Talk:Antisemitism

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I think the primary description gives liberalism a bit too much credit

Historically, antisemitism have existed in just about every liberal government with little to no opposition or concern until after WW2. And even at that point it was due to some rather self serving motives in a lot of instances. To equate the interests of Jewish people with one singular ideology that has for most of its history persecuted and excluded Jews is pretty revisionistic. I understand that liberalism is the modern day status quo, and as such it influences popular assumptions about history. But prior to the holocaust, the hotbeds of antisemitism was places like France, England and even Canada. These were all liberal governments, and antisemitism was far from an opposition to their liberal values. Liberal values include borders, visa requirements, travel restrictions, migrant politics, and numerous other things that are incredibly harmful - and often times deadly - to any diasporic people. Whether Jews, Roma, or refugees who were once settled.

It feels a bit propagandistic, and presents this idea that liberals can't be antisemities. In spite of how some of the biggest antisemities in history were liberals, including Tsar Alexander II and Henry Ford. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.180.157 (talk) 15:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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Also I didn't notice the Americans bickering here. For clarification: I'm in Europe, when we say liberalism we refer to the politics often framed by enlightenment era philosophy. This includes what is colloquially referred to as conservatives and democrats in the US. So I'm not taking a side there, this is in fact aimed at both sides and those who represent similar politics in Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.180.157 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Many of us would dispute the suggestion that Tsar Alexander II and Henry Ford were liberals. Irrespective, the above is purely unsourced original research. If you can find a reliable source that make these claims, then please bring it here for discussion. Without any source, this cannot (and will not) be included in the article. RolandR (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

It's not exactly a full takedown of liberalism, but at least in some countries the rise of liberalism brought with it an antisemitic zeitgeist History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania#1860s_and_1870s has several citations to sources backing up the prevalence of antisemitism among the Romanian liberal intelligentsia of the 19th century. I would expect that similar sources could be found for other countries as well. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:50, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

           I'm sorry, you need evidence of that Europe was antisemitic? Remember those countries I mentioned before? Ever read about their stance on Jewish refugees in the 1930s? Liberalism was useless for people who tried to escape the holocaust. British media published headlines such as Hurrah for the blackshirts! and made every effort to antagonise and abuse Jewish people just in the exact same way they're treating refugees today, and this all happened with liberal migration policy. Here, the washington post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/what-americans-thought-of-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii/?noredirect=on

Fewer than 5 percent of Americans surveyed at the time believed that the United States should raise its immigration quotas or encourage political refugees fleeing fascist states in Europe

Just first result, this is common knowledge for most people interested in history. There's an obvious whitewashing of liberalism's history of antisemitism here, and it's very much akin to holocaust denial, since the antisemitism of liberal countries directly condemned millions of Jews into death camps. 78.69.180.157 (talk) 19:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

NPOV/n discussion on inclusion of Islamophobia/Antisemitism/religious hate in Racism in X articles

Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Islamophobia, Antisemitism, and other religious hate in "racism in X" articles may be of interest to talk page watchers here. The issue is whether to include Islamophobia, Antisemitism, and other religious hate in Racism in country X articles. Icewhiz (talk) 19:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)