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{{ping|Typhoon2013}} Chill. If you have any suspicions about sockpuppets of him, please file them at [[WP:SPI]]. Since you heavily edit his topic (tropical cyclones), he should be easy to spot. Do note that [[WP:NOTFISHING|CheckUser isn't for fishing]] and that without specific usernames to accuse, we can't do anything.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 08:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
{{ping|Typhoon2013}} Chill. If you have any suspicions about sockpuppets of him, please file them at [[WP:SPI]]. Since you heavily edit his topic (tropical cyclones), he should be easy to spot. Do note that [[WP:NOTFISHING|CheckUser isn't for fishing]] and that without specific usernames to accuse, we can't do anything.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 08:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
:Agreed; I think creating a schedule to be on Instalok Watch seems a bit excessive. If you see his vandalism, revert it and take it to SPI. Other than that, it's not something I'd worry about too much. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 11:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
:Agreed; I think creating a schedule to be on Instalok Watch seems a bit excessive. If you see his vandalism, revert it and take it to SPI. Other than that, it's not something I'd worry about too much. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 11:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

==Tropical Storm Gabrielle (2013) article under construction==
Currently, the Tropical Storm Gabrielle (2013) is under construction at [[Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Tropical cyclones/Sandbox 1]], feel free to add any more info if you like. [[Special:Contributions/98.174.223.41|98.174.223.41]] ([[User talk:98.174.223.41|talk]]) 15:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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User:Instalok's edits to tropical cyclone articles

I mostly agree with User:Meow about User:Instalok's edits to tropical cyclone articles, though of course I'm not taking it that personally. But what I find extremely concerning is Instalok's lack of communication: (s)he has not responded to any of the notes I left on his/her talk page. Somewhat less concerning is the fact that I consider his userspace to be copyright violations of the corresponding season articles because (s)he did not attribute the source articles accordingly. Other less serious concerns include not signing his/her posts in accordance to Wikipedia:Signatures (no links at all to his user page, talk page, or contributions), and his/her addition of unsourced information, such as a Fujiwhara effect between Eunice and Diamandra, which is even refuted by this.

@Typhoon2013: Since you have talked with him/her successfully, I'm wondering if you could offer to serve as his/her mentor. I think (s)he has potential, but first (s)he needs to be able to fit in with our editing community. I believe it is essential that (s)he at the minimum communicates with other editors about concerns with his/her edits, or nothing can be accomplished.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jasper Deng: Well, it is a pleasure to help as well. I don't know if you know this but, he is just young! He is (Redacted) and I told him that he's too young but he doesn't care. Even with English, he doesn't care! But yes, not just me but I want others as well to help him with loads of stuff, right? I am so sad that someone from my country is editing Wikipedia with bad grammar, though :(. BTW I left this article link in my user page so anyone can help and contribute. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Typhoon2013: Well, the bottom line is that regardless of age, competence is required. This includes being able to uphold our community standards, including but not limited to communication. (please keep his age private, the policy on it is strict)--Jasper Deng (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Typhoon2013 as Jasper hinted anyone is allowed to edit Wikipedia regardless of how old they are. However, I strongly feel that we have to be careful with how we talk to them and inform them about the rules/challenges of Wiki, especially when it comes to our articles on the TC Seasons which need all the decent help we can get due to them being very active. As a result while i recognise that Typhoon2013 has been the only one who has managed to managed to contact/communicate with Instalok, I do not think he is the best person to mentor Instalok in the rules/challenges of Wiki. I would step up to the plate myself but have enough on my plate at the moment.Jason Rees (talk) 21:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jasper Deng: Well, Instalok just told me about his information. That's why I also told him not to reveal his personal information to public for his safety. @Jason Rees: Also yes I agree. I am not the best the person to mentor him and stuff. But guys, what do you still want me to do with him? Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Typhoon2013: Basically, I want for him to address the concerns I've brought up on his talk page. The communication issue is first and foremost something he has to fix immediately, then we can talk other things; both of you would do well to read Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors because ages are not something you should be posting even if he told you. @Jason Rees: Just saying, when we're criticizing Instalok for poor grammar, making a comment with similar grammatical mistakes ("i", "Wiki" — Wikipedia:Don't abbreviate Wikipedia as "Wiki"!, "Seasons" (common noun, not capital) etc.) does not set a good example. --Jasper Deng (talk) 09:31, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jasper Deng: Just remember that no one is perfect at spelling or grammar and that some of us prefer the research side of things rather than the language side of things. Anyway getting back to the issue in hand, I think the most important thing is to correct all off the false information in the seasonal articles. For example i would love to know how 13.1 S / 62.9 E is to the southeast of Mauritius and why we are suddenly using the SSHWS as the primary scale in that region.Jason Rees (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: If the spelling and grammar of a user is a mess to clean up and the user shows no effort to improve it, then it's disruptive editing, because it wastes others' time. The content of the articles is a matter different from Instalok's edits; we use SSHWS worldwide because it's the one most readers are familiar with and allows easy cross-basin comparison.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jasper Deng: These edits show me that he is trying to improve but i think it will take time and a little bit of guidance.Jason Rees (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: Never did I say that he wasn't trying to improve the wiki. But regardless of intentions, if it becomes a mess to clean up after it's a mess to clean up after and not acceptable; in particular Typhoon2013's comment that he "doesn't care" about his grammatical errors justifies my saying that he "shows no effort to improve it". The fundamental problem is that all the guidance I put on his talk page has fallen on deaf ears. Those same grammatical errors I advised him about still show up in that diff, for example. Remember that spelling and grammar isn't his only issue. I'm still awaiting replies concerning his userspace and signature, for example.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is i dont know about the stuff in his userspace - its not fake stuff unlike others who randomly making systems up.Jason Rees (talk) 01:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jason Rees: which is actually partly the problem: you cannot copy/paste text from Wikipedia articles, as he evidently did, without proper attribution to the source articles.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: Being an administrator who works extensively on this project, what do you think should be done?--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I brought it up at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Administrator attention requested for User:Instalok's edits.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably the best course of action. It's a difficult situation when someone is trying to help but it's just not... helpful. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The person keeps providing fake information and uploading duplicated files. We should not endure anymore. -- Meow 16:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jason Rees:, @Hurricanehink:, @Jasper Deng:, @Meow: Ok, guys. Even though I am still thinking what to do with him, I just thought that everyone here who joined in this topic should actually have a live chat with him as well in the Internet Free Relay Chat (I think that's what is called). Does anyone agree? I'll gather my best time since I am busy everyday. Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update - he was blocked. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jasper Deng, Jason Rees, and Typhoon2013: I think Instalok created another account to parody Typhoon2013. This new account has the same broken English and editing style. It even mentions Instalok in the user space. Supportstorm (talk) 00:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Supportstorm: I just created Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Instalok.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Supportstorm: After reading a mention of the NOAA Satellite Services Division on talk page of the user Typhoon2015 (before it was blanked and tagged; see Special:PermaLink/647625725), I remembered seeing a user (User:NOAA Satelite Services Division) having been blocked a few days ago. Could User:NOAA Satelite Services Division be related to what is being discussed here? Dustin (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It seems likely that it was another puppet. Supportstorm (talk) 00:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Cyclone Naming (Topic)

Hi @Hurricanehink, Cyclonebiskit, Juliancolton, Typhoon2013, and Meow: @Supportstorm, ABC paulista, Inks.LWC, and Thegreatdr:, So Hink and I were talking via Facebook about the Tropical Cyclone naming topic, since i am approaching the end point of the tropical cyclone naming article. As a result we wonder if it would be better if Tropical Cyclone Naming became The history of tropical cyclone naming and Lists of tropical cyclone names became tropical cyclone naming. I also personally feel that List of historical tropical cyclone names would be better if it was strictly restricted just to the historical names and X amount of current names rahter than having ATL, EPAC and PAGASA at 2019 and the rest at some random point. Any thoughts are welcome as always - especially from people who i havent pinged.Jason Rees (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I confirm that JR and I had this conversation, and I agree completely on the articles moving. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: Ok wait. So you are saying that the article: Tropical cyclone naming shall be removed or moved? Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That article should be moved to History of tropical cyclone naming, and the current article on Lists of tropical cyclone names should be moved to tropical cyclone naming. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to make sense and is fine with me. Inks.LWC (talk) 19:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Ok. I am fine with the article moving to "History of tropical cyclone naming". But why move the current article of List of tropical cyclone names? I like it. Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Although are you going to remove all the "future" names of tropical cyclones? I like those tables as well. Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is a better title for the content it covers and I have suggested that we remove the future names from the List of Historical tropical cyclone names since it seems to breach WP:Crystal and WP:Original Research by suggesting that the name Pam could be used this year.Jason Rees (talk) 10:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I agree with the argument that including future names is a per se breach of WP:CRYSTAL. Granted, we have to be careful how we word it, and if we said, "Here is the list of future storms...", that would be problematic, but a list of verifiable, tentative names is more than that. such a list is more than just a prediction, speculation, etc.; it's a verifiable fact that, as of right now, the names on the rotation are blah, blah blah. Inks.LWC (talk) 11:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A summary of 2001–02 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season will appear on the Main Page soon. Does the article need more work? I had to squeeze the summary down to around 1200 characters; was there anything I left out that you guys would like to see put back in? Btw, I'm getting some pressure to pretty up lead sections when I do these TFA paragraphs, but you guys are diligent, I'll leave that job up to you ... you may or may not be interested in copying some of my verbiage into the lead. - Dank (push to talk) 22:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think the summary looks great! Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Hink. - Dank (push to talk) 02:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep an eye guys!

@Jason Rees:, @Hurricanehink:, @Keith Edkins:, @Meow: and other users I haven't mentioned or possibly anon users who wanted to help, I just wanted to say as it is in the title: Keep an eye guys. This is because me and @Jasper Deng: have found 4 sockpuppet user thing from the old Instalok. I know it is hard and bad for us, but this is more serious! He had vandalized some of our tropical cyclone pages since Christmas 2014 and he is still continuing until today but different accounts. We never know if Instalok has a new hidden account here somewhere as well. I should probably say that if we create a "schedule" for editing and browsing news in Wikipedia. Who has a plan or does anyone agree or disagree? Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Btw as well, if you spot a user who edits with bad grammar tell me or Jasper Deng including username. Also look for weird and "close" Usernames as well since Instalok made a name which is close to my username: Typhoon2015 and close to @Supportstorm:'s username: Support the storm. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Typhoon2013: Chill. If you have any suspicions about sockpuppets of him, please file them at WP:SPI. Since you heavily edit his topic (tropical cyclones), he should be easy to spot. Do note that CheckUser isn't for fishing and that without specific usernames to accuse, we can't do anything.--Jasper Deng (talk) 08:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; I think creating a schedule to be on Instalok Watch seems a bit excessive. If you see his vandalism, revert it and take it to SPI. Other than that, it's not something I'd worry about too much. Inks.LWC (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Gabrielle (2013) article under construction

Currently, the Tropical Storm Gabrielle (2013) is under construction at Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Tropical cyclones/Sandbox 1, feel free to add any more info if you like. 98.174.223.41 (talk) 15:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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