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This article was nominated for deletion on 12 March 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

What are we doing?

Is this really what we want from wikipedia? Another partisan tool? I feel like we had the chance to do something good here and it's being used for character assassinations. Is it possible to hold negative opinions about a political figure without regurgitating them all over the symbol of a free and prosperous internet? 2600:6C42:7400:248:F1BD:5F8E:FF9F:DF40 (talk) 23:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This argument has been brought up before. Please view the result of the argument discussing the article's deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Trump as source of real fake news

Several sources have accused Trump of pushing his own real fake news for years,^[1]^[2] including the use of fake names which he used as pseudonymous sources to "spread favorable stories about himself or his projects" and "spread baseless gossip about his romantic and sexual exploits."^[3] Ruth Marcus, in a Washington Post article entitled "Donald Trump: Stonewaller, shape-shifter, liar," described how Trump was caught masquerading as his own spokesmen, "John Miller" and "John Barron", and then lied about it. She described how "a candidate willing to lie about something so small will be a president willing to lie about something big.... [A]ll politicians lie, but there is a difference between the ordinarily distasteful political diet of spin, fudge, evasion and hyperbole and the Trumpian habit of unvarnished, unembarrassed falsehood."^[4]

Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune mentioned Trump's "obsession with (his own) 'fake news'" and Trump's February 6 tweet that 'Any negative polls are fake news...' Page ridiculed the tweet: "'Fake news'? Look who's talking."^[1] Brian Stelter responded to Trump's tweet: "No, President Trump, negative polls are not 'fake news'." Stelter noted that DeRay Mckesson's response was: "'Negative news = fake news' is the beginning of tyranny."^[5]

Referring to the birther movement, Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary under former President Obama, told Stephen Colbert that Trump has been pushing fake news for years.^[2]

Maureen Dowd, Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for The New York Times, described Trump as a source of fake news: "Consumed by his paranoia about the deep state, Donald Trump has disappeared into the fog of his own conspiracy theories. As he rages in the storm, Lear-like, howling about poisonous fake news, he is spewing poisonous fake news.... He trusts his beliefs more than facts. So many secrets, so many plots, so many shards of gossip swirl in his head, there seems to be no room for reality...." He prefers "living in his own warped world."^[6]

Sources

^ ^a ^b Page, Clarence (February 7, 2017). "Trump's obsession with (his own) 'fake news'". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved February 9, 2017.
^ ^a ^b Phillips, Kristine (March 1, 2017). "Trump has been pushing fake news for years, Obama's former press secretary says". The Washington Post. Retrieved March 2, 2017.
^ Rozsa, Matthew (March 1, 2017). "Donald Trump acts as his own anonymous source in meeting with network anchors". Salon. Retrieved March 3, 2017.
^ Marcus, Ruth (May 17, 2016). "Donald Trump: Stonewaller, shape-shifter, liar". The Washington Post. Retrieved March 1, 2017.
^ Stelter, Brian (February 6, 2017). "No, President Trump, negative polls are not 'fake news'". CNN Money. Retrieved March 6, 2017.
^ Dowd, Maureen (March 18, 2017). "Trump, Working-Class Zero". The New York Times. Retrieved March 19, 2017.

BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 04:32, October 26, 2018‎ (UTC)

Discussion about fake news

Syria (& Turkey) ... new section?

Starter for a new section?: Trump’s False Tweets on Syria by Lori Robertson and D'Angelo Gore, FactCheck.org posted on October 10, 2019 X1\ (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days.

Update? Per [1]. X1\ (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well BR did this and I tweaked it. Is there a "latest tally" elsewhere in this article that needs update? ―Mandruss ☎ 23:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mandruss: my apologies. Thank you both. X1\ (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blue lie

I wonder whether the expresson "blue lie" is approriate here. It is new to me, so I searched the web. It seems to have started as the lie that police tell a suspect, something like, "Your friend has confessed in order to get a reduced sentence. You might as well confess, too." And then includes a false story about a crime told to the public, in order to trap the guilty. I'm not sure that the there is enough backing for using the expression as descriptive of false statements of Trump. TomS TDotO (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the recent statement about withdrawing troops from Syria, followed up by military action could be excused as a "blue lie", but I am not aware of any such claim. TomS TDotO (talk) 13:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

useful? Factba.se

https://factba.se

via Why President Donald Trump's Twitter typos matter on YouTube CNN Nov 3, 2019

X1\ (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Why was my statement;'Mirabile dictu, now we have the likes of sports-betting sites being prepared to take bets on Trump's "inaccuracies", based on numbers from the Washington Post's Fact Checker!." removed?Ériugena (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[Page_2/7/2017-1] Page, Clarence (February 7, 2017). "Trump's obsession with (his own) 'fake news'". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved February 9, 2017.

[Phillips_3/1/2017-2] Phillips, Kristine (March 1, 2017). "Trump has been pushing fake news for years, Obama's former press secretary says". The Washington Post. Retrieved March 2, 2017.

[Rozsa_3/1/2017-3] Rozsa, Matthew (March 1, 2017). "Donald Trump acts as his own anonymous source in meeting with network anchors". Salon. Retrieved March 3, 2017.

[Marcus_5/17/2016-4] Marcus, Ruth (May 17, 2016). "Donald Trump: Stonewaller, shape-shifter, liar". The Washington Post. Retrieved March 1, 2017.

[Stelter_2/6/2017-5] Stelter, Brian (February 6, 2017). "No, President Trump, negative polls are not 'fake news'". CNN Money. Retrieved March 6, 2017.

[Dowd_3/18/2017-6] Dowd, Maureen (March 18, 2017). "Trump, Working-Class Zero". The New York Times. Retrieved March 19, 2017.

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 Is this really what we want from wikipedia? Another partisan tool? I feel like we had the chance to do something good here and it's being used for character assassinations. Is it possible to hold negative opinions about a political figure without regurgitating them all over the symbol of a free and prosperous internet? [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C42:7400:248:F1BD:5F8E:FF9F:DF40|2600:6C42:7400:248:F1BD:5F8E:FF9F:DF40]] ([[User talk:2600:6C42:7400:248:F1BD:5F8E:FF9F:DF40|talk]]) 23:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
+This argument has been brought up before. Please view the result of the argument discussing the article's deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
 == Trump as source of real fake news ==