According to the sources that are already in place on the Wikipedia page, even though sources are conflicting about her birth year either being 1969 or 1970 , the latter appears to be the year more often preferred by serious publications. I've also noticed that a lot of the sources provided in support for 1969 are much more scarce. Indeed, by taking into considerations only the sources presented there, there are twice as much sources backing the year 1970. Also, this might be more subjective, but among the sources used in support of the year 1969, there are fewer authoritative sources or if they are then the article itself is more or less of questionable merit. While The Routledge ''International Who's who ?'' would typically be well researched, all the others are merely show-business news snippets about pretty mundane concerns and were certainly not the result of thorough research like a feature piece would be.
According to the sources that are already in place on the Wikipedia page, even though sources are conflicting about her birth year either being 1969 or 1970 , the latter appears to be the year more often preferred by serious publications. I've also noticed that a lot of the sources provided in support for 1969 are much more scarce. Indeed, by taking into considerations only the sources presented there, there are twice as much sources backing the year 1970. Also, this might be more subjective, but among the sources used in support of the year 1969, there are fewer authoritative sources or if they are then the article itself is more or less of questionable merit. While The Routledge ''International Who's who ?'' would typically be well researched, all the others are merely show-business news snippets about pretty mundane concerns and were certainly not the result of thorough research like a feature piece would be.
Also based on the fact that Carey doesn't object to the claim or have any kind of reaction whatsoever to what her mother is stating, is somewhat an indication or at the very least a clue from which we could make the inference that this information is accurate. I get this is is somewhat speculative and I'm not saying Carey would have objected verbally or corrected her mother mistake on television, but I think most people would have some sort of reaction either, verbal or on a much more smaller scale like a change in gaze or just a smile if their date of birth was stated incorrectly in their presence. Also, for what it's worth, I think it is safe to say that for recollecting any event surrounding one's birth, a mother is a much more able and reliable source than a child himself or herself could ever be. Now, someone could argue that her mother stated the year incorrectly, but honestly, that would just be weird. I don't know if that settles it for you. I know it did for me. I was convinced by it. I find this statement to be pretty clear and unequivocal. What do you think ? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><smallclass="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]]comment added by [[User:Alexandrelussier|Alexandrelussier]] ([[User talk:Alexandrelussier#top|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Alexandrelussier|contribs]]) 12:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Also based on the fact that Carey doesn't object to the claim or have any kind of reaction whatsoever to what her mother is stating, is somewhat an indication or at the very least a clue from which we could make the inference that this information is accurate. I get this is is somewhat speculative and I'm not saying Carey would have objected verbally or corrected her mother mistake on television, but I think most people would have some sort of reaction either, verbal or on a much more smaller scale like a change in gaze or just a smile if their date of birth was stated incorrectly in their presence. Also, for what it's worth, I think it is safe to say that for recollecting any event surrounding one's birth, a mother is a much more able and reliable source than a child himself or herself could ever be. Now, someone could argue that her mother stated the year incorrectly, but honestly, that would just be weird. I don't know if that settles it for you. I know it did for me. I was convinced by it. I find this statement to be pretty clear and unequivocal. What do you think ?<span style="background:#23B5E1;padding:4px 3px 3px;color:#FF4500">[[User:(Alexandrelussier)|'''Ale<s>X'''Metz</s>]]</span>[[User talk:(Alexandrelussier)|<span style="background:#002FA7;padding:4px 3px 3px;color:#FF00FF"><sup>❯❯❯Reach me!]]</sup></span> 12:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
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I think we might have to update the picture of Mariah at the 20th Screen Actors Guild Award with a picture of her at the 2019 Billboard Music Awards where she was honored with the Billboard Icon Award.
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In the introduction it says that she is the only artist whose first five singles reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100. According to the singles discography and album articles her fifth single released was "There's Got to Be a Way" that didn't even chart on the Hot 100. I don't know if first four singles reaching number one is still a record, but somebody should check for this. --Clemens (Talk) 12:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mariah Carey's 2019 album "Merry Christmas (Deluxe Anniversary Edition) to her Discography. And remove "born March 27th 1969" , and change it to March 27th 1970. Themeaningfulrock11 (talk) 05:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not done I'm not sure re-releases are appropriate for inclusion there, but 1969 either way should remain until someone can prove beyond any reasonable doubt Mariah was born in 1970 (there are multiple legitimate sources for each year and a 2013 RFC agreed to include both as a compromise). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
After researching all the sources including the ones cited on this page, her birth year should state the year 1970 instead of 1969 because there are a lot more sources for 1970 than there are for 1969. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
First account testimony (by proxy) as proof of Carey's Year of Birth
I wanted to bring to your attention an additional source related to her birth year that could potentially be added to the many sources that are already there. I chose not to add the source myself since I know varied conflicting sources have been contradicting one another for many years and I'm assuming the sources you've already carefully selected the many sources that are already there. I thought this source was interesting since it is basically from a first account (from her mother). In
this 1999 episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show,
Oprah talks with Carey and her mother about biracial identity. Around 18min 18 seconds, Carey's mother says this:
"They didn't like us because we were living as, you know, a black and white couple and that just wasn't done. And in 1969, we were in that neighborhood. And in 1970, when she was born [gesturing in Carey's direction], we moved out of the neighborhood."
In my opinion, the fact that Carey's mother appears on television and refers to the year "1970" as the year "when she [Carey] was born", even gesturing towards Carey while she does ( making it even more clear that she is indeed talking about Carey) speaking about Carey), is a pretty solid proof to support the claim she was born in 1970.
According to the sources that are already in place on the Wikipedia page, even though sources are conflicting about her birth year either being 1969 or 1970 , the latter appears to be the year more often preferred by serious publications. I've also noticed that a lot of the sources provided in support for 1969 are much more scarce. Indeed, by taking into considerations only the sources presented there, there are twice as much sources backing the year 1970. Also, this might be more subjective, but among the sources used in support of the year 1969, there are fewer authoritative sources or if they are then the article itself is more or less of questionable merit. While The Routledge International Who's who ? would typically be well researched, all the others are merely show-business news snippets about pretty mundane concerns and were certainly not the result of thorough research like a feature piece would be.
Also based on the fact that Carey doesn't object to the claim or have any kind of reaction whatsoever to what her mother is stating, is somewhat an indication or at the very least a clue from which we could make the inference that this information is accurate. I get this is is somewhat speculative and I'm not saying Carey would have objected verbally or corrected her mother mistake on television, but I think most people would have some sort of reaction either, verbal or on a much more smaller scale like a change in gaze or just a smile if their date of birth was stated incorrectly in their presence. Also, for what it's worth, I think it is safe to say that for recollecting any event surrounding one's birth, a mother is a much more able and reliable source than a child himself or herself could ever be. Now, someone could argue that her mother stated the year incorrectly, but honestly, that would just be weird. I don't know if that settles it for you. I know it did for me. I was convinced by it. I find this statement to be pretty clear and unequivocal. What do you think ?AleXMetz❯❯❯Reach me!12:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. Please provide reliable sources for this information. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)