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Dunoon

THere's a bit of an edit war at Dunoon (see revision history), if you're willing to take a look. 3RR is long out of the window. I see from Scope creep's history that you've had to wield your sword before now. I don't know enough about politics to weigh in. - Seasider53 (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further inspection, one of the parties has been banned for sockpuppetry. - Seasider53 (talk) 09:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seasider53, yep, looks like that's all wrapped up now. Girth Summit (blether) 10:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Adam Badlwin

Ok, maybe I to stupid to understand Wikipedia, but how is reading with your own eyes, not a reliable source? He retweeted it, that's a fact, that can't be denied. And just because maybe no one else might be aware enough to write it down at that time (until he deleted the tweet, which, again is still viewable via the web archive), it can't be added to the article - even though it shows that he did more then just some interviews? That's... wow. --Modgamers (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Modgamers, no one is saying that you are stupid. However, it's a primary source, which you are interpreting and describing. We don't do that, especially not on BLPs. Best Girth Summit (blether) 19:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, I have to wait a month or so, until my Bachelor Thesis will be released, where it is mentioned? Ufff... --Modgamers (talk) 19:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Modgamers, erm, no. A bachelor thesis would not be a great source. A PhD thesis, perhaps, depending on who the supervisor is. Girth Summit (blether) 20:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unresolved issues at ANI

Hi. Please see this thread at ANI that you have been involved in. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:45, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lugnuts, hi. Real life is manic at the moment, hardly have time to check in. Hoping to have time to look at this properly over the weekend. Girth Summit (blether) 21:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lugnuts I've had a look and made a proposal. Don't have time just now for an in-depth dig through the recent article creations, but there's enough already in that thread to give me grave concerns. Best Girth Summit (blether) 18:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Girth. Thank you for taking time out from real life and wording the proposal. Enjoy the weekend. Thanks again. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy first day of summer, Girth Summit!! Interstellarity (talk) 14:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interstellarity, shiny! Girth Summit (blether) 16:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Counter-Vandalism Unit

Good evening Girth Summit. I'm Ken. I've been a Wikipedian for the past eight and a half months. I would like to be graduated from Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. Will you take me as your student? Waiting for your response. Best wishes. Ken Tony Shall we discuss? 16:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ​Ken, thanks for expressing an interest. I'm afraid that I'm in the final term of the school year, writing reports on children's progress and preparing for next year, and I have a limited amount of on-wiki time at the moment, so I'm not taking on new students as of right now. I'd suggest that you take a look at the CVUA page and see whether there is anyone else who might be accepting students at the moment. Girth Summit (blether) 18:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I want to know what jurisdiction allows you to be around children. EEng 23:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
EEng, since Gove, they'll take anyone they can get. Girth Summit (blether) 23:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem Girth Summit. I can understand. Thank you for replying. Ken Tony Shall we discuss? 18:40, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks!

Yes, I'd love whatever help you can give me! Every time I turn around I discover something I don't know. I just a few weeks ago had Seraphimblade walking me through closing an AE. :D I closed that ANI and thought...huh. I'm sure I have to notify the editor in question...is there a template? Is there a log? —valereee (talk) 20:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Valereee - yeah, I stayed away from AE enforcement for a long time because I was afraid of screwing up! El C walked me through it in the end. So, I think we've got a bit of a headache here - maybe Drmies can suggest a workaround? The first step to applying discretionary sanctions is checking that the user has been notified of them - my understanding is that the only acceptable form of notification is one of those passive-aggressive green templates being placed on their talk within the last six months (or an indication from them that they are aware, usually accompanied by a request not to template them). Normally, once you've checked that, you log your action at Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log (go to the contents, click on Biographies of Living Persons, and make a note saying what you've done), but I don't think that will fly in this case. Without community consensus to TBan, I'm not sure this is valid. Maybe the good doctor will have an idea... Girth Summit (blether) 21:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Damn. I was afraid of this. Our instructions feel so opaque to me. They're both ridiculously detailed and not complete. —valereee (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, yeah - I know that feeling. I'm sure it's recoverable - even if the TBan has to be lifted as out-of-process, any further problematic editing would be an obvious justification for a straight-up block, and admins are allowed to require that a TBan be accepted as an unblock condition, so... Girth Summit (blether) 21:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I need a flowchart for this. —valereee (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, you know, that's not a bad idea. I found the flowchart at NPP invaluable when I was first doing NPP, and still refer back to it occasionally. Back in the day (before I retrained as a teacher, and long before I started editing here), I used to make flowcharts professionally for processing geophysical data with different software packages. Maybe it's time to dust off the old skills... Girth Summit (blether) 22:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would find it incredibly helpful! I love flowcharts. —valereee (talk) 22:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, I might do that over the summer. I used to use Microsoft Visio, which (according to our article on it) is still a thing, but I'm not sure how easy it will be to get access to it - I doubt my current employer (a primary school!) has a subscription. Maybe there is some freeware that does something similar - I'll put it on my mental 'to do' list. If nothing else, the process of making it will improve my understanding of the process: as I have found time and again in teaching, getting Ahab to explain to Beatrice how something works will find and fill the holes in Ahab's understanding :) Girth Summit (blether) 22:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The amount of stuff various WP projects will get you access to is sometimes surprising...I wonder who would know whether WP can give you access to Microsoft Visio? —valereee (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, very possibly - maybe we have institutional access! I'd been thinking though that my partner might have it - she's an academic, so if the University of York has a license, I can probably do it on her laptop. Failing that, I'll mooch around the library and helpdesk until someone offers a suggestion. Girth Summit (blether) 22:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Q: Did the user support your RFA? If YES: warn. If NO: block. Levivich 23:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Levivich, Simples! Girth Summit (blether) 23:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, so in the US, car insurance is sold by a gecko, but in the UK, it's a meerkat? Levivich 00:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Levivich, yep: for some reason, it's a meerkat who is also a Russian oligarch. It's one of a very few advertising campaigns I have genuine affection for. I mean, it's been running since I was in my twenties; they send you cute cuddly toys (handy gifts for random nephews) when you buy insurance; they even went to the trouble of setting up a parallel website where you really could compare meerkats. I struggle to explain why it's funny to someone who doesn't know it - but it is. The advertising folk in that meeting earned their crust. Girth Summit (blether) 00:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So in the meantime, should I unclose and request further input to develop consensus for a community action? —valereee (talk) 12:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, it seems to me that you've got a couple of options. You could undo the close, and put it to the community for endorsement; alternatively, you could tell them that the TBan isn't official, formally notify them of BLP DS, and warn them that any further problematic editing in that area will be met with a TBan without further warning. Girth Summit (blether) 12:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'll just unclose. Thanks! —valereee (talk) 13:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A query

Hello, sorry to bother you. Yesterday I blocked 139.0.206.214 for evading previous blocks and for creating disruption on the talk pages of blocked socks. But then they began making absurd unblock requests, almost threatening to accept those. Although they were using their user talk page to appeal their block(s), I felt that they were abusing it by making such requests, and hence disabled their talk page access. I would like ask you if it was right for me to revoke TPA because I actually don't want to disallow them from discussing their block. --Ashleyyoursmile! 05:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ashleyyoursmile, I see they threatened to call the police if they aren't unblocked - that's a pretty obvious abuse, you were right to revoke access. It's a very short block, they'll probably be back soon - if this has been going on for a while, I'd consider extending the block. Girth Summit (blether) 05:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Girth Summit, thank you very much for the advice. Hope you have a great day. Ashleyyoursmile! 05:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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hypothetically

So, say I've been t-banned from apples due to my tendency to lose neutrality when discussing them. I'm interested in proving that I can indeed learn to be neutral around them, so my work at Simple and Commons focuses heavily on apples. I do good work in both places, and am not disruptive, even around apples, though I do still tend to want to polish them up a bit. They're so pretty when they're polished. Do I need to check that any files I work on at Commons are not currently being used in my topic ban area on enwiki? And if a file includes apples in any way, does that mean no matter where the file is used on enwiki, I'm in violation? —valereee (talk) 12:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, sheesh. I'd need to read around policy pages to find out whether there's any guidance on this. Can you hypothetically outline how your edits on apples on commons are coming through on enwiki - is someone proxying for you, adding your newly uploaded apple-themed images to articles or something? Girth Summit (blether) 15:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Or, to put that another way, if you're working on a file which is prominently used in our enwiki article on apples, and the only other wikis it's used at are ones you haven't edited, it might look like an attempt to game the system. Girth Summit (blether) 16:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know, right? It could end up with someone thinking I'm gaming the system, even if I really am just trying to show I can edit around apples neutrally. Right, it definitely wouldn't look good if I were only or even primarily working on apple files that were used on enwiki articles that fell under the t-ban. But for instance, the image above is used at Peter Paul Rubens, at Adam and Eve, at The Fall of Man (Rubens), and at Heterosexuality. Not at any articles about apples. But clearly there are multiple apples in that image, and they're important to that image. Can I just pause here for a moment of appreciation for my choice of apples in this hypothetical?
Re: proxying or gaming. As far as I can tell, I'm just working on apples files, plus many other unrelated files. Adding categories, checking captions for accuracy, tracking down and adding missing information, maybe nominating for deletion when it looks like it's dubious as own-work. I make my fixes and move on. Some of the apples files are currently used in articles covered by my t-ban. Some might later be added by someone else to an article covered by my t-ban, but I certainly hope not because I would ever ask someone to do that. :D —valereee (talk) 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, well, on the face of it, I don't think that would be covered by the ban, and if there isn't a problem with what you're doing then there isn't a problem: TBans are meant to stop disruption, they're not intended to be a means by which to stop someone doing what they like doing on another project. If there were problems with what you were doing however, and if someone took issue with it and approached you about it, since I know that you are a good faith editor, I know that you would discuss it with them, take the concerns on board, and maybe think about changing what you are doing if it is causing problems here. So yeah - if there's a problem, I'd probably go down the discussion route first before considering any adminnery. Girth Summit (blether) 18:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much, GS. I appreciate your always-thoughtful thoughts, and your time. :) —valereee (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, you're always welcome - I similarly appreciate your approach. I'm kind of intrigued about what started this line of enquiry, but I'm happy to remain in the dark if I'm not needed. I do like a nice shiny apply though! As an aside: do you use WP:reply-link? The buttons seem to have changed colour, I seem to be seeing the French flag every time I try to reply to someone! Girth Summit (blether) 19:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do use reply-link. Or at least...I use whichever one is actually in the gadgets (or wherever) section of preferences now rather than the contraband version Levivich had me using for a few thrill-filled weeks. —valereee (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

reply-link

No, don't use it. I've seen it in edit summaries but never clicked on the link until just now. But I don't think I need new functions, not now anyway. I have mass rollback and use it, and I think that AfD closer is pretty good. Did you know I used to revert without rollback, and place all the vandal warnings manually? Drmies (talk) 19:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, I think when I started out recent changes patrolling, I actually cooy/pasted the text of a warning template that I'd seen someone else put on someone's talk. I say copy/pasted: there's every chance I actually typed it out. We live and learn.
I recommend reply link - it's really handy, especially in long threads. It's just unusually French after its last update. Girth Summit (blether) 21:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

McKean

Wondering if you have any input on whether Charles McKean would have travelled the country himself when compiling a works such as Banff and Buchan? I'm not seeing an explanation of its compilation in its pages. I was going to work on his article to fill in some gaps, and if I can attribute large gaps in his life to this kind of study, it would be beneficial. - Seasider53 (talk) 20:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seasider53, I've seen this, and will give informed(ish) opinion tomorrow. Girth Summit (blether) 21:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seasider53, OK, I've got a but of time to address this properly. My partner is an academic historian, and she knew McKean slightly before he died, so what I'm going to say is what I'd describe as an informed guess. McKean travelled the country a lot, looking at buildings, taking photographs (lots of the photographs in those books are his own work), and spending time in local and national archives researching this history of the buildings he wrote about. It wouldn't have been possible for him to produce those books without travelling to the places in question, and my guess would be that he would have travelled to Banff and Buchan while writing the guidebook to the region; however, he would probably also have referred to existing notes he'd already made about the region on previous trips - I don't imagine that his first visit to Banff and Buchan was when he started writing that guidebook. I'm afraid that I don't know enough about his career to say how long those trips were, or whether they could account for any gaps in our article about him - we can't assume anything about that, we'd need a reliable source to spell it out for us. Does that make sense? Girth Summit (blether) 07:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Roger that. The key would be to know when he took the photos in the book, but I don't see much of a timeline happening in his article. - Seasider53 (talk)

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Potential unblocking of A.A Prinon

Hello there, we seemed to have made some progress with user A.A Prinon on his talk page. The user he was harassing is showing some forgiveness and I think there is some genuine understanding of what he did wrong. Just wanted to check in to make sure there were not any other concerns from your end before I implemented a topic ban and unblocked. I agree there are some maturity issues but it appears they have made some positive contributions in past. Sasquatch t|c 17:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sasquatch, no concerns, I'm quite happy for you to unblock, especially since Lugnuts is happy for this course of action (given that he was the one the user was trying to annoy). Hopefully that'll be an end to that type of behaviour, and they will see that it only leads one way. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 17:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Sasquatch t|c 18:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dunbar (1650)

... has been nominated at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild, yay! :) Girth Summit (blether) 21:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Vote early, vote often! Gog the Mild (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Question on reverts

Hello. Apologies in advance for this random message. I have a quick question that I thought would be best handled by an administrator. An IP address has been making edits to the article on The Random Years, and has been adding information that is not cited by sources (and information that I frankly believe is not true at least from my own research).

I reverted their first edit and left an edit summary, and then I reverted their second edit and left a message on their talk page about it. They have done the same edit a third time. I know that I should not revert them a third time per WP:3RR, but I am not entirely sure what to proceed from here. What do you think should be done?

Again, sorry for the message. I was not entirely sure who to reach out to about this as I generally do not encounter this kind of situation. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I hope you have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 05:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47, they're doing the same thing at multiple pages, and have never cited a ref or used a talk page, so I've blocked them temporarily. American TV shows are a very long way from my area of expertise, but if you have checked relevant sources and are confident that the changes they were making are wrong, this may be a form of subtle vandalism. Make another revert, referencing the talk page in the edit summary, then post on the article talk page, pointing to the source that supports the original content, and inviting people to point to a source which might contradict it, Girth Summit (blether) 07:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Hi Girth - hope you are well. Thanks for your previous help here. This issue doesn't seem to be going away, and I'd appreciate if you could take a look at this. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are now giving false accusations on me. I am now never stalking their edits. And the diffs I provided on Sasquatch talk page indicates that they are stalking my ones. All the overlaps of me with Lugnuts are one day gap, so how can they be hounding. I am not causing them annoy, nor making any personal attacks. Thanks. — A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actuaaly, I first wanted help from you since Sasquatch isn't replying. But after going to your tall page, seeing that Lugnuts himself is seeking help. I haven't harassed them this time, so its not an actionable report. But they called me an idiot on their talk page (see revision history), which is a personal attack. I politely tried to solve dispute, but they are fighting with me. — A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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