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The query is speculative. But given his past behaviour, his current appearance is probably a gimmick, like most of his products. [[User:Surfingus|surfingus]] ([[User talk:Surfingus|talk]]) 08:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Does anyone know?
Does anyone know why Elon looks like an Asian-Caucasian hybrid? Does he have an Asian root somewhere? Or perhaps South African Bushman roots through his father? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1383:8B32:223:12FF:FE20:7BC7 (talk) 18:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
no we dont — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.77.64.5 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The query is speculative. But given his past behaviour, his current appearance is probably a gimmick, like most of his products. surfingus (talk) 08:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Change "is a technology entrepreneur, investor, and engineer." to "is an African-American technology entrepreneur, investor, and engineer.".
Similarly to Gaspar Noé being Argentine-French (i.e. born in Argentina but now being of French citizenship) and Jim Carrey being Canadian-American (born in Canada and now having Canadian and American citizenship), Elon Musk is truly African-American, having been born in South Africa and now holding citizenship in the U.S.
I would like to see this addition made to his page, as it is valuable, correct information regarding the subject. It is commonplace on Wikipedia to see the nationality-citizenship of a person given in their initial description, so it is certainly appropriate to add this information to Elon's page.
Please note that he is not "African American" but "African-American" and that this distinction is important. While African Americans are black Americans, African-Americans are those born in Africa who now hold citizenship in the U.S. Halfinjest (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Not done This has been discussd before, and the current wording that puts his professions in the first sentence and his countries of citizenship in a separate second sentence is the result of consensus. Rosbif73 (talk) 16:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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Im sorry to interrupt anyone during the use of your precious time by suggesting this change.
I do like the idea however, that the best first words to describe Elon Reeve Musk after "Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is a" would be " Business Magnet " after that, the article should continue like it does at the moment.
My propose comes from a long time studying him threw his biography, conferences he attended, informations about him and his companys threw the internet, wikipedia and videos. I really believe that this Description fits his work and definition best. It really seems to be the case that he studied so many areas so that he really attracts business ideas, great people and overall aknowlegdement. This would also put the aspect of him not beeing a businessman, but rather an engineer in focus.
Let me know what you think about this proposal and keep striving for knowledge!
Best Regards Daniel Leinert (talk) 22:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: This (the subject's desire to be described as a "business magnet" here) has been thoroughly discussed here many times and rejected each time. See the FAQ at the top of this page. We do not describe subjects as they would like to be described, but as they are described in published, reliable media. None have described him as such (and the phrase is erroneous anyway -- the correct term is "business magnate," not "magnet." Most likely, Musk is just trolling us through this request.) General Ization Talk 22:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- To put this in context, the lead did describe Musk as a "business magnate" at the time he made this jestful "request". Rosbif73 (talk) 06:44, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
double quotes (") inside double quotes
In the Tesla section it states:
According to ABC News, "As recently as Oct. 4 2018, Musk issued a sarcastic tweet, describing the agency [SEC] as the “Shortseller Enrichment Commission,” despite having agreed to settlement terms a week earlier that his company, Tesla, would monitor his tweets and other communications."
shouldn't it read like this instead? (I put the changes, the qoutation marks, in big): According to ABC News, 'As recently as Oct. 4 2018, Musk issued a sarcastic tweet, describing the agency [SEC] as the “Shortseller Enrichment Commission,” despite having agreed to settlement terms a week earlier that his company, Tesla, would monitor his tweets and other communications. '
I would make the changes myself, put the page is locked, so i can't.
TGRFAN (talk) 02:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)TGRFAN
- It's the opposite, but I implemented a fix. Thanks :) UpdateNerd (talk) 03:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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