Talk:Crips

History

The history section is linked to an article that doesn't exist. According to the Encyclopedia of Gangs, Crips stands for Community Relations for an Independent People.[1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memphisdude (talk • contribs) 03:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• Actually, start reading on page 43. They tell a different story from the attempt to make criminals look like political reformers (ie the community relations acronym). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Juggalo allies

An editor removed a statement that the Crips are "allied" with Juggalos from the infobox, and another editor restored it. After examining the cited source, it seems that the source indicates that Juggalos are aligned with Crips in one county in Colorado. Per WP:UNDUE, I don't think that such a narrow association deserves a spot in the infobox, because it gives the false impression of a wider alliance. The association may merit mention in the article text, where it can be fully explained, but not in the infobox. I plan to remove the statement from the infobox unless there's objection here. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 18:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

• Might want to look again. It specifies Garfield County, CO; Pueblo, CO; Lackawanna County, PA and Oklahoma City. We're making too big of a deal over the word "allied". Nobody is claiing some big national treaty here. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Crips and Surenos False Alliance Claim

Crips and Surenos are not allies! In fact, they are very violent enemies! Just because they claim the same color does not automatically make them allies!! Surenos, aka Sur 13, are street Soldiers for The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) Prison Gang. La Eme are allies with The Aryan Brotherhood and for a very long time have put out an order to Sureno street gang members to cleanse their streets of not only African American street gang members, but African Americans in general. As far as the claim that Nortenos and Crips are enemies. That is also FALSE! Nortenos are street soldiers for La Nuestra Familia Prison Gang, aka NF, who are the direct enemies of The Mexican Mafia, as well as Surenos. The NF has an alliance with The Black Guerilla Family, BGF, due to both having common enemies in La Eme and The Aryan Brotherhood. Nortenos claim the color red but show respect to all who return the respect. Growing up in Central and Northern California, I would see first hand the Crips and Nortenos hanging out and joining forces to battle Surenos. California Youth Authority, CYA, is full of C-14 gang members. (not to be confused with C-14st Clanton, an LA Sureno Gang)This coalition of Crips and Nortenos and the unification of "C" and "14" shows that there is not any bad blood between both gangs. If anything, if there is beef between the two gangs, it is usually on a case by case basis, as with everything else. But for general purposes, The Crips and Nortenos are NOT enemies!! The Crips and Surenos are NOT allies! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.37.2 (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• You might want to read our policies on WP:Verifying entries using reliable sources. What you've done here is to give us your personal opinions/experience, known on Wikipedia as original research. None of what you said is usable in the article. That said, there were no sources specifically on the Sureno or Norteno entries so I removed them. If someone finds a source and returns them, they'll likely be kept.Niteshift36 (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Crips and Surenos are allies because they have Common enimies Its Just certain Sets. Sur 13, are street Soldiers for The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) Prison Gang. La Eme are allies with The Aryan Brotherhood in Prison, Most of these Racist Surenos are fake internet bangers and the real Racist ones are Mostly White or white Mexicans. Nortenos and Crips are enemies on the streets. Nortenos are street soldiers for La Nuestra Familia Prison Gang, aka NF, who are the direct enemies of The Mexican Mafia, as well as Surenos. The NF has an alliance with The Black Guerilla Family, BGF, due to both having common enemies in La Eme and The Aryan Brotherhood. Nortenos claim the color red but show respect to all who return the respect.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.103.186 (talk • contribs) 21:42, December 16, 2013‎[2]

Bloods and cribs are no big enemies

Since quite some time Bloods and Cribs don't have such a strong feud anymore. They can even be seen hanging around together. Influencing characters show support. I would add it to the article but I am not allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:56:C927:4501:40C9:ABE7:F3AD:E78C (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The article is protected to block unsourced additions. Do you have a reliable source for your claim? - SummerPhD (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

• Do you mean Crips?Niteshift36 (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Split

Support split - Jeremy Meeks has been well publicized and should have his own article. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - Not notable. Meeks is not the subject of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources sufficient to write a reasonably detailed article. At the moment, the only source given is Huffington Post regurgitating corrections on Bullett and Gawker. If true, the original reports would have made him a non-notable possible future model. Now he's a non-notable non-future model. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
• Delete: Not only does it not merit it's own article, it doesn't even merit mention in this one. This is a non-notable BLP1E that has zero impact on the overall topic of the Crips. If you make it a separate article, it will likely be deleted. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

• Why did you even propose this split if you were going to split the article anyway, less than an hour after soliciting the discussion? I've nominated the Meeks article for deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Any further comments should be addressed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Meeks. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Knowledge

i would like to say something about the crips and bloods. some younger members moving into Albrithgsville, pa, and were fighting and killing each other in the local school, Penn Kidder Campus. unfortunately, i have no sources, except the principle and the superintendent, and a teacher that talks about these things. what can i do about this, like adding this piece the the article? Y0shimari0 (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Nothing you're saying indicates that it's actually notable. Just because something happens doesn't mean it gets included here. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2015

Scott is mispelled Scoott in a passage 173.70.160.182 (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! Kap 7 (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

New content

@Niteshift36:, Hello! Well as you can see I mostly edit gang articles. I have edit and added content on the Sureños, 18 street, Aryan Brotherhood, Norteños, Gangster Disciples, Wah Ching, White power Skinheads, and etc. I know that you saw my edit on the Norteños article. I added the Raya shooting. Raya is one guy, and I heard that the Norteños gang membership is around 2,000. You agreed with my edit the Norteños, and you even reworded the content that I added there, but for the Crips who had 5 guys involved; (vs. 1 guy for the Norteños) you disagree? I think it should be added on the article because it was news and it's a notable case. It is part of their criminal history. Could justify your revert, and comment here on why it shouldn't be added on the article. ----BlueRedPurpleGreen (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Raya is different. Whereas the trafficking in this case was heinous and got local coverage, the coverage was contained mostly to the region it occurred in. It was news, but most newsworthy events aren't actually that notable. Raya however got national coverage. He was a Iraq war veteran, used an "assault rifle", killed a cop, wounded another and got into a shootout with SWAT. On top of it all, much of it was caught on video and the story was heavily covered by national media. I'll also say that it had an impact on law enforcement in terms of tactics and helped spur them to start looking into the military-gang connection more. Bith events were newsworthy, Raya became notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• Addendum: The number of people, in and of itself, isn't really a big factor. If 5 Crips kill a Blood on a street corner in Compton, that's not terribly notable. But if one lone guy, like Mark David Chapman, kills a John Lennon, it's darn sure notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015

The following text (in the 2nd paragraph under History) is repetitive (going so far as to repeat the exact same phrases):

The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country. In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits resulting from crack cocaine distribution induced many Crips members to establish new markets in other cities and states. In addition, many young men in other states adopted the Crips name and lifestyle. As a result of these two factors, Crips membership increased throughout the 1980s, making it one of the largest street gang associations in the country. In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.

Suggested tightened up version:

The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country. In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.

Ridingincar (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Done You're right, two of the sentences are almost identical. Stickee (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016

The letters "CK", which stand for "Crip killer", will be avoided and substituted with a double "cc", and the letter "b" will be replaced with a "c". The words "kick back" will instead be written as "kicc cacc". JaccsAndJokers (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Tim's

Between crips and bloods the peace of the two. Anyone can join any time. NO FIGHTING UNLESS ATTACKED. I Timothy Created this. WE ARE FRIENDLIES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.135.171 (talk) 23:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2016

Stanley "Tookie" Williams is not a co-founder of the crips. Tookie joined the crips much later. Raymond "Truck" Washington is the sole founder of the crips on the east side of south los Angeles. Raymond later, in 1971 convinced an existing gang called the Smaks in 100 streets on the west side of South Los Angeles to become Crips and take the name West Side Crips, while Raymond converted his gang on the other side of the 110 freeway to the East Side Crips. After this merger/conversion, Tookie abandoned his Al Capones ganag and became a west side crip and assumed leadership because of his size as a bodybuilder. 172.127.5.11 (talk) 16:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC)