User talk:SuperJew

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Retreat

Welcome, Why did the decline in an List of international goals scored by Tim Cahill. My edits True, calculate the number of goals and will notice it. Thank you.--عبد المغيث (talk) 18:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@عبد المغيث: I recalculated, and you are correct. Apologies for my error. --SuperJew (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

My brother, no problem. My greetings.--عبد المغيث (talk) 21:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi SuperJew, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Thank you very much! --SuperJew (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Tournaments

Hey, great work on the friendly women's articles in March. Is everything covered? I tried to search for more per the existing article(s) but came up empty so far. Kante4 (talk) 18:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Kante4! I think everything is covered (was going to say 2020 Turkish Women's Cup needs to be created, but then saw you went ahead and did that already ;) ). Maybe there should be a squads page for it (I've seen announcements for Chile, Kenya, and just now Ghana). Also 2020 Cyprus Women's Cup should have a squads page. I'm also planning to make new squad pages for older tournaments and format existing ones to match the recent ones (you can see the list in my sandbox :) ) Welcome to help out with whatever you have the time and energy for. I should really get back right now to studying for my anatomy exam tomorrow :/ --SuperJew (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I need to find the fixtures for the turkish one. Squads "can" be created but not the first thing for me (great to see you got them covered, really appreciated. Maybe i will help at some point but don't count on that). Good luck tomorrow. Kante4 (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: No worries, I'll work on it more after my exam :) Let me see about fixtures from a quick search - this mentions group B's opening fixture. this mentions Kenya's games (though also mentions Uzbekistan, so...), Goal.com mentions Ghana's games. Soccerway don't have matches yet either, and I can't seem to find any info about group A. --SuperJew (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, fixtures for certain was available but nothing "full". Format, etc... Surprised Turkey does not play their own tournament. Kante4 (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: Got this gem for you ;) Not so surprised about Turkey not playing... also Cyprus aren't playing in the Cyprus Women's Cup and Spain isn't playing in the Pinatar Cup. --SuperJew (talk) 19:51, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Nice, thank you. Yeah, could have figured this out myself. :D Kante4 (talk) 19:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: Interesting trend I'm seeing in the SheBelieves Cup squads' pages in the "player representation" section. The first two editions the players are *only* from the domestic leagues of the four nations participating (England, France, Germany, USA), In the 3rd edition same apart from 2 players (Spain & Australia), from the 2019 with Brazil & Japan replacing France & Germany seems more diverse and than in 2020 with Spain replacing Brazil seems to be going back to the previous (all from the nations apart from 4 playing for French clubs). --SuperJew (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, interesting indeed. The "big" nations also have good leagues where their best players want to play most of the time. Or they go and play for another "big" club in a "big" league. Like the league in Brazil is not as good as the one from Spain, France or Germany, so they go overseas. Kante4 (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: Yep seems to show exactly who's the top in women's soccer. Doesn't seem the same way in men's soccer. --SuperJew (talk) 10:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Destubathon

Look forward to seeing your articles! :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Please block this user

Hi SuperJew. Can you please block User:Tomlui007, because he has been idle when editing the 2019/2020 A-League table, as he has not been updating the date on four occasions and not moving the teams in their positions in the wikimarkup mode.

I even warned him twice, and always never updated the date or did anything right. I request a block for this user as this cannot keep happening.

Thanks in advance. --FastCube (talk) 09:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)FastCube

@FastCube:

a) I cannot block a user, only admins can do that.

b) I think mistakes in editing is a bit far to blocking a user.

--SuperJew (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

--FastCube (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)FastCube. Okay, but the ladder template even says: PLEASE UPDATE THE DATE. But okay, I won't request another block for "Tomlui007".

@FastCube: I'm not faulting you that Tomlui007's editing can be better :) I, however, can't block anyways. --SuperJew (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Turkish Cup

Hey, tough one. I would add the squad with a sepcific note that they withdrew and do not add them to the statistics. Or you can leave them all out right away, both would work i say. Kante4 (talk) 10:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: Good ideas. I think I will add them with the note as I believe in giving the most information possible to avoid confusion :) --SuperJew (talk) 10:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Book in Hebrew

Hi, I was wondering if you (or someone you knew) had this book:

• Shohat, Elisha (2006). 100 שנות כדורגל: 1906–2006 [100 Years of Football: 1906–2006] (in Hebrew). Hod Hasharon.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Unfortunately, I do not have the book. I can ask around, maybe a friend does. What do you need it for? --SuperJew (talk) 18:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm looking for information regarding the 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match. Specifically, the Lebanese players' names. I can only find their first (or last?) names. So I was hoping that the book would have a bit more info, maybe some more photos (or details like the colour of Lebanon's kit, for example). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: I asked a couple of friends and they don't have it either :( --SuperJew (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem, thanks anyway. Btw, from this website, can you deduce the Mandatory Palestine kit? Lebanon's seems to be Tyrian purple (second image from the top), but the Mandatory Palestine one has been described as "white and light blue" (at least, Google translation says so), but in the image below the Lebanese player, the kit seems white, with dark shorts (highly unlikely to be light blue). Maybe it's just regular blue, and the translation was faulty? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: The site indeed says Israel played in light blue-white. Seems to me the first and last images are the Israeli team. My guess is that the second image is Israeli and the third is Lebanese player. If I click save image, the file names seem to support this: the second one is named "גאול מכליס חלוץ ארץ ישראל פורץ לשער לבנון [Gaul Machlis, Israel's striker, bursts forwards to the Lebanese goal]" and the third one is named "קמיל מלבנון פורץ לשער ברקע המאמן הישראלי וויס [Kamil of Lebanon busts forwards to the goal. In the background the Israeli coach Weiss]" Btw, the article seems to say that Weiss was the acting coach for the match (בבוקר המשחק הזמין מרכיב הנבחרת, ארתור באר, את ארמין וייס להיות עזר כנגדו ולעמוד במשחק נגד לבנון על הקווים. וויס אשר היה אז מאמן מכבי תל-אביב, נענה לבקשה וקבל על עצמו את המשימה. הוא הרצה בפני השחקנים לפני המשחק ובמהלכו עמד על הקווים. [In the morning of the match day, the compiler of the team, Arthur Baar, invited Armin Weiss to be his right-hand man and stand on the sidelines during the match against Lebanon. Weiss, who was then the coach of Maccabi Tel Aviv, answered the request and took on the job. He lectured the players before the games and stood on the sidelines during it]). Hope this helps out. --SuperJew (talk) 21:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll also add that the other web source (Haaretz) has the same image but not cropped, and supports what I wrote above, that the guy on the right (who's in the second image discussed) is Gaul Machlis from Israel. --SuperJew (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Ahhh well, that complicates things ahahaha. Ok so I think I should have understood everything. In case I need anything else I'll let you know! (Btw, if you want to maybe take a look at 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match and see if all the info checks out). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

One question: might sound a bit weird, but the logo on the Mandatory Palestine shirts looks an awful lot like the Illuminati symbol ahahah. Is it just me? Or does it represent something particular in Judaism maybe? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 22:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, talk page stalking after seeing the message at the Football messageboard, but maybe worth asking Eranrabl as he seems to be able to find a lot of historical info about Israeli football. Annoyingly I did have the 100 years book, but threw it away when I moved back to the UK. Cheers, Number 57 00:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: it took me a moment to realize that someone else had commented ahahaha. Thanks for the suggestion, I've just asked him now. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, in case you were interested I've started a peer review for 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match, with the idea of promoting it to FA in the future. If you could give a couple of comments I would greatly appreciate it! Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 20:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Football/Women's football task force

Hello SuperJew,
You were kind enough to help me with a problem I had with a new article, see here. You also suggested a better place for future questions would be the task force talk page. I did as you suggested a few days ago (see section 10) and saw I tried there before a month ago (see section 7) but didn't get any answers/help. This is more of a "for your info", but do you know how active the women's football project is?
regards, --Dutchy45 (talk) 11:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: It's active enough, though not as active as say WP:FOOTY (which you're welcome to take general football questions to). It all depends on the editors of course. Personally, I'm a bit less active lately as busy with other things. Hmlarson might have more insight. --SuperJew (talk) 06:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Transliteration from Arabic, to Hebrew, to English

Hi, I have a transliteration issue going on. In the IFA article about the 1940 match, the Lebanon line-up is listed as follows: הרכב לבנון היה: נאזם, יאגוצ'י, סאקרה, גאורגיוס, בארביר, פלאח, ג'ארושי, נרקוסי, קמיל, אוקאן, ג'ארה. These names have been transliterated by The Palestine Post into: (Nazem) Sayad, Jeugiche, Sacre, Giragos, Barbir, Fallah, Yaroudi, Nerces, Kamil, Oxen, Jarad. Today, an article came out in Arabic about the Beirut XI national select team in 1946, and some names caught my attention. I want to run through some names I've found, and ask you if they could match with the names from the IFA. (Hebrew version in the left, Arabic in the right):

• Nazem Sayad = Nazem Sayadi
• Jeugiche = Yeguiche (Darian)
• Sacre = (Antoine) Saker
• Giragos = Georges (Chedrafian)
• Barbir = unknown
• Fallah = (Salah) Falah
• Yaroudi = (Muhieddine) Jaroudi
• Nerces = unknown
• Kamil = Camille (Cordahi)
• Oxen = Ohannes (Altawian)
• Jarad = (Dekrian) Gerganian

What do you think? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Hm I'll transliterate how I would read them based on my Hebrew (native tongue) and rudimentary Arabic (6 years learning in school a while back), though it's not always possible to know without the nikud.

• Nazem (or Nazam)
• Yaguchi
• Sakera
• Georgios
• Barbir
• Falah
• Jarushi
• Nerkusi or Narkusi
• Kamil
• Okan
• Jara

The ones which seem strange to me are the Jarushi / Yaroudi / Jaroudi with the "d" being used for the "ש" sound (which is usually "sh" or "s", but in non-Hebrew names it's almost always "sh"), and Oxen / Ohannes with "x" or "h" used for "ק" (which is usally "k" sound). The interchange of Y or J for "י" is well known, such as in "Jacob" which in Hebrew is pronounced "Ya'acov". The strangeness for me in these changes above though might be due to it being in Lebanese dialect which I understand has slightly different sounds in some stuff (like the ق being pronounced more as an "a" than a "k" IIRC), while my studies were mostly Classical Arabic.

Good on you for sticking with this - in general transliteration and finding the spelling which matches is hard (as I found out this month when trying to pull Ukranian names from a Cyrillic text for the 2020 Pinatar Cup squads). Hope this helps out. --SuperJew (talk) 21:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

First of all, nice on you for knowing about the ق being pronounced differently in Lebanese (ق becomes a ء (glottal stop), so you're not too far off). I think it's best to write down the names in Arabic, and you tell me if all the transliterations make sense:

• Template:Lang-ar (NAZM), Nazem = Template:Lang-he, Nazem
• Template:Lang-ar (YGHYSHE), Yeghishe = Template:Lang-he, Jeugiche/Yeguiché
• Template:Lang-ar (SQR), Sakr = Template:Lang-he, Sacre
• Template:Lang-ar (JURJ), Georges = Template:Lang-he, Giragos/Guiragos
• Template:Lang-ar (FLAH), Falah = Template:Lang-he, Fallah/Falah
• Template:Lang-ar (JARUDI), Jaroudi = Template:Lang-he, Yaroudi/Jaroudi
• Template:Lang-ar (KMIL), Camille = Template:Lang-he, Kamil
• Template:Lang-ar (OHANS), Ohannes = Template:Lang-he, Oxen
• Template:Lang-ar (GRGIAN), Djerejian = Template:Lang-he, Jarad/Jerard

Also, in how many ways can Barbir (Template:Lang-he) and Nercesse/Nerces/Nerkusi/Narkusi (Template:Lang-he) be transliterated? If you could give me a few more examples maybe I could understand to what Arabic (or Armenian) name they are referring to. Could "Barbar" and "Nakouzi", respectively, be plausible? Thanks again, Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 22:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: These transliterations seem to me close enough to be plausible. I also think we need to take into account that they might be penned by journalists who wrote wrong from hearing a language which isn't their native tongue. Also might be handwriting to print errors (that's what I would guess for let's say Ohannes as the ק and ה can easily be mistaken if written quickly).

Maybe I'll write out a transliteration of sound for each letter (without taking into account nikkud). בארביר would be BARBIR or BERBIR. "Barbar" would be plausible, if it was heard a little incorrectly. נרקוסי would be NRKUSI or NRKOSI. "Nakouzi" could be plausible, though that would seem someone added an "r" sound in, could be though from hearing. --SuperJew (talk) 08:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for your help! Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 13:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week

Hello there. This is an invitation to join the 50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week. £250 (c. $310) up for grabs in May, June and July with £20 worth of prizes to give away every week for most articles destubbed. Each week there is a different region of focus, though half the prize will still be rewarded for articles on any subject. Sign up if you want to contribute at least one of the weeks or support the idea! † Encyclopædius 19:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite Encyclopædius :) I have already started locating stub articles for AFLW and AFL and will be focusing mostly on Australia ;) --SuperJew (talk) 11:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Cool! The last week is dedicated entirely to Australia and Oceania as well!† Encyclopædius 11:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Checking in. Hope you're doing well during this time! MaskedSinger (talk) 07:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: Hey mate, thanks for the check-in. I'm coping... last period has been tough - haven't worked for the last couple of months but hopefully something will come up. How are you doing? --SuperJew (talk) 08:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: You're welcome :) Sorry to hear it. If there's anything I can do to help, please be in touch. B"H, all things considered, I'm doing ok. MaskedSinger (talk) 08:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: Thanks for the offer. Mostly it's just the disconcerting feeling when all your plans are ripped apart and you have to reshape everything. We'll overcome it. And there have def been positives, like my courses being online meaning I didn't have to do the Jerusalem-Rehovot commute this semester. --SuperJew (talk) 09:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: Hope you're staying cool! Sent you email - did you miss it? Or did you reply and I missed it? Shabbat Shalom my friend MaskedSinger (talk) 11:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: Having a look now. Been a busy week ;) --SuperJew (talk) 11:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: Did you see this cool news? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eial_Strahman#Sektzia_Nes_Tziona_F.C. Thought you'd get a kick out of it! MaskedSinger (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: Haha that's hilarious :) humanity's going stir-crazy ;) (and I noticed the pun :P ) --SuperJew (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks so much for the month review for the contest and your kinds words. Keep up the great work and positivity!! † Encyclopædius 11:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Encyclopædius: Cheers! I enjoyed writing it :) --SuperJew (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

WP:POINT

Please do not remove accessibility features for the blind to make a point. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Mate, you're pushing these changes you want by force despite people objecting to them, and just trying to blanket it all with some saying of "accessibility / blindness" stuff. You're the one who's keeping reverting and trampling other people's comments just to make a point. --SuperJew (talk) 20:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

SuperJew, "changes you want". There was an RfC for this that passed overwhelmingly. The community was very clear on its preferences. Not sure of what comments I "trampled" but we are all obliged to abide by the MoS and accessibility guidelines. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Sure, an RFC at a accessibility-centred page votes for accessibility. Big surprise there. --SuperJew (talk) 14:07, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

SuperJew, ...and that's a bad thing? RfCs are announced to the entire community. If you wanted to go to that page to say, "I don't want the blind to have access to Wikipedia", you were welcome to do it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: I was meant to guess there's an RfC? Forget it, this whole conversation is pointless. You're using the most rhetoric means possible to make a point. --SuperJew (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

SuperJew, No, you don't need to guess that there was an RfC: I just pointed you to the relevant section of our accessibility guidelines in the MoS: MOS:TABLECAPTION. I would think that this page saying "all data tables need captions" would be enough but somehow it isn't. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Grace MacIntyre

The article Grace MacIntyre has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Hack (talk) 01:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Football Destubbing Challenge Invite

Thanks for your efforts with Gracey Macintyre.

Hello SuperJew. You are invited to join the new The 1000 Destubbing Challenge for Football, a challenge which aims to see 1000 destubs on football-related articles from across the world. Articles on all related topics are welcome. Every 10-20 articles submitted will be copied into the wider 50,000 Challenge. Sign up on the page if interested and start contributing! If you know someone who might be interested, please invite them by: {{subst:WikiProject Football/The 1000 Destubbing Challenge Invite|~~~~}} Thanks, Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Opinion?

Hi, how's it going? In your personal opinion, which of these two articles is more likely to pass FAC, 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match or Lebanon national football team? They are on opposite sides of the spectrum: the 1940 match is shorter, more concise, and maybe more interesting; the national team is longer, more in depth, and less interesting. I had already nominated the national team for FA, but the nomination failed since only two people participated (and both pretty much approved it for FA, but still...) Thoughts? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Hey :) Um, this is actually not my field at all. Haven't been involved in it at all so I wouldn't really know. Personally, I would say off the cuff that the match sounds more likely. I would prefer to read a more interesting shorter article. --SuperJew (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you think there might be some Jewish/Palestine-oriented editors who might be interested in reviewing the 1940 match? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 18:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Not sure.. Haven't really gone into nationality here hehe. You can find at this category native Hebrew speakers, which I'd guess most of them are Israeli. --SuperJew (talk) 19:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I've nominated the article for FA. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Good luck Nehme1499!!! בהצלחה :) --SuperJew (talk) 21:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Rtl-lang :) Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

1940 Mandatory Palestine players

Hi. Can you help me out? Apparently 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match has too many red links, mainly due to the fact that no Mandatory Palestine player articles have been created yet. Thoughts on doing 50/50? I create the first seven players in the line-up (Mizrahi to Meitner), whereas you take care of the other seven (Erlich to Neufeld). Note that Dvorin and Neufeld already have articles on the Hebrew wiki, so some info can already be found there. A couple of things to note: the caps can be found here, and the Hebrew names here. Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Hey :) I could trying creating a few. Can't promise too much as I'm super busy rn IRL. --SuperJew (talk) 06:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry. Even if you just create a couple it's ok. Thanks! Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, can you please help me out with these two articles? This Ha'Aretz article mentions something about wind in the second half? Can you please write the exact sentence? And also, can you write down, in Hebrew, the title of the article ("Eretz Israel Beat The Lebanon in Football 5:1 (4:0)")? In this HaMashkif article it says that "In the first half the Palestine goalkeeper stopped the Lebanese balls in the 4th, 9th, 18th, 23rd, 28th, 32nd, 38th and 41th". Stopped means that Lebanon made eight shots on target, and the goalkeeper saved them? Or he stopped them in the sense that some of them were crosses, or passes, and he just collected the ball? Also, it doesn't describe how many saves the Lebanon GK made? Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 13:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I've created all the players. One question: is Lonia Dvorin's full name "Lonia Dvorin", or "Ari Dvorin" (see Hebrew wiki)? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 16:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Wow you're quick Nehme1499!

Regarding the wind, Haaretz says that in the first half Eretz Israel played against the wind (נבחרת ארץ ישראל משחקת בתחלה נגד הרוח), and in the second half with the wind but that despite that there felt there was a recuperation by Lebanon (עתה משחקת נבחרת ארץ-ישראל עם הרוח, ובכל זאת מורגשת התאוששות אצל הלבנונים).

Article title - ארץ-ישראל ניצחה את הלבנון בכדורגל 5:1 (4:0)

The Mashkif article - it's not entirely clear the meaning of "stopped" from that sentence. However I think it means shots, as beforehand it says that "only once the ball reached the hands of the Israeli goalkeeper, in the 9th minute, and no more". Later it also says "sevaral of the balls stopped by the Israeli goalkeeper drew wonder from the crowd. Mizrachi especially excelled stopping two hard balls in the 18th and 23rd minute". All it says about the Lebanon keeper is that he had a lot of work ;) --SuperJew (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for your help! Regarding the player pages I created; most are stubs (only listing their club in 1940 and their international statistics). If you could, in your own time, take a look at them, maybe add a bit of info from Hebrew sources, that would be nice. I think 3 or 4 already have quite a few info (taken from Hebrew wiki). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

The sad 2020-21 W-League

Will there be anyone left to play this coming season ? Going to be mostly NPL players and no Americans. Cant see teams like Perth Glory playing and committing to a season in the eastern states in a bubble - there's NO money for that sort of activity. Sad. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Yup, it looks like it's gonna be very low-level. The better players all going to Europe and hardly any foreigners. I think this does give an example of how it will be if they move the W-League and it has to compete with other leagues, and not on the off-season of other leagues. Frankly not looking good. Especially ironic that there was talk in the media to push for a super level W-League after winning the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup bid. --SuperJew (talk) 05:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Quick note on Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

Request  Done, please do any post move cleanup if necessary, Cheers Megan☺️ ^{Talk to the monster} 18:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Synoman Barris: Thank you! --SuperJew (talk) 18:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Look we don't really need to have 20 seasonal pages for the Australia national soccer team when it can be done with one as the national team doesn't have 'seasons' to go by much like most of the other pages that have been here. Also if I am being honest here, the fact that the players who played during this year could fall under WP:OR. HawkAussie (talk) 08:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Australia task force#National team results and answered there. --SuperJew (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Elizabeth Ralston

The article Elizabeth Ralston has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:NFOOTY and no evidence of being able to pass WP:GNG

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St. Kilda and Collingwood's finishing positions (2020 AFL Season)

Hi SuperJew,

Whilst I appreciate the edits you have made to the St Kilda and Collingwood pages, I'd like to present my point as to why St. Kilda is 5th and Collingwood 6th after-finals (and by extension, the Eagles and Dogs 7th and 8th, respectively).

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The finishing position are derived from both the round in which they bow out and their finishing ladder position at the conclusion of the season.

The Eagles finished 5th, and the Dogs finished 7th. Both lost in Week 1 of Finals, meaning the teams placed 6th and 8th will end the season with a lower draft pick than these two teams. As the Eagles were a higher finishing position on the ladder than the Bulldogs, they receive pick 13, and the Dogs receive pick 12. These picks can be used to see that West Coast (with a lower draft pick) finished 7th After-Finals, whilst the Dogs finished in 8th. Likewise, this applies to St. Kilda and Collingwood. The two teams lost in the Semi Finals, meaning their draft position is behind those who qualified for the Preliminary Finals. As the Saints finished in 6th at the conclusion of the season and the Pies finished 8th, St Kilda receives pick 15, and Collingwood pick 14. These picks are lower than West Coast's (who would be 7th), so we can say St Kilda finished 5th and Collingwood finished 6th. If Geelong, as an example, had lost to Collingwood, they would receive pick 15 as their ladder finishing position (4th) was higher than the Saints despite losing in the same round of finals.

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This is the standard across multiple AFL pages - the Team Pages, Season Pages, Records. As such, I'd appreciate if we could re-add the finishing positions as is the standard convention, as there has been no disagreement as a collective over this topic prior to now. In addition, if you do still take issue with how this is done, please post it on the Wikiproject Talk Page so a discussion with the wider community can be opened.

Thanks, Empoleonmaster23 (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Empoleonmaster23: Okay, after your explanation I understand your "rules" deciding the finishing positions in the finals. However this is not clear or intuitive. For example one might think the amount lost by in the final knock-out game or the results of H2H matches during the regular season could affect this - each tournament with its own rules.

Regardless the most important point I put forward and needs to be answered to include this is the point of outside sourcing. I have never seen any media or releases refer to finishing positions in this way. If there is, could you please show me examples? --SuperJew (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: Perhaps I should add some additional reasoning behind this as well. I don't think I've explained all too well initially, just scratched the surface. The AFL's draft pick order to also tied to the club's finishing position, taking finals into consideration. This information can then be used to determine the 'after-finals' finishing position. It isn't directly quoting any articles directly, but it using other sources (in this case, the AFL Draft Order) to determine where a finishing position lies. This is directly using the information provided by the AFL Draft Order - and it is explicitly stated the draft operates in a manner that finishing position influences draft position. As a result, the initial draft order should be a reliable source to rely upon. I've also edited my earlier example to better highlight its role as I'd truly do so before.

Thanks again, Empoleonmaster23 (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Empoleonmaster23: Are you sure about this? AFAIK the draft order is by the finishing position on the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season, and is not affected by the performance in the finals series. --SuperJew (talk) 11:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: Absolutely certain. It can seen on the indicative draft order Here - The Bulldogs, despite finishing above Collingwood (7th and 8th respectively after H/A), receive a pick equivalent to 8th position whilst Collingwood leapfrog both the Bulldogs and Geelong (with West Coast's pick) to hold pick 14 (6th place equivalent). If the draft position were based exclusively on H/A positions, the order would be as follows - Collingwood (no. 12), Bulldogs (no. 13), (Saints no.14), West Coast (no. 15). Please note this is using the order before any trade deficits and additional picks are added. Empoleonmaster23 (talk) 00:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Empoleonmaster23: Okay, I stand corrected (hey one learns something new every day), and I see the relevance of the "calculated" finishing position. I still think it is not intuitive and the average reader wants to know what round the club was knocked-out of the finals series. Therefore, I would suggest having a mix (for example "6th (lost Semi-finals)" or something similar) and/or have a note/link to another page explaining the "calculated" finishing position. --SuperJew (talk) 06:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: I can live with that compromise you've suggested, with the obvious exclusion of the Premiers and Runners-Up (who were already in text format and are fairly self-explanatory, really). I think the Format of 'Position (Round)' is fairly self explanatory, so I'll take to adding that to the four currently knocked out teams. Glad we could come to an agreement! Empoleonmaster23 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Empoleonmaster23: Yes premiers and runners-up makes sense :) Thank you for teaching me something new :) --SuperJew (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Women's Football / Soccer Update > October 2020

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Beersheba War Cemetery

Hey SJ, hope shit's going well for you and you're avoiding the zombie plague! I'm just wondering if you have ever been to this place? Just found out that my paternal great-great grandfather's brother died in WWI in 1917 and is buried here. Do you know any information about this memorial cemetery? It's cool if you don't! Cheers! - J man708 (talk) 05:17, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey, actually enjoying some of the silver linings of this plague - like studying online ;) I've never been to the Beersheba War Cemetery (don't really leave Jerusalem that much apart from uni when needed ;) ). I could ask my dad though.. he's really into history and also used to live in Arad. --SuperJew (talk) 05:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

There's tons of silver linings to this. It's given me the time to contemplate those things I've wanted to do for a while and create excuses as to why I can't do them... So, I'm just curious if this war memorial is quite well known? I don't know if it's some sort of Anzac pilgrimage thing or something, akin to Anzac Cove or Kokoda? I dunno. Just figured as a local, it was worth seeing if you knew anything or what the public perception is? I dunno, just mindless ramblings from me. - J man708 (talk) 05:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

So I asked my old man about it. He says it's pretty recent (around 3 years since it's a place to go to) and he's been twice - once by himself and once with my aunt and uncle when they were visiting from Melbourne. Says there's a terrific film about ANZACs in Palestine and with history and stuff as well as a nice volunteer guide (who's from Kooyong Road apparently). All together says it's worth the visit ;) --SuperJew (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I came to the realisation recently that the Ottoman Empire fought against Australia in 1914-1918 and fought against the Byzantine Empire in 1453. This means that technically Australia fought against the same country as the Roman Empire. Absolutely weird to think about. - J man708 (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jayah Brown

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Proposed deletion of Ainsley Buchanan

The article Ainsley Buchanan has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG; no substantial coverage at all about her career and nothing major coming up for her brief spells with either of the two clubs that she played for. Only appears to have made one substitute appearance at the highest level so that probably explains the lack of coverage [2] database database

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Oh, dear we're not even through the letter B yet ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 11:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

On Campagnale now :) Spiderone 11:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I didnt mean to encourage you. Matilda Maniac (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Later they'll tell you they're not trying to do a purge of women footballers from Wikipedia --SuperJew (talk) 16:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Technically all W-League players who have not played for Matilda's teams automatically fail WP:GNG as its not a fully professional league, which is the MALE-standard guideline. Agree that many of the articles are not really even stubs and need a lot more effort, and perhaps they will come back over time. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I am also aware that Perth Glory might be shortly pulling out for its W-League and Y-league teams - or both - as they would likely have to hub for >1 month in any one location, and there simply isnt the money. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: ugh yeah the leagues are collapsing. Most of the W-League players would be able to pass GNG though, as I demonstrated on Grace Macintyre when she was PROD'd. They should be taken to improvement, not deletion. I've just re-started uni studies though, so I barely have time for that. --SuperJew (talk) 06:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity

Hey, just out of curiosity, do these two sources add anything to the info at 1940 Mandatory Palestine v Lebanon football match?

1. המשקיף (Tel Aviv), №321, 28.04.1940; עיתונות יהודית היסטורית
2. הבקר (Tel Aviv), №1365, 28.04.1940; עיתונות יהודית היסטורית

Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles

Hi I have noticed that you have deleted some of the articles made by me citing that they are not related to the scope of the Africa. But, I have found those articles through ':WikiProject AfroCine/Article Suggestions' given under Diaspora tag. So if they are given under African diaspora, how it is not related to the African cinema or African people in cinema of other countries. If you are telling me that they are not belong to the Diaspora, then immediately removed them from that Diaspora part. Thank You - Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 15:53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

1. Kbela
2. Finding Samuel Lowe: From Harlem to China
3. Evolutionary Blues: West Oakland's Music Legacy
4. The Tale of Four
5. Olympia (2018 film)

@Gihan Jayaweera: How are these countries under the scope of Africa? They are in the Americas and the subject isn't even Africa. --SuperJew (talk) 14:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@SuperJew: That's why I told you to remove them from that Afrocine diaspora article. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Foreign A-League Players

What's the order? WDM10 (talk) 06:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@WDM10: Primarily by nationality. Secondarily by family name. --SuperJew (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. WDM10 (talk) 07:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Miedema

Hey, thanks for your edits on the Miedema article. To make sure you get credit for your work, can you update what changes you've made on the review page? Talk:Vivianne_Miedema/GA1. I started going through the first two sections. Thank you! Hmlarson (talk) 18:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Just did it to better the page. It's fine :) --SuperJew (talk) 18:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Any W-League players / AUSWNT players that you know of that should be worked on to good article quality / noms? Hmlarson (talk) 23:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: Quite a lot of W-League players are unfortunately stubs (for example Amy Jackson (soccer) with a 10-year career in the W-League as well as playing in college in the US), and just recently a couple of users have gone through a deleting purge of W-League players and seasons. From the Matildas, most of them have decent articles but missing large parts of their career in prose. Five for example: Ellie Carpenter, Clare Polkinghorne, Aivi Luik, Emma Checker, Amy Harrison. --SuperJew (talk) 06:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I’m aware. It’s rather sad what some people choose do with their lives. Fortunately, most articles are on Everipedia. Time is better spent expanding the current active players’ articles for now on Wiki. Thanks for the list. Hmlarson (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: There's also the WOSO project's list here. Also on my page there's a list of W-League players' pages I created when I was younger and foolish :) They're mostly stubs, and some were deleted/in the process of being deleted, so could use work if you have the time to put in. --SuperJew (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

What’s going on for the 20-21 season? Did they postpone or make any announcements? Looking forward to 2023! We hope to make some of the games. Hmlarson (talk) 14:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: Yup announced that it's kicking-off on 27 December, together with A-League. Will be 57 games with Grand Final in April. If you make games, get some good pictures so we can have for articles ;) --SuperJew (talk) 15:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: We're just talking and another one pops up. --SuperJew (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess they want to distract WP:WOSO editors from something.... what could it be? If the article has coverage to meet WP:GNG, best to just add the refs. Hmlarson (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: I don't really have the time or energy to fight about a one-line stub (which tbf was a bad creation of my "youth career"), though it is def to be improved, not deleted. --SuperJew (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Same. Better to spend time expanding current player and related articles. Those hopeful that these articles are deleted "FOREVER", are just ill-informed and bored. Hmlarson (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

✔️ Ellie Carpenter. Hmlarson (talk) 03:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Beautiful (and I was just sleeping all of shabbat ;) ) --SuperJew (talk) 17:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: Here's another example of an underdeveloped page for a W-League player: Kim Carroll (soccer) - has played for over a decade, making over 100 domestic appearances and over 50 senior national appearances. --SuperJew (talk) 07:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Are there refs to support GNG? Hmlarson (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: I'm sure there are. Let me see from a quick search - [3], [4], [5], [6]. Anyways she also passes WP:NFOOTY as she has played at least one minute of senior international football (she actually played over 50 games, including 3 AFC Asian Cups and one World Cup). --SuperJew (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Just a heads-up regarding Ellie Carpenter, the date format should be consistent (in both prose and in sources). Either dmy or mdy (whichever is most common in Australia). Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 15:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Yup, dmy is the most common in Australia (and all the world apart from USA and Canada) --SuperJew (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Daila Tais-Borg for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Daila Tais-Borg is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daila Tais-Borg until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Fully-professional claims

Hello. Really surprised to see you claiming that "fully-professional" is a "a term used mostly on Wikipedia". Are you really unaware that it's a real life thing? If so, I hope these uses by the BBC (or the equivalent full-time league), or multiple other news sources (The Athletic, RTE, The Times, The Guardian, Irish Times etc) will change your mind and you withdraw these comments. I appreciate a couple of other editors have made this misleading claim a few times previously, but you're not an editor I would have expected this of. Cheers, Number 57 17:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: From what I've seen, none of them seem to use it as Wikipedia does. Wikipedia basically says that a FPL is a league where all the players receive a certain salary (around average annual salary), while these media pages it seems unclear what the meaning is, and if anything it means that the league is fully composed of professional teams, i.e. all the teams in the league are professional and all the players are payed to play. Isn't it also jarring that this FPL essay has been around and used as an end-all point of discussion for years (12), but only less than a month ago was there any attempt to explain the meaning of the term? (even though it has been requested 11 years already). --SuperJew (talk) 20:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

The basic description of a FPL is one where all the players are full time professionals, and I think most people understand what this means (hence why no-one hurried to add the definition and first response to the request you mention "It's a pretty standard definition of what the professional level of football is... I don't see why it would be controversial."). Because for some leagues it has been impossible to find a source directly referencing a league as fully-professional, salaries have been used as a guide in some cases. This doesn't mean it is being used differently. Number 57 20:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I thinks it's a grammar question and there is a difference between fully professional league (=the league is full of professional teams/players) and between fully-professional league (=the league is at a professionalism level higher than regular professional). --SuperJew (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

It isn't. Fully-professional (with or without the hyphen) is used to refer to having full-time players. The divide is fully-professional (full time players) vs semi-professional (part time players). Number 57 20:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Professional means the player is played to play. That's it, no division based on how much they are payed. --SuperJew (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Of course there is. Some people are paid to do it as a full time job and some people get £50 per game (some players are even paid at level 11 in England). In some leagues the type of contract is actually mandated. Number 57 20:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Australians in England

Hi SuperJew (cc: Bring back Daz Sampson)- Are there any other Australians playing in the Women's Super League that you're aware of? Here's a list I've drafted, but I think there are more:

• Caitlin Foord
• Alanna Kennedy
• Lydia Williams
• Sam Kerr
• Mackenzie Arnold
• Steph Catley

Hmlarson (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: Chloe Logarzo is at Bristol, Hayley Raso at Everton, Emily van Egmond at West Ham (with Arnold), Jacynta Galabadaarachchi was at West Ham too until recently (I'm pretty sure she was the first Aussie to make the England move, though she moved from the W-League while most of the rest hopped the ditch from USA). --SuperJew (talk) 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Excellent. I updated the list:

1. Caitlin Foord
2. Alanna Kennedy
3. Lydia Williams
4. Sam Kerr
5. Mackenzie Arnold
6. Steph Catley
7. Hayley Raso
8. Chloe Logarzo
9. Emily van Egmond
10. Jacynta Galabadaarachchi

Hmlarson (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I updated Lynn Williams' club career section. Can you believe there are only two sentences under International? What's the slang word for WTF in Australia or is that universal? Hmlarson (talk) 03:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Haha Hmlarson, WTF is very much in use in Australia --SuperJew (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey SuperJew -- I'm going to start making some templates for some of the women's PFA awards... similar to Template:PFA_Men's_Footballer_of_the_Year. Can you tell me what the significance is of the use of green and white on this one instead of the yellow and blue like Template:2011–12 A-League PFA Team of the Season? What colors would you suggest using for PFA Women's Footballer of the Year? Thanks much. Hmlarson (talk) 00:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hmlarson: First of all, keep being awesome!

Regarding the colours, I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps the green and white is due to the PFA's logo being green and white? The yellow and blue I think is a default colour for awards templates on Wikipedia. Cheers, --SuperJew (talk) 08:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edits.

Commercial names are not the names of stadiums and as such should not be used. You are commercialising something which should not be. Commercial names can change but the official name almost never changes. The only reason the media call them by those names is because they have to. Where the media is not bound by those rules they don't ever use commercial names. Wikipedia is a place for factual information not commercialisation. Also the pages which are linked to use their official names so should this article. Wikipedia is meant to have a formal tone therefore should use official terminology. I think I rest my case. Life200BC (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Life200BC: Wikipedia is based of verifiable reliable sources and doesn't practice original research. Since the media, on which our articles are based use the commercial names, those are the names we should use too. --SuperJew (talk) 13:48, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The names are verifiable in official government documents which I think are more reliable than media reports. We should use the official names of stadiums not commercial ones to be accurate. Life200BC (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

But A) we rarely use them as sources B) the average user who reads the articles knows the stadiums by their commercial names as that is what is used by fans, clubs, and media. Therefore it is confusing to the reader to use official names. --SuperJew (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

There are conflicting arguments here about WP:PROMO and WP:COMMONNAME; I think this issue has been discussed more than once at the WikiProject Football Talk Page, perhaps not in very recent times. I suggest you research what came out of those discussions and the consensus reached. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Found it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Consensus It says to use the unsponsored names. Please reinstate my edits now thank you. Life200BC (talk) 06:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Consensus is referring to articles on stadiums (and even they mention the commercial names in them), while this case is articles on a league/season, in which the stadiums are not the main focus. COMMONNAME is much more important in this case so that the average reader knows what it is about. --SuperJew (talk) 09:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

and COMMONNAME refers to article titles mate. Which was decided to not use commercial names therefore neither should articles. Even if COMMONNAME didn't refer to titles people know what all of these stadiums real names are whether the commercial media says so or not. A similar amount know each name and per PROMO we shouldn't advertise even more the reason not use sponsored name instead of their official names. Life200BC (talk) 10:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Why are you saying people know what all the stadiums commercial names are? That's just not true. --SuperJew (talk) 14:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Just my two cents: I think we should be using the stadium's common name in that specific season. What I mean is that, if a stadium was commonly known as "Whatever Arena" in 2019/20, which is its commercial name, then we should put that. If, instead, it's "regular non-commercial" name was more common, we would use that name. We should evaluate on a case-by-case situation. A.C. Monza's stadium, Stadio Brianteo, has changed its commercial name to U-Power Stadium. However, Stadio Brianteo remains the more common name for 2020/21. In other cases, it may be that the commercial name is common. This whole thing doesn't impact the article's actual name though; we are talking about how (and if) we should pipe the name. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree but that's to much efforts and any data collected would be anecdotal and couldn't be used per wikipedia's policy of own research. The simplest solution would be to use the official tittle per PROMO as they is no definitive Common Name, Also if we did Common name Should QSAC be ANZ Stadium, mavel stadium be etihad stadium as that's what people know them as. The official name doesn't change and is more accurate.

We were doing as Nehme1499's suggestion before Life200BC changed the stable version. --SuperJew (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

No you weren't you, were doing what you think people call them. Wikipedia isn't a place for anecdotal data. Where I live nobody who is not a child calls Lang Park, Suncorp Stadium, Likewise nobody calls it marvel stadium they call it docklands stadium. You weren't doing as their suggestion as that isn't possible as their is no definitive Common Name. As I said before the simpliest way, given their is no definitive way to determine the Common Names is to use the official name per WP:PROMO. Life200BC (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Well because you say that's what people do, it must be true. --SuperJew (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

That's not what I was saying, I was simply pointing out what you think the Common name isn't nessecarily true and just because you say that's what people do, it must be true. You were the one if was doing that. I was simply pointing out the your data was anecdotal and everyone's experiences vary. Given there is no decisive source with the common name the official name should be used per WP:PROMO. Life200BC (talk) 21:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Lol I wasn't saying that at all. I said we should base our names per the sources we use as that's what people read and how they know the stadiums as. --SuperJew (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I think this discussion should be moved to WT:FOOTY. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this discussion should be move to WT:FOOTY This discussion is over, there will never be any consensus as each source says it's own thing. Commercial media users sponsored names government ones use official names which should would we use? I would say official as Commercial media would have ulterior (financial motivation) motives for doing so. Also per PROMO. And per the previous discussion about sponsored names. If you can't understand these arguments, this discusion will get no where. Life200BC (talk).

Given the lack of a response, I will take it as I'm correct and will reinstate my edits unless you provide a valid argument in the next 24 hours. Life200BC (talk) 06:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

• If you reply to me, you are wrong and I am right.
• If you do not reply to me, you are wrong and I am right.
• We should not discuss this at WT:FOOTY, because you are wrong and I am right.
• Fascinating logic! Matilda Maniac (talk) 06:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Wow Life200BC, quite agressive talk there. You are aware that people have life besides Wikipedia, yes? And you have no place putting deadlines on anything. I will take this to WT:FOOTY to get more input and consensus. --SuperJew (talk) 06:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I placed a message on your wikipedia page, you removed the message after it so you were clearly on wiki and you chose not to respond, it was a simply conclusion as lots of people don't respond if they realise they are wrong,not that you are wrong or anything. Life200BC (talk) 08:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Nope, deleting a simple procedural message is a quick thing which I can do while in a lesson or anything else. Answering properly the issue as above is more complex and I would want to give it more of my attention. --SuperJew (talk) 08:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Reverted edit on "Template:Collingwood Football Club current squad"

Hi there,

I saw that you reverted my edit (moving Jack Madgen to the senior list) due to not posting a source. I was using this article on the AFL website, which appears to confirm list positions for next year.

Also, Madgen has now had three seasons as a rookie which means he must either be upgraded or delisted IIRC. Geelcat (talk) 11:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@Geelcat: Thank you! --SuperJew (talk) 12:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Goal assigned to wrong player

Hello SuperJew. In the women's football match Belgium-Switserland last night, Belgium's third goal was "officially" credited to Tessa Wullaert, as you can see here on Uefa's website: https://www.uefa.com/womenseuro/match/2027361--belgium-vs-switzerland/. However, I watched the game and it is clear the keeper deflected the ball into her own goal, as you can see here: https://www.hln.be/voetbal/sterke-red-flames-plaatsen-zich-voor-ek-2022-na-knalprestatie-tegen-zwitserland~af663907/ (scroll down to the 3-0 video after the Dutch text)
Do you know if there a policy WP or WikiProject Women's football follows in cases like this? If not, what is your advice? Regards, Dutchy45 (talk) 11:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: We attribute based on the sources, so we would go by the official credit as per UEFA's website (with sourced of course :) ). I would monitor it though, as sometimes these reports can be updated if they decided it is an own goal. --SuperJew (talk) 11:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

your contribution to my sandbox

Hello again. I note and thank you for your help on the list I (/we :) ) am (/are) compiling. However I also noted that you changed the sorting of names that have tussenvoegsels (prepositions) i.e. Desiree van Lunteren is sorted now by "van" and not "Lunteren" anymore. This is wrong. In the Netherlands we sort by the capitalized part of the last name as you can see here at 2.4 Regards. BTW, in Belgium it's different again. So if you ever do something with Belgian names, keep that in mind. In short: It's a mess. :) --Dutchy45 (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: My pleasure helping out (anything to procrastinate from studying, right? :) )

Thanks for the information! This is quite a game changer for me and will require changes to a lot of pages :) So follow-up question: Let's take Edwin van der Sar as an example. If we have just the family names, like in templates (such as Template:Netherlands squad UEFA Euro 2008), do I display the family name as Van der Sar or as Sar? And in the list do I add the "van der" to the given name (i.e. sorting {{sortname|Edwin van der|Sar}})?

Thanks again :D --SuperJew (talk) 05:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Van der Sar is the family name and it is correct in the template. And when using only last names to identify somebody the (first) preposition is capitalized. So, there's nothing wrong with that particular template. I've already fixed it in the list so you can see there how that's done. (there might be other ways I don't know about) Regards, Dutchy45 (talk) 06:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dutchy45:Thanks! I'll go around fixing relevant squads pages later (if you want to start there's a few I created on my userpage). BTW: Please notice that the symbol * (or any other symbol you want to use) should be used as well as colour to indicate players still available, according to WP:ACCESS. --SuperJew (talk) 06:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Vivianne Miedema

On 5 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vivianne Miedema, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Arsenal footballer Vivianne Miedema (pictured) is the all-time leading scorer in the FA Women's Super League and has scored more goals at the international level than any other Dutch player? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vivianne Miedema. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Vivianne Miedema), and it may be added to the statistics page if it received over 400 views per hour. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Renaming categories

If an article has been at its location for a whole, and you want to move the category to match it, you can simply use WP:CFDS. Much quicker and easier than a full CFD discussion! GiantSnowman 21:30, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Thank you! :) I have actually used that previously and was wondering now why it's taking so long hehe :) --SuperJew (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia turns 20 – Australia and New Zealand Celebrate

As a fellow editor of Australian articles on Wikipedia through The 5000 Challenge, I wanted to let you know that there will be an Australia/New Zealand Online Community Celebration of Wikipedia's 20th Birthday on Friday 15 January 2021 from 7.00–8.30pm AEDT (6.30pm SA, 6pm QLD, 5.30pm NT, 4pm WA). If interested, please register to receive the link.--Oronsay (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

2022 A-League season

According to a couple of sources, the next A-League season will take place entirely in 2022. "It’s expected the following season will be entirely played in the 2022 calendar year"[7] "The following season is likely to be played in the 2022 calendar year, fitting neatly with the World Cup in Qatar, which is slated to begin in November"[8] BLAIXX 23:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Blaixx: "expected", "likely" - these are rumours of what might happen. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL we only update what is confirmed to happen. Once can confirmed we can change it (with proper sourcing of course). --SuperJew (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Either way we're making a guess as to when the next season will start but sure, I'll leave it as is until there's rock solid confirmation. BLAIXX 22:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Blaixx: Some pages have that parameter empty until confirmation, and that is probably the way it should be. --SuperJew (talk) 23:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Montreal Impact revert

Hi SuperJew, I saw that you reverted my edit on List of Major League Soccer hat-tricks due to the double re-direct. The reason I did that is because I'm going to eventually move Montreal Impact to a disambiguation page because both iterations of the club are fairly notable, although the most recent one (now known as CF Montreal) is still primaryname for now due to recentism. I went through the list and about 35% of the links to the Montreal Impact page went to the wrong ones, so I just redirected them all. Since it will eventually become a disambiguation page, I'm just doing the re-directs in advance. I narrowed it from ~1000 (of which probably 400 went to the wrong team) to about 20 left RedPatchBoy (talk) 18:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@RedPatchBoy: Ah okay. Why not just redirect it straight to Club de Foot Montréal then? --SuperJew (talk) 18:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

A large portion of the articles needed to be redirected to Montreal Impact (1992–2011), so I found it simpler to just paste that and then delete the date and write MLS, since I was doing both at once. I just found it quicker that way, than to keep switching back and forth. RedPatchBoy (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay cool :) --SuperJew (talk) 18:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Jasmine Courtenay

There are refs to improve to meet WP:GNG if you have the time. Hmlarson (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Haha not really. I have exams every Monday and Thursday until the end of February. Working a little on improving Nikita Parris and Sam Kerr when I have breathers but (trying to) not do much on Wiki. --SuperJew (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Amy Knights for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Knights until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Please refer to the existing discussion on the BLP noticeboard

It is perfectly reasonable to use the terms of what they are regarding racism. There is a link to the appropriate style to do so here

Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Eddie_McGuire --210.1.220.106 (talk) 08:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)