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[[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 17:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
[[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 17:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)



: Agreed, it fails verification so I removed it. It also is not a conspiracy theory. [[User:ImTheIP|<span style="color:#807">Im</span><span style="color:#870">The</span><span style="color:#087">IP</span>]] ([[User talk:ImTheIP|talk]]) 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
: Agreed, it fails verification so I removed it. It also is not a conspiracy theory. [[User:ImTheIP|<span style="color:#807">Im</span><span style="color:#870">The</span><span style="color:#087">IP</span>]] ([[User talk:ImTheIP|talk]]) 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


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what is there to clear up ? As you wrote above, the Ian Odoherty article is about the same incident. the incident is from 2008, and Odoherty wrote about it in 2012. There's no contradiction here at all.


== Hyenas ==
== Hyenas ==

Revision as of 22:57, 12 December 2020

Scapegoat

How does this page omit a discussion of the tradition of punishing scapegoats? --Dystopos (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because no one (as of this date) accused Israel of re-instituting a Biblical practice that hasn't been performed for over 1,900 years. Zozoulia (talk) 12:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominate for deletion

This article is clearly propaganda 121.45.171.107 (talk) 02:07, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Material removed from article (Rats section) pending verification

In July 2008, the official Palestinian news agency, Wafa, accused Israel of using "supernatural rats" that "can even chase away Arab cats" to encourage Arab residents of the Old City of Jerusalem to flee in panic.[1]

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The Irish columnist Ian O'Doherty wrote after the incident: "Terrifyingly, the rats even know the difference between Jew and Arab and they leave the Jews alone while terrorising the Arabs. Further proof, as if any were needed, that these Jews are just too sneaky for their own good. That, or the fact that Palestinian newspapers are perhaps a little biased in their coverage."[1]

was removed, both give a 2008 article as source ref which is a dead link. A search on wayback turns up http://web.archive.org/web/20141222032347/http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/save-us-from-the-jewish-rats-26465732.html which although apparently the same subject matter, is dated in 2012.

Assuming it is the same subject matter, then the material fails verification because WAFA is nowhere mentioned.Selfstudier (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.swuarchive.com/news/article.asp?id=487 identifies (with quotes) two other Palestinian newspapers (Doherty also says two Palestinian newspapers but does not name them).

Taken together the two sources appear to contradict the assertion in the Jewish Post reference that the material was published by WAFA.

There is a discussion about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#The_rat_story

Anyone want to try and clear things up?

Selfstudier (talk) 17:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Agreed, it fails verification so I removed it. It also is not a conspiracy theory. ImTheIP (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b O'Doherty, Ian (31 July 2008). "Save us from the Jewish rats". Irish Independent. Retrieved 25 August 2015.

what is there to clear up ? As you wrote above, the Ian Odoherty article is about the same incident. the incident is from 2008, and Odoherty wrote about it in 2012. There's no contradiction here at all.

Hyenas

The section Israel-related_animal_conspiracy_theories#Hyenas is an unsubstantiated allegation. That is not the same thing as a conspiracy theory. Thus, the section should be removed. ImTheIP (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No its not, its reported by WP:RS.Please gain a consensus as per requirement in this page --Shrike (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Palestinians accused Israeli settlers of releasing wild hyenas in Jenin." That is an unsubstantiated allegation. But it is not a conspiracy theory. Since it is not a conspiracy theory, it is irrelevant for this page. ImTheIP (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About the Third Opinion request: The request made at Third Opinion has been removed (i.e. declined). Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, Third Opinion requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If an editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. — TransporterMan (TALK) 19:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A conspiracy theory requires an imagined conspiracy. The text in question doesn't allege that a conspiracy exists and it is therefore not a conspiracy theory. The source does not claim that it is a conspiracy theory either. ImTheIP (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The top of the page clearly states: Zoological conspiracy theories involving Israel are occasionally found in the media or on the Internet, typically in Muslim-majority countries, alleging use of animals by Israel to attack civilians or to conduct espionage. These conspiracies are often reported as evidence of a Zionist or Israeli plot. So that's what this is. Any claim of Israel using animals in this way, is listed here. Dream Focus 20:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The cited article reads [1]: Ramallah: Palestinians in the occupied West Bank city of Jenin say that Jewish colonists have released wild hyenas into the eastern part of the town. I cannot see how that sentence have anything to do with an Israeli or Zionist plot. It's not a conspiracy theory either. ImTheIP (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]