q2384773 - d:Q242059
Serbia	Municipalities of Serbia	M of ...	d:Q783930	mixed article	Nova Crnja	10,272 - 1,491	d:Q914410 - d:Q266760	sr:Општина Нова Црња - sr:Нова Црња
Slovenia	Municipalities of Slovenia	M of ...	d:Q328584	1. municipality, 2. seat	Municipality of Ajdovščina, Ajdovščina	18,850 - 6,676	d:Q331701 - d:Q15854

The user's comments and my reply here:

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  • the articles mostly map 1:1 --- well, actually, mostly they don't. I have never seen an example when they did.
  • most of them are too short and underdeveloped ---- well, that is why I work on them
  • and creating content forks just gives more burden on maintenance and categorization - well, exactly the opposite, clear mapping, clear categorization
  • to the shrinking pool of Serbian editors on En.wiki ---- well, maybe it is because en WP looks so disorganized that many people don't bother to edit
  • Thus, I'm reverting your changes to villages of Beočin and Žitište. They were just fine in terms of organization ---- No, they were not. Beočin is a place within Beočin Municipality and Banoštor is located in Beočin Municipality not in the seat named Beočin.
  • as witnessed by the previous 10 years of so of their existence. ---- This could have been changed 10 years ago. See Serbian Wikipedia, where they separate the items.
• [2]
  • I'm not going to be gentle with you --- Your choice.
  • If you really want to be of help, you could, for example, update the village and town population figures --- Exactly that is my plan. But best via Wikidata. And for using the data from there more easily I did create municipality articles separated from the seats. Then the Infobox:Settlement can be used to display Wikidata values directly. And bots could do other updates.

So what to do now? Androoox (talk) 04:18, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

If this is contested then the user should stop and have a conversation. This is a perennial problem in many places. So far as I know there is no general guideline. Wikipedia's existing guidelines suggest that sometimes these should be merged, and sometimes not, depending on sources and content. This process looks ugly when usually the articles are very short - and this is the most common case - but then some few positions have articles which are long and should not be merged.

The process is to ask for the user to pause, take an RfC, then respond to community consensus. What is troublesome is that this same problem happens repeatedly for every country and there is no good solution. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Editors who created many new articles

Somewhere there is a list of editors who created many new articles, but I do not see how to find it. Please tell me.

Beyond that, how can I know how many articles I have created can be counted? Is there a tool?--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count? For articles you created, this should do it, but it seems to be having trouble or is running really slowly for me. Chris857 (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count has the top 5000 editors, and currently that means 100 articles created. I currently have about 60, but I have a New Year's Resolution to create 100 new articles in 2014. Thank you for your prompt reply.--DThomsen8 (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

University of Science and Technology, Liaoning

Hello. The article on University of Science and Technology, Liaoning is suffering a contribution history problem. On 31 August 2010 I moved the article from University of Science and Technology Liaoning to University of Science and Technology, Liaoning because I thought the title was missing a comma. However, on 29 March 2011, User:Duzhou moved it back using copy&paste instead of requesting a move back, but also left the original version intact. The two versions seem to have continued to coexist but then on 21June 2012, User:Rincewind42 merged the two, and changed the original into a redirect. It only came to my attention recently when I happened to look at X's article counting tool and noticed that I am being credited with creating the article instead of User:Pratyeka, who made the first edit back in August 2004. I tried to get it repaired by requesting at Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen but this does not seem to have resolved the problem. The original version now seems to be stuck at University of Science and Technology, Liaoning/version 2 and the article fork is now at University of Science and Technology, Liaoning. I hope someone can suggest a way out of this fix. Green Giant (talk) 13:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Y Problem resolved by User:JamesBWatson. Green Giant (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Feedback request: VisualEditor special character inserter

The developers are working towards offering Wikipedia:VisualEditor to all users at about 50 Wikipedias that have complex language requirements. Many editors at these Wikipedias depend on being able to insert special characters to be able to write articles.

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www.wikipediasurvey.org

Any idea why the site is gone? I am looking for this report, which was still online a few weeks ago. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

No idea about the site itself, but archive.org has the report here. Chris857 (talk) 04:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

List of re-created articles?

Is there a list of newly created articles (or redirects) that were previously deleted? Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Core Contest

running for a fifth time - 10 Feb to 9 march....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 January 2014 (UTC)