User talk:Bishonen

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This user has been blocked from editing Wikipedia 3 times. And the last admin blocked by Jimbo. The LAST. Don't trifle with her.

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Peeta Singh

Hello Bish. FYI Peeta Singh is violating his topic ban, see this, this, this and this. Cheers, - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 06:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Saw this at the top of my watchlist. As I'd already warned for topic ban violation once before, I've blocked for 48 hours as an AE action. —SpacemanSpiff 07:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you both. Oh, look, what a beautiful page notice picture today, thank you User:MONGO. I just this minute warned another topic banned user who had gone right ahead and violated their ban. The fact is, they hardly ever get it. I always tell them specifically to read WP:TBAN when I ban them, but apparently they never do. Maybe I should start quoting it at length? Bishonen | talk 10:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

Arghh, I can't believe I wrote articles instead of pages in Peeta's ban notice. Changed now. It makes no difference wrt the violations you blocked for, Space. Bishonen | talk 10:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

@Bish: I clicked edit just to see that MONGO picture! Cool Tetons... ages ago I visited the Yellowstone, stayed for a while in Jackson Hole with a family. They, pre-wikipedia NPOV pioneers, gave me two stories behind the name. Those majestic peaks were called Teton by lonely, French-Canadian men with imagination (Tétine, teats = téton) who were apparently trying to cross the vast midwest country to get somewhere, or it might just be the name of adventurous Lakota Indians in Lakota-speak, who knows. On quoting WP:TBAN, I doubt it will help the person behind the sanctioned account, but it sure will add more work for you. @Peeta Singh seems upset unfortunately, links IAR for @Doug Weller to read, added a note inviting you to block. All this after the kind words and suggestions by @RexxS, @SpacemanSpiff and others above. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Ms Sara, I saw the rather sad message from PS to Doug. :-( Please note again that "@" system you have doesn't ping people — not sure if you were trying to do that? You need to link their username, the way I just did with yours. Actually, when I wrote about the edit notice picture, it was a wonderful mountain lake — it switches every twelve hours, courtesy of RexxS. The Tetons are cool too, indeed. Bishonen | talk 14:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

Sometimes I just use "@" to identify the addressee, not to ping. With a lot of participants, I find it easier to read a thread. But indeed, sometimes I just goof up. I don't think I need to ping you when I post on your talk page; but may be I am mistaken. Now am wondering about that 'wonderful mountain lake'!, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Heheh, I bet you are. Here it is. Bishonen | talk 16:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

@SpacemanSpiff: thanks for the block. I was in a content dispute for him so was loathe to do it myself. Doug Weller talk 15:57, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Great...some folks get views of mountains and I get to look at a Praying Mantis. MONGO need add more pretty pictures...mantis not pretty.--MONGO 05:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Hurry up and look now, little MONGO, it's a storm! Not pretty, but magnifique. Better take a good look before it turns into a whiskered fish! Bishonen | talk 16:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC).
    • Grrrr...I got a weird looking bird. MONGO slow.--MONGO 21:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:AN3

Could you please also block 172.58.216.164 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). You blocked one of the old IPs but not this most recent one? Thanks. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, Celia Homeford! I've blocked the range 172.58.216.0/23 now, which takes care of both of them. Please let me know if you should see any obviously related IPs that are still at large. If necessary, I could block a slightly larger range. Bishonen | talk 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

New Violations of Sanctions

Fly-by socks: Image of incendiary socks dropped from free flying balloons. Detail from: Civil Defence Training Pamphlet No 2: Objects Dropped From The Air (3rd Edition). Issued by the Ministry of Home Security. This training pamphlet described some of the objects which could be found on the ground after an air-raid, including certain items which, though not of enemy origin, may be mistaken for hostile weapons, and others that may drop from the air at any time.

Since it seems like you were one half of the decision on this AE [1]to give TTAAC an -ahem- 'last warning' about his disruptive behavior, I wanted to bring to your attention that there's been yet another jaw-dropping 1RR violation by this user no less than a mere few hours 'AFTER' the AE thread was closed with yet another "last warning" to that user: [2] [3].

Forgive me for the irritation I may cause to the powers that be, but appeasing TTAAC like this over and over again and in the past has only served to empower him over the years (and this isn't the first time he has bullied and conned his way out of consequences for his behavior). It should be about conduct and competence, not a false equivalence about politics and a /false/ perception about how Trump supporters are unfairly treated on wikipedia. Their movement is largely an anti-intellectual one. So it's par for the course if they continually run into conflict with others in a decidedly *intellectual* community like wikipedia. The rest of us non-partisan historians shouldn't have to suffer because other overly-sensitive types feel like they these far-right conservative editors should be graded on a curve. It's not about liberal versus conservative. It about how many good editors who don't even go to speak up at AE because disruptive editors such as TTAAC have driven them off of articles that Arbcom recognized need special protection. Otherwise, why do we bother with the distinction at all?

I will never understand why Admins are so reluctant to enforce Arbcom discretionary sanctions and then even when a formal case is filed they second-guess whether the sanctions are really necessary, especially in a case as blatant as TTAAC. In fact, when TTAAC thought he was going to be topic banned he blamed it all on a liberally-biased conspiracy to rig the system against him, citing "a fix".[4] He only began to watch his behavior carefully at the end when and only when he was under the gallows. How you all missed that is mind-boggling. That he resumed his disruptive behavior (see above) the very moment the investigation was over shouldn't come as a surprise. Also ignored in the AE, in favor of appeasement, was the fact that TTAAC had been called out for a serious BLP violation when he falsely slandered the Christian American President of being the founder of the radical Islamic terrorist group ISIS.[5]. Maybe in America this is the norm where a black President's birthplace can be questioned without evidence and his religion questioned without reason. On the international community that is wikipedia, I hope the standard is higher. Never one for drama, I'm content with occasional editing of history pages, leaving the drama to the others, which is why my ego hasn't required the creation of an account until now. But if necessary to take a stand against this disruptiveness, then so be it, count me in officially.

Make no mistake, this was never about a willy-nilly mistake by a grumpy first-time editor. In that instant, I too might be so inclined to believe that only a slap on the wrist was deserved. Certainly "power tools" are required to fix this kind of slanderous damage to law-abiding public servants and others by wikipedia when it is misused this way by attacks dogs like TTAAC and Hidden Tempo.Lurking4thetimebeing (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm tired of fly-by socks. Please log into your regular account if you expect me to address your concerns. Don't avoid scrutiny, it's not respectable. Bishonen | talk 17:09, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

A kitten for you!

Edit conflict? with moi? It would be our first conflict ever...

Drmies (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

[Darwinbish herds off the little critter to join her hitman training camp and eventually her lifeguard.] darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 19:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

Appreciate, little Drmies, it'll be fine here. It's a mistake to think db eats them (they're more useful as capos) or even that Bishzilla will eat them (she's fond of pointing out that they're too small to be worth the trouble; possibly that's some kind of hint about giving her BIG food). Bishonen | talk 19:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

Article needing a DS tag?

Hi, Bish! Take a look at the article 2016 United States election interference by Russia. It's being furiously battled over at the moment. Do you think it might slow down the battling if it were logged as a DS article? Just a suggestion; as you know I don't do admin stuff on political articles. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

And with good reason, her being Trump's wife and all. Perhaps you could put a decorative picture of yourself on your userpage.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh crap, Melania. I have to dig out another ever-loving template? Why is my life so full of them? [Slouches off miserably to look for something suitable.] And then I'm to log it somewhere, no doubt about it. This is what I get for telling you you're only supposed to do fun stuff on Wikipedia. Isn't it? Bishonen | talk 20:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

Yep, that's what you get. When you give someone advice, there's always the danger that they will take it. 0;-D And Bbb23, believe me, if I were really as good looking in RL as Melania is, you better believe I would have a picture of myself on my userpage. --MelanieN (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

(wrinkles his nose) Not my brand (says Lucy), MelanieN, but chacun a son gout.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

You're such a gentleman. How about this: I put HER picture on my userpage, with a disclaimer. --MelanieN (talk) 21:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh yes, like User:Percy Bish Shelley who has a lovely portrait of the Romantic poet on his userpage: "I'm not this guy". That's the ticket. Beautifying one's page but without deception. I wonder if I should have a pretty bishounen on mine? Bishonen | talk 21:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

If I may ask a question, I see you logged the DS notice and the page says that these actions must be logged. However, I have seen users just place a DS notice on the talk page and that is it. I have seen actions against users based on those notices, even though it is not properly logged. Indeed, I found one on a page that was so far out there that I removed it. It seems to be that sometimes people place them there incorrectly. What is the correct procedure? I do think admins/editors need to be aware that if you place a template on a page it must be logged. 🔯 Sir Joseph ^🍸(talk) 21:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

:) SashiRolls (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

It would sure be helpful if, when article are placed under strict Coffee™ restrictions, we also added extended confirmed editing restrictions so that the obvious socks, trolls, and agenda-driven SPAs would not have the upper hand in content disputes by their sheer numbers. So far, this has not been much of an issue at this article, but I would be surprised if it doesn't become one in the next few days. My poor head hurts just thinking about it. MrXasperation 21:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Your head hurts, MrX? And now you want me to go find another template? I admit I do know exactly what you mean. Maybe tomorrow. Bishonen | talk 22:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

Yeah, sorry about that. I did try to make it easy by linking to a template that can be copied to the link I also provided.- MrX 22:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd have to add, MrX, that Extended Confirmed Protection is not something we use lightly. It is supposed to be used rarely and only after standard Semi-Protection has failed. We certainly can't use it pre-emptively just in case there might be disruption. Obvious socks and trolls can and should be dealt with individually - and many are screened out anyhow by semi-protection. POV warriors are another problem, harder to deal with, but many of them would be eligible to edit under Extended Confirmed anyhow. --MelanieN (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I know MelanieN, I'm really just venting here, shortly before I burn out.- MrX 22:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I hear you. Don't give up, an article like that needs reasonable voices (I am assuming you are one), and the DS actually do provide a good tool for removing POV warriors and other disrupters. I looked at that page and thought "this really needs help" but haven't had the time or energy to jump in myself. At least not right now. --MelanieN (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: The procedure for placing page restrictions under discretionary sanctions is outlined at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions #Page restrictions. The procedure and obligation on admins for logging is outlined at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions #Logging and Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions #Role of administrators. The Arbcom decision on discretionary sanctions for American Politics is at WP:ARBAPDS. The current log for WP:ARBAPDS is at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/Log/2016 #American politics 2. Perhaps the non-existent documentation for Template:2016 US Election AE should contain advice and relevant links, but unfortunately Coffee has unilaterally decided that I'm not allowed to edit the template to include such documentation. Somebody else's problem now. --RexxS (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, RexxS. I didn't notice, below, that you already had it in hand up here; also, I wanted to explain about admin discretion, because sometimes people (and, frankly, admins among them) seem to get the idea that an interminable AE discussion is supposed to happen before anything can be done in those areas. That's a mistake. Hey, I notice you didn't use any of those accursed anchors either! Bishonen | talk 22:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

You're welcome, chère. Those anchors are particular to the DS page, so it's not obvious to editors how they are to be used. In those sort of cases, I prefer to use standard section links when explaining to others, as it's one less novel item for them to take in. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I guess it seems from the links that only an admin can place the DS notice, and it must be logged. It appears some admins have been shirking their duties then. :) 🔯 Sir Joseph ^🍸(talk) 01:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I don’t see anything that restricts the tagging of Talk pages to admins; the links above appear to refer only to their applying protection, editing restrictions (1RR & the like), or edit-notices. In case your interpretation is correct, though, I hereby confess to having tagged Talk:Macedonians (Greeks) as falling under WP:ARBMAC and request that an administrator review same.—Odysseus1479 02:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Russia-US relations and WP:ARBAPDS

Hi @Bishonen: I see that you have notified everyone at Talk:2016 United States election interference by Russia that the article is subject to WP:ARBAPDS arbitration remedies. I'm not familiar with ARBAPDS, and I'm wondering if there's a central place where articles subject to it are listed? Also, I'm wondering if there's a place where the decision to place 2016 United States election interference by Russia under ARBAPDS has been discussed? I would love to see that list, and that discussion. Thanks, I appreciate it, am sure you're busy. -Darouet (talk) 21:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, I guess the discussion occurred on your own talk page! -Darouet (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

• Darouet and Sir Joseph, post-1932 American politics is a topic under standard discretionary sanctions. Please click on the link and... sigh... I've no idea how to use those kinds of ≠}{\¶‰¢¥¢‰¶ anchors. Make a search for "page restrictions". The idea of discretionary sanctions is that admins, can, at their own single admin discretion, place sanctions such as topic bans and page restrictions in an area. DS are emphatically not supposed to add an extra layer of bureaucracy, but on the contrary to make it simpler to do something about battlefield topics, so there has been no discussion of the kind you'd like to see, Darouet — even what you call the "discussion" above, which wasn't really one, wasn't needed. It was just me responding to a request from an editor, MelanieN, above, naturally after first assessing the situation for myself. The correct procedure is for an admin to decide on page restrictions, place a note about them on article talk, and log them here. And that log is also the nearest thing to a list of pages under page restrictions, Darouet. As far as I've seen, page restrictions are logged in a separate subsection for some topics ("Editing of Biographies of Living Persons", "Gamergate"), but not all. For instance, for American policics, everything is just logged chronologically, restricted users and restricted pages all mixed together. Adminning is a work in progress, performed by volunteers, so you get inconsistencies. However, it's always reasonably easy to find a particular article in the log for a given year — you can just make a search for its name. I hope this is clear. Bishonen | talk 22:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

• @Bishonen: thank you. I wasn't trying to indicate displeasure or put you on the defensive: I've been unsettled by editing behavior on the page and so I think additional oversight is ideal. I just wanted to be sure I understood the mechanics and could contribute to any discussion, if there was one. -Darouet (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#sanctions.page or Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Page restrictions :D Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

And, Darouet, just in case it wasn't clear from Bishonen's response: There does NOT have to be any discussion about placing an article under those restrictions. It is not a community decision. It does not require process or consensus. Any article relating to American politics since 1932 can be covered by the Discretionary Sanctions, at the sole discretion of any individual administrator. That process, authorized by the Arbitration Committee, exists for multiple subject areas that are likely to become battlegrounds, precisely so that action can be taken swiftly and without any bureaucracy. I could have done it myself, but I came here to ask Bishonen to consider it, because I am WP:INVOLVED at multiple articles relating to the the recent election so I do not take admin actions in those topics. (Bishonen may regard that as a convenient excuse to get me out of making any tough calls.... or to dump them on her!) --MelanieN (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Thank you! Clarification always helpful. I should probably know these things by now. -Darouet (talk) 22:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I do! But I also admit my own failure to edit those topics and help keep them clean day-to-day — an ungrateful job which you stubbornly perform, Melanie — is a convenient excuse for keeping myself "uninvolved" so as to be able to admin them occasionally. Bishonen | talk 22:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

High-five, my friend! We each have a role - and a convenient excuse to avoid having to do the other's role! --MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd rather have my job than yours, MelanieN. Sometimes it does feel like I'm unendingly explaining the abstruse wrinkles of Discretionary sanctions, and heck, of blocks, to inexperienced users. But that's OK, because a) I don't blame them, as discretionary sanctions are abstruse, and b) I'd much rather do that than to be unendingly answering stupid talkpage questions like you do. Especially that one, where the temptation to simply link to this would most likely get the better of me. Bishonen | talk 16:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

Yeah, I don't find it hard to be nice to newbies. I can relate. I sometimes feel like a newbie myself. (What's an anchor? 0;-D) As for answering the same question over and over, I don't mind. I recall what my high school trig teacher used to say to his fourth period class, mocking himself: "I have explained this three times already today, why don't you understand?" --MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk page protection

Is it possible to have my talk page indefinitely under extended-user protection? Whoever is trolling me keeps coming back as soon as protection expires so it will save everyone a lot more time if this can be made possible. Thank you.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 05:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I see Barek took care of it, though only for a month. Now I suppose we may see very patient sleepers waiting for one month and then making 500 nonsense edits, like this character, who I indeffed for gaming (I'm not as soft as Dennis thinks). Bishonen | talk 16:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

The only reason I asked for such an extreme measure is because even longer periods under that level of protection have been put in place but the person or persons who do this still come back. They are not saying anything particularly harsh, but it causes a lot of trouble for other editors who continuously revert him until an admin comes along. It is a cycle that has been going on for almost a year. Strangely, I know it is not CrazyAces so I have absolutely no idea why whoever it is feels inclined to keep this going on for so long.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Star + snack

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		With all due respect to the lovely menagerie, this one goes to the H. sapiens sapiens—the "one'n only 'onen". And, because barnstars aren't especially delicious, a bite-sized loaf of banana bread. (Don't give 'zilla; 'frigeration not required.) RivertorchFIREWATER 02:04, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

• One'n only 'onen, hehehe. Thank you User:Rivertorch, it's nice to see you yourself on my page, with all due respect to your evil twin. Banana bread, delicious! [Bishonen hides the banana bread away from the socks.] I only hope Darwinbish isn't already in there, tunnelling around like a pacman and gorging herself. She thinks that's a very good joke whenever I get something tunnel-able to eat. Bishonen | talk 11:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

BIGFOOT article is fine just needs a update

The Bigfoot article is fine it just needs a update like a few more more recent sightings P.I.M.S. (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

No, it doesn't need an update saying Bigfoot definitely exists, which is what you've been trying for on the talkpage, P.I.M.S.. Please use reliable sources. This is not the way to find reliable sources! And please pay more attention to all the warnings and advice on your talkpage. I'm afraid so far you have simply been wasting other people's time — and you think it's getting annoying?[6] Bishonen | talk 15:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

Sorry won't happen again P.I.M.S. (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

That's fine, then. Bishonen | talk 15:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

I promis it will never happen again and I will try to on make it up to you and McGedden P.I.M.S. (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Terabar

Will you topic ban Terabar for the same reason as you topic banned Barthateslisa? --Marvellous Spider-Man 17:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

I shouldn't think so. WP:AE is the place to request topic bans. Giving reasons and things. Bishonen | talk 19:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

But, Vanamonde93 made the request on your talk page against Barthateslisa, instead of WP:AE? --Marvellous Spider-Man 01:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

If you don't see any difference between Vanamonde's request and your pointy one, I can't help you. I'm too busy to start investigating a user who's completely unknown to me. Administrators are volunteers. You may be able to find some with more leisure at AE. Why do you keep changing your username? Bishonen | talk 10:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC).

Please don't block me!!!!!!!!!!!!p.s. see my talk page.

Don't block me!!!!!!!!!!! I love Wikipedia p.s. see my home page. Wordsighn (talk) 01:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Look I like you and I would like to have some friends please don't ban me please. Wordsighn (talk) 01:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't panic. I've answered on your page. Bishonen | talk 11:02, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

Thank you!!! Wordsighn (talk) 15:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know having book recommendations on y user page was bad. Thank you for the information it was very useful I didn't know the rules of Wikipedia so thank you for giving me a chance I probably should not have paniced and went overboard with the messages ..... Wordsighn (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

User page design center

Hey can you help me? I can't find out how to use the Wikipedia User Design Center. Wordsighn (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

RexxS, can you advise the user? I went to Wikipedia:User Page Design Center/Help and collaboration/FAQ and looked at the tips. Unfortunately, the note at the top, "This page exists only to help users with the design of their pages, not to design it for them. For that, go to Wikipedia:User page design center/Help and collaboration/Trading spaces", turned out to link to a long defunct page. Wordsighn is so new that I suspect he needs more practical help than those tips (and that's probably why he came to me). I'm pretty sure there's some help to be had somewhere, but that's as far as I've got. Wordsighn, I'm stupid about that stuff, but I've got very smart talkpage watchers, RexxS and others. Please wait until one of them posts either here or on your own page. Bishonen | talk 17:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

Yes, of course I can help, but I really need to know what Wordsighn wants. Perhaps if they looked around at other users' pages, they might find something they like and I could adapt it for them? User:Alarbus has an elegant minimalism about it. User:Giano has hidden links all over the image. Jack's userpage had lots of little flourishes. And so on. Multiple columns, different background colours, borders, drop shadows, etc. are all design features that can be used, but Wordsighn really needs to make some suggestions. --RexxS (talk) 19:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I really want a useful user page that has reliable information on it, can that be done? Wordsighn (talk) 20:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

FYI

[7] (already reverted) [8] (already reverted). --JustBerry (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, JustBerry. I've upped the block to a week (it's a static IP) and revoked talkpage access. Bishonen | talk 21:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

Not a problem, and thanks. --JustBerry (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Class455 (Merry Christmas!) 16:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

User:Penyulap

This user popped up on my radar about a year or so ago, and notice that they still come to Wikipedia. [9] Would it be worth looking into a possible unblock considering it has been like 4 years now since they got blocked? I am asking you because it looks like you have had dealings in the past with the user. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Knowledgekid87: Oh, that reminds me: I've got plenty of room to unhide Penyulap's hamster-powered barnstar at the top of the page again! Done... I don't think the wobbly TOC will interfere with it. I have indeed had dealings. I'll think about your suggestion and get back to you. Thanks for bringing it up. Bishonen | talk 12:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

You're welcome, and also unrelated but your namesake Bishonen could use some work. You interested in Yaoi or just have a random wiki-name? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I've edited Bishonen occasionally in the past, but I don't really want to; COI, you know. Update on Penyulap: I've tried to get in touch with him, so far without success. Bishonen | talk 17:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Okay well thanks for trying, if he still comes around though I am sure he will read it eventually. As for Bishonen I don't really see COI being of issue there, if you have knowledge about the subject and can source it then it would be beneficial. You have been on Wikipedia awhile now so I feel that you could work with others when it comes to neutrality. This is just my opinion anyways, it doesn't have to be a bad thing. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Season's Greetings, Bishonen! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 16:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

🎄, MarnetteD! Bishonen | talk 17:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Thank you

That is all. I wish I had your gentleness and patience. Guy (Help!) 01:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Really..? Half the time I feel like a wild-eyed slasher of promotional accounts and articles. But thank you, Guy. I thought this was very cool. Bishonen | talk 11:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC).

The annual Panettone

May you have very Happy Holidays, Bish

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and panettone!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The panettone! 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄, little Tenor! Bishonen | talk 15:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC).

My Christmas tree HINT HINT

And finally, there's a passel under the tree! Thank you, little Gloquenspiel! 🎁🎁🎁🎁🎁 Bishonen | talk 20:44, 22 December 2016 (UTC).

You're welcome Jolly Old Saint Bish! --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:08, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I've added another carefully wrapped pressie for you. You'll never guess what it is. --RexxS (talk) 22:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

It's an elephant-shaped box of salmiak, my favourite! I'm going to have to send Santa and her little helpers around, sing some Christmas songs! Bishonen | talk 09:56, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

Funnily enough, today we had some people by the house singing Christmas carols, which is a first for me. I found it peculiar that, as a Canadian, my first experience with Carolers is in Indonesia, and they were Australian. A merry Christmas to you Bish (and Bishzilla et. al.) And a happy new year. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 10:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

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Happy Christmas

From the Tex-pack to the Bish-pack. Tex (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2016 (UTC)