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- Very few people to possibly no one should be ever negatively judged regarding their behavior resulting from being savagely tortured daily in a POW camp. While a select few may be able to "hold out," suggesting that this is a reasonable expectation for a human in this situation is profoundly unjust and inappropriate. This is particularly true of anyone who hasn't been through such a situation. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB|2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB]] ([[User talk:2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB#top|talk]]) 13:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
- Very few people to possibly no one should be ever negatively judged regarding their behavior resulting from being savagely tortured daily in a POW camp. While a select few may be able to "hold out," suggesting that this is a reasonable expectation for a human in this situation is profoundly unjust and inappropriate. This is particularly true of anyone who hasn't been through such a situation. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB|2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB]] ([[User talk:2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB#top|talk]]) 13:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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A1:Nothing is being covered up. This article is written according to summary style which requires that material in other articles is only summarized here in this article. The information about McCain's use of the term "gook" is discussed in the articles on John McCain 2000 presidential campaign and Cultural and political image of John McCain. Many other controversial remarks by McCain are detailed in the latter article. The "gook" comment was narrowly used by McCain with reference to the specific people who captured and then tortured him in Vietnam; McCain stopped using the term in 2000, and many Asians did not mind him narrowly using the term in the way he did. Singling out this remark for inclusion in this article would give it undue weight, and providing the necessary background and context would also take up too much space in this article. This issue was previously discussed in March, May, and June of 2008.
A2: As stated above, this article uses summary style; think of it as an executive summary of McCain. Much more information about McCain's life, military career, political career, and persona is included in the McCain biographical subarticles shown in the navigational box: Early life and military career of John McCain, House and Senate career of John McCain, 1982–1999, John McCain 2000 presidential campaign, Senate career of John McCain, 2001–present, John McCain 2008 presidential campaign, and Cultural and political image of John McCain.
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Funeral details in lead
At Special:Diff/888820702, The One I Left added a clause about Presidents Obama and Bush giving eulogies at the funeral. It seems that consensus has been against hanging any more detail on this already-sizable lead section, right? John McCain § Death and funeral already has plenty of detail about this and everything else surrounding his death. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Fruit Salad
I would like to see Senator McCain's Military Decorations, (AKA Fruit Salad), would someone please post that with descriptions for each? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzzhuh (talk • contribs) 00:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Zzzhuh: The hatnote at John McCain § Awards and honors refers you to Early life and military career of John McCain § Military awards. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Escort
@Anthony22: With regard to Special:Diff/890864821, I think "escort" is the correct term per Taking Chance and its sources. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Allegations from POWs about McCain providing Intel to captors.
I'm curious to see that there is no mention at all of the very numerous allegations from fellow POWs in Vietnam that Mr. McCain supplied the VC with Intel on US air sorties. I've noticed other political figures have numerous mentions of disputed allegations in their bio. Is this a normal degree of bias in Wikipedia? Lakeraider01 (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Source? GMGtalk 20:16, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Very few people to possibly no one should be ever negatively judged regarding their behavior resulting from being savagely tortured daily in a POW camp. While a select few may be able to "hold out," suggesting that this is a reasonable expectation for a human in this situation is profoundly unjust and inappropriate. This is particularly true of anyone who hasn't been through such a situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3016:204:B1E0:3D2F:5F38:1955:BFBB (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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