[[Special:Contributions/94.118.0.234|94.118.0.234]] ([[User talk:94.118.0.234|talk]]) 09:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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:None of us will know if you don't propose an edit. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:None of us will know if you don't propose an edit. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
== Allegations of inappropriate physical contact ==
This section was deleted on 2019-05-12 at 19:37 by [[User talk:Buckworm]]. This was reverted. It was deleted again at 21:08; this time Buckworm added a note to their own talk page saying simply it was an "unfounded smear". On the contrary these behaviours are well-documented and this was a well-referenced section. Buckworm also did not answer the point that this was contrary to the consensus here on the talk page. Unfortunately that consensus was archived by a bot shortly after this short edit war but it can be found at [[Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 6]]. I am therefore re-reverting this deletion. [[User:Ijackson|Ijackson]] ([[User talk:Ijackson|talk]]) 17:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
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Did Biden oppose the Bin Laden raid for electoral reasons?
Text was added to the article claiming that was the case. The text was sourced to a WaPo op-ed by a AEI pundit summarizing a book by a [seemingly reputable] journalist. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
An edit added text claiming he was generally described as being between the center and center-left. The sourcing for this was insufficient, and in my view falsely suggested that Biden was somehow centrist (as in between the right and the left, e.g. like perhaps more appropriately Joe Manchin). Most sources seem to describe him as a "moderate Democrat", including those added in that edit. I'd also like to see more comprehensive sourcing on this, with different measures of "liberalness". More care needs to be taken with these descriptions. If I recall correctly, the Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine Wikipedia pages, for example, at one time falsely suggested that they were somehow not liberals, even though they had the voting records to prove it (never mind running the most progressive Democratic campaign in modern politics). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think moderate Democrat is best. All of the descriptions in U.S. politics are controversial or ambiguous to some degree, but this seems like the least biased. He is in the Clinton-Obama group of the party. While his policies may be more liberal at present, that reflects a general move of the party. TFD (talk) 23:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Of course they have a political philosophy. What has changed over time is their policy positions which change with social, political and economic circumstances. But their reaction to changing circumstances is predictable. TFD (talk) 05:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You do not have to. In your political philosophy, no matter what external events are, the answers are always the same. But in every other political philosophy, adherents adopt to changing circumstances. And they are only party-line so long as the party is in tune with their own views. Biden for example did not support universal health care in the 1980s and opposed school busing, against the party line. TFD (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The key thing to consider isn't our individual personal analyses, but what reliable sources say. Does anyone disagree with Snooganssnoogans' observation that "Most sources seem to describe him as a 'moderate Democrat'"? Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This section was deleted on 2019-05-12 at 19:37 by User talk:Buckworm. This was reverted. It was deleted again at 21:08; this time Buckworm added a note to their own talk page saying simply it was an "unfounded smear". On the contrary these behaviours are well-documented and this was a well-referenced section. Buckworm also did not answer the point that this was contrary to the consensus here on the talk page. Unfortunately that consensus was archived by a bot shortly after this short edit war but it can be found at Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 6. I am therefore re-reverting this deletion. Ijackson (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done - 
