Talk:Adolf Hitler

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2015

MLG360GABEN (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

This edit

Nick-D, it's not exactly what Wikipedia would define as a reliable source, but click here and fast-forward to 1:20 minutes, there you can hear the narrator say, "despite being the most written about and filmed individual in history". Also, in regard to your edit summary in reverting this addition, I think Hitler would indeed qualify as the most filmed person, regardless of times, in history; doesn't strike me as a thing that needs consideration. I'm sure others will agree. Anyhow, I suggest we re-add the sentence and perhaps several editors, not just me, could look for a source to properly back up the claim as I don't have accesses to a whole lot of books. Best, Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 12:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmm? most filmed? I doubt it simply because of the omni-presence of news cameras in modern life (unless we mean 'reel/real' film). Most written about? Hard to assess. Most infamous or most often referred to in films and documentaries? Very possibly, but the main point is that VERY clear + strong sources would be needed to justify the inclusion of any such claim.Pincrete (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

A good RS source would be needed before it being re-added to this GA article. Kierzek (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

New photo

The infobox photo has changed, I think I prefer the old one, better face shot. Thoughts?Pincrete (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

In the old one, he is facing to the right (not recommended for info box), and this one is straight on, which has advantages. However, the old one shows him in uniform, which is good imo. File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-S62600, Adolf Hitler.jpg might also be worth considering. -- Diannaa (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Present choices are

A

B

C

A or C gets my vote.Pincrete (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind putting "C" up for a while. -- Diannaa (talk) 18:56, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Cropped version of "B"

I say B because Hitler is facing towards the camera without smiling or making faces; best way to show how he commonly looked. Should also be noted there is a cropped version of that photo. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 15:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

The cropped version comes across as being a little blurry, in my opinion. -- Diannaa (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. The un-cropped B gets my vote. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I have been involved with these discussions before; on here and other articles. What has been agreed to for other articles, such as Marilyn Monroe and Jackie Kennedy is to rotate a few different photos so it does not get stale and all the readers only get to see is the same photo, year after year. With that said, I vote of a change for a time to B then C. Kierzek (talk) 19:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

And Kierzek, are you referring to the un-cropped or cropped version of B? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 22:17, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I've changed the image to "B".--Mr. K. Kowalski (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I reverted it as I don't think that consensus has been reached. Re: the options, I agree with Kierzek in swapping to B for now, and C in the future. From memory of previous discussions, the desire was to avoid photos which glamorise Hitler, and I think that these options achieve that: he looks like a puffed up fool in B (and A) and a rather underwhelming figure in C. Nick-D (talk) 11:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree no consensus was reached and the discussion is still ongoing. That being said, I think choosing photos for the infobox should not be made on the grounds that "he looks like a puffed up fool". In truth, it's nothing more than individual opinion. One might even say it's a violation of WP:NPOV. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 13:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I presume that when referring to 'B', people mean 'cropped B', which is more 'portrait like'? I personally like B less because it looks 'stilted', which perhaps is synonomous with 'puffed up fool'.Pincrete (talk) 15:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

By "B" I mean the standard length one; the cropped version comes across as being a little blurry, as Diannaa stated above. And yes, he does look like a "posing peacock". Kierzek (talk) 16:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Why do we need a new photo anyway? Has Hitler's appearance changed recently? Britmax (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Very much indeed. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Worth mentioning?

Hitler was Time magazines "Person of the Year" in 1938. How come this isn't mentioned? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 22:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Try searching for "time magazine" in the article. Nick-D (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Lul, I thought I had already done that... must have made a typo somewhere. Anyways, cheers for the notice. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 23:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Jewish Bolshevism

The current text in the article:

"Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy."

The problem is that there is no mention of what the conspiracy was called and that it was only Jewish. Hitler regularly spoke of destroying Jewish Bolshevism and viewed the Jews as being behind Bolshevism, communism and Marxism.

Which is why I suggest changing it to:

"Hitler frequently proclaimed his belief in Jewish Bolshevism, a conspiracy theory that the Jews were behind communism and Marxism."--Mr. K. Kowalski (talk) 01:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree with changing it. The new version is longer, but actually imparts less information, because Hitler also believed capitalism was part of a Jewish conspiracy, and you've left that out. Perhaps we can find somewhere else to add the wikilink. -- Diannaa (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree with the change either; in fact, I was in the process of undoing it, when another just beat me to it. It is frankly, not as well written and does not improve the sentence as far as the information conveyed for the WP:Lead (which is a summary of the text in the body). Kierzek (talk) 14:29, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Would it not be worth while linking Jewish conspiracy with Jewish Bolshevism? Here are some excerpts from Ian Kershaw, Hitler 1889-1936:

<copyright material redacted> --Mr. K. Kowalski (talk) 19:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps we can find somewhere else to add the wikilink, somewhere in the body of the article. I don't think it fits in well in the lead. Perhaps where it says " The group, financed with funds channelled from wealthy industrialists, introduced Hitler to the idea of a Jewish conspiracy, linking international finance with Bolshevism" we could add "Hitler came to view the Jews as being behind Bolshevism, communism and Marxism, and later regularly spoke of destroying Jewish Bolshevism." We need a page number from Kershaw. Please don't paste such large excerpts of copyright works onto this wiki, not even on talk pages. It's sketchy from a copyright point of view, and unnecessary, as most of the people monitoring this article have already read their Kershaw. --Diannaa (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

The page numbers from Hitler 1889-1936 Hubris are 257, 259, 303. It could also be worth noting that Hitler's intention of destroying Jewish Bolshevism played a huge part in the invasion of the Soviet Union.--Mr. K. Kowalski (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Whereas the intention to destroy Jewish Capitalism, was the motive for invading everywhere else? (rhetorical question), I agree with Diannaa and Kierzek that present lead is better. I have insufficient knowledge to judge whether later inclusion is worthwhile/necessary.Pincrete (talk) 08:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The Blitz

Shouldn't the article mention that the RAF began bombing German cities and towns in May 1940? When Hitler ordered the London Blitz in September 1940 it was partly in response to the RAF having already bombed Germany for four months. (DieterAnders (talk) 10:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC))