User talk:Femto

Note: By default, I will answer on the same page where a discussion is started. If you find it more convenient to be notified of new messages on your own talk page, just mention it. Femto

RFA

I have nominated you to be an administrator. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Femto 2. Since you've been through this before, I'm sure you know what to do. But if you have any questions or comments for me anyway, please just let me know. --Ed (Edgar181) 14:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination is accepted and opened. Femto 19:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to my supporting, I think I ought to ask the most obvious question raised by your RfA: can you assure the community that, qua admin, you will not discriminate against those who eat manatee steaks? Joe 05:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I solemnly swear I won't discriminate against manateesteakophagism as an admin any more than I do as a plain user. Femto 12:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, luckily the manitee/is quite devoid of vanity (as Nash says). Congrats on the mop. You have now been cleared to work harder, for free, at a more responsible level. Wow, promoted to Sergeant Volunteer. S B H arris 22:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drinking games

Femto, thanks for your support of my admittedly drastic edit. I'm normally not a proponent of scorched-earth editing, but that list was just ridiculous. OscarTheCat3 20:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Element2

I've finished writing the code for the element infobox. It elements fields such as "color1" and "color2" and it eliminates the need for about 60+ elmentbox templates. It still hasn't been completely tested, but it seems to be working well. The next steps I propose are moving it from Template:Element2 → Template:Element, and then ensuring it works correctly. Any suggestions for improvement would be greatly appreciated. The usage is on the talk page. Thanks. --MZMcBride 21:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously I'm quite busy at the moment, I'll look into it during the next few days. Some unresolved special cases remain, like the two vapor pressure tables or the three densities for the allotropes at phosphorus, or the covalent radius comment at fluorine for example. Femto 12:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback at Template talk:Element2. Femto 21:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Split-flap display

Hi Femto. I have a feeling that I agree in principle with removing the vendor links in this article. I am curious, however, as to why you removed them from that particular article. For example, in Nixie tube there are links to sites whose primary interest is selling kits ("vendors") – by the same token, should they not also be removed? Tyler Mitchell 00:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I came to the article to remove a spam link, and had time to clean it up while I'm at it, no specific reason in particular. Yes, there were many encyclopedically irrelevant links at nixie tube too; hobby projects not directly related to the topic, foreign language sites, and especially the purely commercial sites. Femto 12:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification, and the edit! Tyler Mitchell 06:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Adminship

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Congratulations! I'm glad that it went without a problem. --Ed (Edgar181) 23:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

supports. Must mean something. :) Femto 12:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Linkspam

Hi. I noticed you just deleted some "linkspam" on the Parenting page. I wonder what you think of the links listed as "Sources" on the Domestic discipline page. I have some comments on its talk page. Please use my talk page if you want to reply to this message. -- thanks. --Coppertwig 19:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. That's fine; however, I made a mistake: I actually meant the page Domestic discipline (lifestyle), which is even more so. I have comments on its talk page suggesting that the entire page be deleted. --Coppertwig 20:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The coveted Spamstar of Glory

		The Spamstar of Glory
		Presented to Femto for relentless diligence in fighting spam on Wikipedia

--A. B. 22:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

half life units?

Hi,

Don't really know where to ask this... are the units called "a" in the isotope tables for attoseconds, or angstroms at the speed of light? These units differ by less than an order of magnitude... attoseconds seem more logical but the other seconds-derived units all include the "s" raising the question of why this is different.

- thx, Potatoswatter 00:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From Latin annum, year. It's a concession to the fact that scales like minutes (min), hours (h), days (d), and years (a) are more human-accessible than technically correct kiloseconds or gigaseconds. There is no universally accepted symbol for the year in the International System of Units. The ISO31 standard suggests "a" which is language-independent and thus gets widely used in international scientific publications. Femto 11:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aha. Now I know… perhaps the tables could link to some explanation? (Assuming they're generated from some script.) Time doesn't mention the word annum, and year only links to annum under see also. But on that page annum is clearly regarded as a base unit. Units of time shouldn't really redirect… hmm. Talk:annum reflects the general confusion of non-scientists about this abbreviation. Sounds like a little project. Potatoswatter 03:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suite101.com

Great response to the CEO of Suite101.com regarding his company's spam. You were so much more succinct and pithy than the rest of us. --A. B. 15:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. You like my writing? Maybe I should apply. Femto 16:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up in Cyrillic alphabet external links

Can you give some indication of what needs to be cleaned up here? —Michael Z. 2006-11-26 18:34 Z

Avoid collecting links to translation services, browser extensions, file downloads, sites that require plugins (Flash) to display, personal sites of people that are not experts or authorities and/or commercial sites that contain not much more than what can be integrated, or what already is, in the article (whew). All this is not essential to supplementing the encyclopedic content and should be avoided per WP:EL. Femto 19:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. I went and cleaned that section up. —Michael Z. 2006-11-27 01:49 Z

School IP

Re this diff ([1]). Weren't the 3 warnings generated just yesterday, including yet another test4 sufficient? What would be the point in me issuing another test4 one day later? And if you took that opinion, why did you opt not to warn them yourself? --Dweller 18:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS On reflection, this could be read harsher than intended. These are genuine questions - I'm still trying to get my head round how Admins deal with this stuff. --Dweller 18:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the header of WP:AIV, here applies item 4 of "Do not list here if": "The recent vandalism from an IP began hours (or days) after the last warning — it could be a different person."

Instead of writing a detailed response, allow me to 'recycle' some explanations I gave to another user. See my post at the bottom of User talk:A. B.#195.194.74.26, this may answer most of your questions. As to why I didn't add another warning, I could've and probably should've, but hoped someone else would do it, and working off the AIV list was more important at that time. Femto 20:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elementbox proposal

When editing an element page, you're greeted with a lot of code that's unpleasant to look at and undoubtedly confusing to newcomers. I'm proposing that the element infobox be changed to something similar to what is currently used by planets. It would drastically reduce the amount of code and make the page much more user friendly. Each element would have something similar to {{Elementbox/1}} at the top of the page. On the actual infobox, there would be a box at the bottom that would say "Edit this template," most likely below the references section. The information provided in the infobox doesn't regularly change, so accessibility isn't a real issue. Also, the individual subpages of Template:Elementbox would still refer to Template:Elementbox, allowing the elimination of the innumerable templates currently in use, and also shortening the list of templates used on a particular element page. I'm strongly, strongly in favor of this proposal. I'd greatly appreciate any feedback you have on it. Thanks. --MZMcBride 22:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pushed it up to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements and commented there. Femto 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question on spaming / external links

you removed my links on the weighbridges articel, on the other hand within this article there are these two sentences:

Many commercial companies supply them. One example is Avery Weigh-Tronix weighbridges in the UK. There are even versions that can weigh rail wagons and freight using weight sensors built into the rails.

Another example is the British Manufacturer Griffith Elder Weighbridges. which specialise in portable full size trade approved weighbridges and other digital weighing equipment.

linking to tow of our competitors, i am asking myself where is the difference between these two links and my link i added within the external link section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.249.201.68 (talk • contribs) .

It's simply because I overlooked those inline links. Removed those too. And you, stop adding links to your company. Femto 15:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable deletion of external links

After spending a full day on Wikipedia, looking into a topic that we specialise in and seeing a lack of information. I decided to sit down and spend a day filling in the gaps in Wiki in our niche. Spent a good 3 hours reading up and writing up the compound feed page.

At the end thought could leave a link to our resource as an external link. A industry authoritative site, a free resource, with very minimal advertising - added to act as an additional resource to Wiki readers. As i said the compound_feed page was written by us and our page was supplemental information which was not necessary to add to the page but could provide extra information to the reader.

To then classify this link automatically as link spam is quite offensive and raises definite questions as to whether or not i would like to add information to Wiki.

And yes i had read of the Wiki guidelines to external links, yes i understand that adding links for any other reason than to be a true resource for the reader is not right, and that wikipedia is not to act as a link directory but an informative and current online encyclopedia. If Wikipedia wanted to be so against link spam, i mean why not just ban external links. It would make policing links alot easier and definitely more uniform and fairer. - Harrymarsden 13:22, 03 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So you know you shouldn't add links to your own company, but did anyway. Yes, this automatically classifies it as linkspam. If you tie editing Wikipedia to adding links to your company, I can only say "good bye". I should have removed these links too, but I've even kept those which contain actual information and which aren't commercial directories to dealers or which only promote your main page. Your problem with this is...? Femto 12:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV vandalism

There has been a multi year war over including elements which have not been synthesized, simply because there was a capsize moment when people weren't looking does not mean that policy - namely including notable and encyclopediac content - was not violated. The element numbers in question have references in the peer reviewed literature. I restored them, and will now go back and revert them to the correct status. Stirling Newberry 05:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no content in those articles that can't be included in a central article. Notability or not, we don't need a set of scattered and highly redundant pages. Consider a redirect to island of stability where appropriate. You can add your notable and encyclopedic content about individual elements there, until it grows enough to be split.

"Vandalism, even if voted on, is still vandalism" - That's and interesting view of Wikipedia's consensus process, but it won't get you far. You will not define your own 'correct status'. Nothing has changed since the deletion debate. You will respect it. And you will not accuse other editors (including me [2]) of vandalism for doing so. Hope that's clear. Femto 12:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

…for identifying a link added to Korean romanization as economically motivated, and for informing the spammer in a polite way. I only noticed the conversion's abysmal quality but failed to check the ad links. Wikipeditor 18:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I've noticed these ad IDs only recently myself. Looks like they're going to be useful quite often. Femto 14:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

12.172.68.114

Thanks for blocking them, but you should have followed other admins' examples and made it much longer than three hours. They were coming off a multi-week block already. And today, they were right back at it in the same two articles, although one "final warning" seems to have scared them off.

In that vein, I have emailed the district's tech chief with a detailed account of the specific vandalism yesterday and the IP's history of being blocked here (links included, of course). Hopefully that will lead to disciplinary action (I got that to happen once last spring). Daniel Case 17:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And then it just bounced. I'll have to call. Daniel Case 17:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last block was one and a half months ago. I didn't bother doing deeper checks of the IP's edit history, to tell the truth. Without evidence to the contrary, I'll assume it's different kids sitting at the classroom computer, so I use a default 3 hour school block. I agree it's a lot of vandalism coming from that IP. Since they returned to the same article today, blocked again, one month, anonymous users only. Femto 19:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I spent fifteen minutes on the phone with one of their tech guys explaining this, and he has started an investigation. Daniel Case 20:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very good! It's always better when they try fixing it at their end of the problem. If it's under control we may lift the current block early (though there are also cases where schools determine that all students should log in and request to block their IPs anon-only indefinitely). Just let me or any other admin know. Femto 20:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He said they may want to do that. Have we ever thought of formalizing that as a policy? I should think it would require a formal request from the school board or superintendent. Daniel Case 23:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've relayed this to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#School IP consent blocks. Femto 15:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Markussepp

Hi Femto, thanks for letting me know about this Doppelgänger. I guess his/her username choice is a kind of revenge for me removing this same Kyllini link some weeks ago. Did you check the IP's of the various "users" you mentioned on his/her talk page? Markussep 20:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the IP info for registered accounts is private, only a few officials can check it, in much more serious cases than this one. I've usernameblocked that account, and will have to keep an eye on the others anyway. There's already something about those links at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam, please report them there if you find any new accounts or new links that we didn't catch. Femto 21:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gym Floor Cover

moved to and answered at Talk:Gym floor cover

WP Munich

{{WP Munich Invitation}} Kingjeff 14:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

shrunk the template - Thanks for the invitation! However I have no particular relation to the topic at all, I've just removed some spam links. Femto 15:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the Premier British Wrestling article deleted?

As it says in the title, why was the Premier British Wrestling article deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.66.96.121 (talk • contribs).

You obviously found my name in the deletion log, which states the reason. It also gives a link that explains the WP:PROD process. Femto 12:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for barilla article work

Thanks for doing the shuffling of the Barilla_(plant) article onto the (former) Barilla redirect page.EAS 13:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Over zealous administrator

In your zeal to fight spam you have also deleted a lot of useful links and data. Too bad! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.159.234.174 (talk • contribs).

Reversal in page 'Australia'

you changed back Australia's land mass back to 7,686,850& form 7,617,930 square kilometre. On what basis? Do you think you are helping wikipedia? Check CIA factbook and you will come to know that 7686850 is Total area and not land mass. Ignorance sucks. Dont wield your powers in a senseless way.--202.159.232.38 14:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel no obligation to check an edit that was used to cover up the repeated linkfarm spam coming from your IP range. Femto 14:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, by the way, while I've got your attention. You do know that putting these links on user(talk) pages is futile, as they include an attribute that prevents external links from influencing their search engine ranking, don't you? Femto 14:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As an editor you have every obligation to ensure that correct info reaches wikipedians and other users. In your great zeal to curb spam you are affecting CONTENT. Why should wikipedia display wrong data?

You are oblivious of the positive contributions made and just want to zap every change in an inane way. Misuse of power is what I would call it.Too bad for Wikipedia!--202.159.232.38 15:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad. When a very important article like 'Australia ' has glaring mistakes and an over zealous editor reverts correct changes made, it is time to rethink if such powers should be given to irresponsible and rogue editors like you.--59.144.112.221 06:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, I know by now that 202.159.* and 59.144.* are used by the same spam sockmaster... Femto 10:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

name change for Pmurray_bigpond.com

I attempted to change my username to "Paul Murray" using this template:

{{subst:Renameuser|Pmurray_bigpond.com|Paul Murray|Current name inappropriate as per rules.}} -- ~~~~

But the template came up looking like this:

Pmurray_bigpond.com → Paul Murray

* Current name: Pmurray_bigpond.com (talk • contribs)

* Requested name: Murray Paul Murray (Murray change username)

* Reason: Current name inappropriate as per rules. -- Pmurray bigpond.com 01:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

the "requested name" is all screwy - "Murray Paul Murray". What should I put into the template so that my name gets a space in it? Or what else would you recommend? Pmurray bigpond.com 01:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pearl page spammed

Hi Femto, I saw you were also active on the Pearl page and I just noticed it is spammed. Perhaps you could have a look at it, if other admins haven't reversed the spam yet (some name replaced the whole article)

Gem-fanat 22:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Late reply, was right before bedtime, I've reverted it. Apparently just some newbie test, no need for admin intervention. Note that anyone can revert a page to repair the damage. Femto 11:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Latin Username Blocks

There is some dispute as to whether these blocks are supported. There are many active editors who do just fine contributing with non-latin names. Per the discussion here, there seems be support for reccomending for to people creating a username at en.WP to not use non-latin characters. But does not appear to be consensus for blocking people on sight who already have a non-latin account at another Wikimedia wiki. Will you please start taking these non-latin username through Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names in order to better gather opions on the mattter? Thank you for your atttention to this matter.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Water fuel cell

Thanks for your tireless efforts watching and reverting the crackpots! --Pjacobi 13:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and more of the same to you! And to everybody else watching the page, for that matter. Oh, I think I do tire rather easily with this stuff. It just looks as if none of us would ever tire because we take turns defending the scientific method, while they can only defend their peculiar ideas individually. :) Femto 15:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, hopefully there are more of us, but what we write actually has to make sense :-)

I often wonder whether "Water Fuel Cell" etc (both the technology and the pages) are defended by true believers or just opportunists/trolls. Seeing the debates here, I now see the benefit of debunking such "technology" in reputable publications, even though we may think the ideas are too silly to be given credence by anyone. Abecedare 15:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some sort of poll has been added to Talk:Water_fuel_cell. Is this more nonsense, or should I vote? Man with two legs 10:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flashlight

Can I ask Why did you undoo my links? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.72.22.53 (talk • contribs).

Because I think they're inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Not every article on a product needs links to review sites. Femto 14:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rugbyball

He didn't like my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hemmings Motor News and related Hemmings publications that he put up for AfD, so he's been running around posting copies of my comments and making opposing votes to mine at AfD's I participated in, on top of other nonsensical edits. I reported him to WP:AIV and was told that what he was doing wasn't obvious vandalism (go figure), also to User:Metros232, who had warned him previously. (Note, I also left this message on talk page of User:Resolute, who'd also been asking about Rugbyball's edits) Tubezone 19:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious enough for me. Blocked 24 h. Femto 20:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

jannej

Water Fuel Cell

There is very stupid text in the header by you, please remove them your self! Since water is added and that cantains energy in the form of hydrogen there is energy added SO teher is nothing against the laws of physics! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jannej (talk • contribs).

The hydrogen in water already has given off all its usable energy, that is, it's already burned. To extract hydrogen from water you must add again at least the energy gained from burning it. Meyer's cell claims not to have to do this, and provides no other explanation where the energy would come from, and this is against common physical knowledge. Femto 16:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question about source

This reference classifies Stan Meyer's Water fuel cell as being of the "lowest interest" (on the authors' scale of highest, high, medium, low and lowest). Do you think it will be a useful addition to the article ? You may want to read the paper or at least the abstract, and see the authors' affiliation, before you express your opinion on the publications reliability. Thanks. Abecedare 16:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly I hoped getting to step a little away from the topic. Found the whole text available at http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE21.html for what it's worth. Actually Meyer's cell is one of 11 "Promising Devices of Great Interest" worth of investing more research? But far as I see it's only an open-minded survey that didn't have any more direct sources to work with than what we already have in the article. Femto 20:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the "padrak" article is similarly titled but differs in content from the IEEE conference publication. However the authors do seem to have questionable credibility, so it may be better not to use this as a source. Abecedare 20:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PHPCow

Why other CMS are listed in Content Management System comparison page then? Why are they better? because someone there in your team thinks so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Publishing (talk • contribs).

You are affiliated with the link and also added promotional content earlier. I reverted the link because it was added, that's all. Other links or pages have nothing to do with it. Femto 10:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why all the changes

Why would I sign up for an account, I cant make any changes to article without someone reverting all the changes. You have reverted every change I have made to the article, thank you for simply erasing about two hours of work. You administration is not appreciated, the least you can do is take the changes that I have made that you feel appropriate and re-include them. Simply take the pieces of what I have done, that oyu actually like, and put them back in. Otherwise I have no reason to stay here at wikipedia as every change I make is just erased.24.193.218.207 14:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly I dont understand how to edit a page at Wikipedia. Do all changes have to be approved? Then why are people given access to the edit tab? There should be a preliminary requirement to debate all proposed edits prior to allowing someone to edit a page. It seems that Wikipedia has a flaw in its editing policies, and an update say that all edits must be pre-approved.24.193.218.207 14:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You complained that the content of water fuel cell wasn't reviewed and full of opinions and original research. Then practically overnight you rewrite the article, with some relativizations that look like opinion - and feel attacked when it gets reverted? As the edit page says: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly […] do not submit it." Besides, your work is not lost, the revisions remain in the edit history and the changes may be re-introduced if you can establish consensus to do so. Give other editors at least some chance for feedback on each little change, otherwise there's really no point in feeling attacked when disputed content is reverted to an older version. And technically, I didn't revert you, only the reversion of a reversion (not that I didn't support it).

Intermingled with your edits was the re-introduction of the old rigmarole about voltage breakdown and your citation of unrelated journals. I hoped I gave a clear enough argument on the talk page why the concept of getting energy from water is fundamentally flawed as per the established scientific knowledge. Thus Meyer's ideas cannot be inferred from any source that is consistent with current science, no matter how reliable. So with your treatise why some source (unrelated at that) might be supportive of these theories, you're in violation of Wikipedia's content policies yourself. Femto 20:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dated prod

Ok, thanks. I hadn't had that one watchlisted. >Radiant< 17:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lasagna cell

It's listed at AfD. I really appreciate how you went through discussing this with me first then DRV before unilaterally undeleting. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What should I have discussed? My undeletion is in line with Wikipedia:Undeletion policy and needed no prior review. Your deletion however was clearly based on a wrong assumption that the page is patent nonsense. Femto 18:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What part of For other deletions, the easiest way to request undeletion is to discuss it with the admin who deleted it. If you fail to convince the admin, you can list the page on Deletion Review for further discussion. do you not understand? User:Zoe|(talk) 19:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand all of it, as well as I understand all of "If a page was obviously deleted "out of process" (i.e. not in accordance with the deletion policy), then an admin may choose to undelete it immediately." I restored a page that turned out to should not have been speedyable. Why are you so piqued about it? Femto 20:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WHEEL. And read my User page. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wha? I'm sure not wheel warring, that's not an answer to my question. In fact, there would be "more collegiality and less stress around here" if one accepts that admins may correct each other's simple and obvious mistakes. Femto 21:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I encountered an article which another admin had deleted, and I felt that the deletion wasn't right, the first thing I would do would be to go to that admin's page and discuss it with them. Only if we couldn't resolve the disagreement, would I go to DRV. I would not undelete without discussion at all. To undelete without discussion and then announce a fait accompli is not friendly, and that way leads to wheel warring. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What you would or wouldn't do is your own preference, not mine. I for one feel no exclusive ownership for my administrative actions and would not criticize other admins for correcting an obviously mistaken deletion. I hope we agree that the page is not "so completely and irredeemably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to make any sense of it whatsoever". You can't reasonably claim that I should have assumed there was a disagreement with you to resolve. You deleted a page for which obviously no speedy deletion criterion applied. A page for whose deletion there is no justification under the deletion policy cannot remain deleted. If you feel attacked by this, that's your problem. Alright, next time I won't notify you, if this is the response I get, but it doesn't change deletion policy. Femto 13:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Femto I support your undeletion. I really cannot understand why Zoe is upset, this is not wheel warring or anything close to it. This is an admin correcting another's admin's clear error. Such things quite rightly happen all the time. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Femto, I have a question on this deletion. Because Lasagna cell vanished instantly and generated no Watchlist warnings, I didn't have any links to follow to inspect the deletion. It even vanished from my contributions, so if I hadn't been on the Lasagna Cell talk page at the time, I might never have noticed that the article was gone. Question: are all these side-effects normal for Speedy Delete? If so, then something is very very bad wrong with the SD tool. I see that SD is in constant heavy use. I find it very unsettling that these "warningless instant removals" have been happening for all these years with nobody fixing things. Yet it makes sense: with warnings being suppressed, most people might not notice the deletions, and with all links deleted, it takes ambition to raise a fuss. Maybe if the SD process was changed so it took days or hours instead of being instant, the side effects on we poor users wouldn't be so nasty. --Wjbeaty 21:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion is usually reserved for pages that are pure vandalism, attacks, adverts, patent nonsense etc. — in short, a clear decision (hence 'speedy') on the deletion of things that shouldn't really be missed by anyone. Also for newly created pages which are clearly against the content guidelines and don't belong in an encyclopedia, such as nonnotable bands/people/websites/companies/products. For these cases it should be considered good practice to make sure the creator of a page is aware of the reason for its deletion. In fact WP:CSD#Deletion templates suggests a whole bunch of friendly templates for almost any occasion.

I think an easy first step to make the SD process less biting and to make misjudgements more retraceable would be to promote the use of these deletion notifications. I could also see demand for a bot, like the one for the automatic AfD warning that you got later. People really should put a note on the appropriate user talk page when they tag an article for deletion, though admins can't always check for it. You've seen the sheer volume of page creations and deletions. Quite rightly, in most cases where speedy deletion is appropriate, some 'ambition threshold' is desired!

Users are not left completely clueless in any case: the error message for nonexistent pages refers among other things to the deletion log and to Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? (though it doesn't help much when even the links in the contribution list are gone).

Believe me, you don't want to slow down SD. (with its eternal backlog there it would be quite a feat anyway :) The process itself is not at fault; its inappropriate application is what causes nasty side effects. There already is for example the PROD which gives a five days warning period and time for discussion, but it has much less 'teeth' than SD and thus isn't used as often as would be desirable.

1. Yes, the technical side-effects are normal (though I agree it's a serious flaw of the Wiki software that page deletions don't show up on watchlists and that even contributions which were logged earlier simply disappear). 2. No, what happened with lasagna cell isn't exactly what I would call the normal procedure. Femto 14:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doh, I totally missed the deletion log link on the error page.

"Bot" sounds like the sort of thing I'm thinking about. Just change the software to eliminate a class of common mistakes, but without removing the "teeth." Trying to catch errors after the fact didn't work. I assume that everyone is like me: error prone. Therefore we should expect lots of inappropriate application of SD. I've found that events like Lasagna Cell deletion are common. --Wjbeaty 22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone interested in this issue, I've opened a comment on WP Talk:Speedy deletions Wjbeaty 01:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Speedy cat

Hmmm... I don't know. I put in a user script that allows me to quickly add a CSD tag to other articles. Maybe there's something in the script that causes it. I will look into it. Thanks for the heads-up. ... discospinster _talk 17:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accusing Admin of vandalism

(moved from User_talk:Theresa_knott) to Wjbeaty: The term 'vandalism' has a very specific meaning, please avoid it unless you really, really mean it, even if the deletion may have been "not friendly" (to use Zoe's terminology). Femto 10:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I don't know the proper term. "Admins who accidentally hurt Wikipedia?" But because the removal happened instantly, happened with no Talkpage discussion, and very strangely with no Watchlist warnings, I lost my cool. I couldn't see how it could be accidental that a referenced article could be "disappeared" like this. The article was even gone from My Contributions. This seemed to me like some kind of above-the-law, hidden action. "Extraordiary rendition." Aha! That's why I got mad. I thought that my article had been shipped off to Afghanistan in the dark of night, with all evidence very carefully removed. (grin!) These issues overrode my normally strong AGF. I'm a moderator on flamewar-prone listservers, and this stuff fired off my troll-detector, big time. I'll happily apologize as soon as I'm sure that I was mistaken. --Wjbeaty 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"I lost my cool." You should have recorded it in infrared =). The feeling of 'getting disappeared'. I can relate to that. Femto 14:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to explain things. I have another question if you have the time. I saw a mention of "one admin placing a speedy-delete tag, and a second admin performing the deletion." But that's one of my suggested changes for SD! Yet it's already implemented? I don't understand. Who was the person who placed the SD tag on Lasagna Cell? Who was the second person who performed the deletion? It doesn't appear in [log]. Is there some other page that shows the tag/delete sequence? --Wjbeaty 22:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Continued at Wikipedia talk:Speedy deletions. Femto 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Page

Look in the talk page of periodic table. I created three new section a while ago and waiting for you and other users to type me back. Cosmium 02:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, talk me back about 'adding triple points' section. Cosmium 00:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I already did at Talk:Chemical elements data references Femto 11:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Senseless reversal

You keep reverting any sensible changes made. OTT behaviour. No point in editing when somebody is ready to 'Femto' it. You are killing wikipedia. what a Shame!. if you have senior editors (and I am sure you have) they must watch this. Check that Australia stuff. You reverted back wrong data on Wikipedia. The idea behind wiki is to throw it open to churn out da best. You are gagging the project.--172.189.30.74 15:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, shame on me. This refers to [3], right? A pitiful AOL IP? You're out of proxies? Femto 18:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to the element box

Can you please add triple point, heat of atomization, molar mass, molar volume, and atomic volume to the element box in every element articles to make the element box more advanced and complex. Cosmium 20:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Molar mass is the same as atomic mass. Molar volume is easily derived from atomic mass and density, it was found redundant at Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements. As is atomic volume which is just the reciprocal of that. Please coordinate major additions to the elementbox with Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements. Femto 12:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nixie tube page external link pruning - Why?

I posted the question the discussion page for "Nixie tube" to keep it in context.

Nickds1 06:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removing and Adding to Elementboxes

Why did you reverted back by removing atomic volume, triple point, and heat of atomization as you did in elements lead and mercury. That's your job for you to add atomic volume, triple points, and heat of atomization to every element articles' elementbox if these properties for some elements are known. Cosmium 02:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See above, as well as my edit summaries that I gave. Your mercury triple point pressure is unsourced, and the temperature is either inexact or outdated. Atomic volume is redundant. Heat of atomization can be derived from enthalpy of vaporization, bond energy, and expansion work, and if you're interested in these chemical thermodynamics you're better off working with standard enthalpies of formation for specific substances anyway.

The general opinion at WikiProject Elements was that the elementbox should not be overloaded with data. Feel free to establish consensus at the project talk that this new information is nedeed, and after reliable sources are found for it the infoboxes may be expanded in a coordinated manner. I'll see what I can do about the noble gas triple points. ("My job?" You'll pay me?) Femto 13:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How can I get reliable sources when I add atomic volume, triple points, heat of atomization, electron affinity, and others to elementboxes if known and other such things? Cosmium 22:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This data would be gathered from various textbooks, standard data collections, or original scientific publications. I can't really help with getting access to those. Look at the existing references listed in the elementbox for some examples. I hope it's clear that, before you go changing the infoboxes, you still should establish consensus that your additions are considered necessary. Femto 13:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of external link

I added an external link to Gamebase64 (http://www.gb64.com/) as this is the most comprehensive source of C64 game information on the Internet. Its a free/non-commercial site and it has taken years of hard work to get the database where it is now. I can't think of a reason why it was removed. Is there something wrong with that site? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimbowp (talk • contribs) 09:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

See the external links guidelines. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web directory. Femto 12:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I've checked the guidelines but still see no reason why this external link was removed. Could you please explain which guideline it breaches? Jimbo 13:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Answered at user talk. Femto 14:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing FluTrackers.com

You are removing FluTrackers.com from pages related to Avain Flu.

You are referring to FluTrackers.com as spam and this is entirely incorrect.

FluTrackers.com, Inc is registered non-profit corporation that provides information on pandemic influenza and other infectious diseases.

FluTrackers.com is used daily by people in over 100 countries and has members from the top health institutions in the world. 66.166.91.226 15:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Jeremy[reply]

See your user talk page User talk:66.166.91.226. Femto 16:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FluTrackers.com

Why is is that FluWiki stays and FluTrackers does not?

If you remove FluTrackers you must remove FluWiki.

If I am forced I will go to the Administrators for mediation on this subject. 66.166.91.226 16:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Jeremy[reply]

Then I will have this mediated

If you block me than I will go the administrators and resolve this issue at that level. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JerFT (talk • contribs) 16:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

FluTrackers.com dispute

Femto,

FluTrackers.com is a nonprofit site.

It is used by WHO, CDC, NIH, FAO and many other international organization in the fight against H5N1 pandemic influenza.

It is not selling a product and makes NO money.

I understand that Wiki has a nofollow policy.

It just seems rather odd that you would allow one site for pandemic information and disallow another even though they are both non-profit sites.

Explain to what is wrong with FluTrackers.com.

Thank You. JerFT 16:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Jeremy[reply]

Why don't you have a look at our WP:EL and WP:SPAM guidelines. Thanks! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 16:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FluTrackers.com is a blog with unreliable comments attached to content copied there in violation of copyright laws. Your claims about WHO, CDC etc are unsourced and laughable. WAS 4.250 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing that is laughable is your attitude and comments. Individuals of those organizations are members of FluTrackers. It is a fact, deal with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.166.91.226 (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Isotope tables

Just curious. I've only looked at the tables for tin and lead, but I noticed that the tables do not include decay modes, and for other than meta-states, they do not contain decay energies either. Is there a reason for this ommission, or is it just because nobody has yet been willing to make the effort to add this to all of the element isotope tables? Karl Hahn (T) (C) 18:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Isotopes#Decay modes where my personal excuse had been documented earlier. :) Femto 18:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

zealous edits of "singing bowl"

Hey Femto, Maybe you aren't aware of what has been happening with the entry for "Singing bowl." You attacked me for spamming, but actually I'm just trying to replace a lot of bogus new age nonsense with some actual facts. The real spammer is this insane B9 Hummingbird whatever person from Australia. He continually fills this entry with a lot of new age mumbo jumbo nonsense. Myself and some other noteable experts in the field have been fighting him for months - replacing his ramblings about trance induction with facts that are verifiable. So, Please stop reverting my edits, attacking my edits and telling me I'm spamming. I'm referincing the top experts in the field. Yes - one of the sites I references sells products, but they also happen to provide the best information on the subject anywhere in the world. SO, please get over your zealousness and let us work on this post in the interest of presenting facts instead of conjecture. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.2.168.136 (talk) 02:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If there is an Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute, you can add the appropriate tag instead of revert warring, both of you. Debating the facts is not my problem, you may do that on the talkpage (re "insane": please see Wikipedia:No personal attacks). However I will tell you that you're spamming whenever you continue placing links to your online business in the article. For the second time, your shop is not a reliable source. Femto 11:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. However, it's not a shop, it's a living museum. Click on the link and you'll see it leads to essays and videos about these objects. This is the most reliable, thorough and accurate source of information on the subject in the world. It's not spam.

Vandalism

You sent me a message accusing me of vandalism. Why? What vandalism have I comitted? ---Revolver66 20:00 08/02/07

answered at User talk:88.111.49.188 Femto 21:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't me, i've never even visited the page on rabbits --- Revolver66 20:05 09/02/07

Linkspam

Hi Femto,

I just received your notice of not hyperlinking to external websites to which I'm affiliated (like Matbase). I do agree with you on the point that I should have discussed this with other users / editors. To start a discussion right away, with you, I would like to ask you:

Was I right to publish the links I put on those specific Wikipedia pages? Or, to put it in other words: does the website linked to from Wikipedia provide the users with other unique, useful or well organized information?

When I look at the discussion about Glass for example, I see one user (unknown to me) who asks for Glass Properties. The link I submitted today contains exactly the information he is looking for (Matbase: Environmental, Physical and Mechanical Properties of Glass). True, the data lies two clicks away (follow Type -> Name/Norm) and the page linked to has text from wikipedia. Still, I chose to link there because else I would have to submit four direct links to the data tables and that would be arrogant (my point of view). The unique data promised as noted in the hypertext is there, nothing more, nothing less. What's your point of view on this?

Secondly, if I feel an incredible and irresistable urge to submit an external link to a website to which I'm affiliated, what is the correct procedure in this. So I won't make the same mistake twice :)

Thanks. Bret77

Bret77

1. Wikipedia's articles are not a directory to websites with information related to the topic. The primary goal is to create content, not to link to that of others. External links that are added for the purpose of 'providing information' are only detrimental to this goal. If some information is useful, it should be integrated into the article. Even if you do this, online databases such as yours should not be cited as source, there are more direct references available. Femto 19:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- The links I submitted cannot be integrated in the article due to the type of information or for copyright reasons (see below). For example, on the Wikipedia maps pages I could have listed a thousand external links to maps or I could put 1 link to my site where the information is completely structured. Or do you think a user looking for 'world maps' is misled by my link to (more) world maps (which the entire wikipedia page is about)? So, to me, there's only one discussion left: Does providing this link help Wikipedia become a better Encyclopedia?

Anyways, all this made me clear you are right on starting discussions about this sort of thing :) Bret77

>> Does providing this link help Wikipedia become a better Encyclopedia?

No! These kinds of links degenerate the free encyclopedia into a directory to proprietary information that is restricted by commercial motives, and under exclusive control of small groups that necessarily act out of self-interest.

Why not matweb.com too? Same arguments, the site "provides useful information". By this reasoning, there are thousands of "useful" sites that should be linked in tens of thousands of articles. By the way, external links to maps are already structured through the Map sources page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Likewise, there are hundreds of sites that claim to be specialized directories that make thousands of other links unnecessary. No, an encyclopedia needs to link to none of them. Femto 15:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right Femto. I was just trying to point the users of wikipedia to my evil commercial and 'one of many' websites. You convinced me, to not 'contribute' anymore to wikipedia. Do whatever you like with the links, I don't care anymore.

2. You can suggest your links on the appropriate article talk pages, and let neutral editors decide whether to add them, as per WP:EL. But sorry, I don't see why matbase.com links would be justified anywhere. Femto 19:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- I'm not going to discuss the usefulness of scientific data from Delft University with you right here. I will save that for the discussions when I submit links. Data from this site cannot be published on Wikipedia due to copyright reasons, but the information is there, well structured and free for anyone who wants to know and wants to use it for selecting materials or other engineering purposes. The site is still young and needs more main articles, but the most important part, the scientific data, is all there (example). Again, I will follow your advice on starting discussions. Thank you for your tips. Bret77

You mean 'The site is still young and could need more traffic'. So the elastic modulus of float glass is 50 to 74 gigapascals. It's a simple fact that can't be copyrighted. If this data is copyrighted, you're in violation yourself, as I see no attribution of sources. Unless your site itself claims copyright, in which case it would be rather arrogant coming here to generously offer your links, and Google ads, and upcoming listings of commercial suppliers, but not your data. The usefulness of scientific data is beside the point anyway, either it is relevant to an article and should be integrated, or it is not and collecting lists of further sources is beyond the scope of Wikipedia. Femto 15:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, the site is young and under construction, but the data is already there. That data, that suddenly falls out of the sky, right? Let us worry about our site and you worry about the boundaries of wikipedia. We're all information suppliers, so Google Ads or DONATE buttons, it's just a different business model. Yeah right, more traffic. Across all my sites wikipedia delivers 0.24% - 4.9% of the visitors. The <nofollow> links from wikipedia are like you said: not necessary at all.

You have a strange way of scaring of newcomers at wikipedia by turning their mistakes in unvergiveable Sins and by slapping their faces with regulations. Obviously you know what's better for wikipedia and its users. I need to focus on my sites now, because I'm wasting my energy here. I'm done talking Femto, goodbye, Bret77

You are welcome to stay as an editor, expanding the articles with cites from your original sources, to which you obviously have access. Such contributions are of incomparably higher value than bare links. Alas, yes, properly expanding the articles wastes more energy than placing a link to your business. As soon as a site owner realizes there's no easy deal, there's another theatrical exit. I get used to it. Femto 20:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look in discussion pages

Look in the talk pages: periodic table and chemical element. Cosmium 21:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, talk me back in following discussion pages as above. Cosmium 18:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I already made myself clear on your user talk. Stop your unencyclopedic element naming nonsense. Femto 20:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scutfargus

If you will re-read wikipedia guidelines, this does not automatically make such a link spam. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scutfargus (talk • contribs).

If you just go and include them again, yes it does. Femto 16:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[He] in electron configuration

I'd putted [He] in place of 1s² in electron configuration in list of elements with electron configurations and all element articles from lithium to neon. [He] should be used instead of 1s² just like elements in higher periods or more quantum states. I observed in apsidium.com and some other websites that elements from lithium to neon uses [He] in electron configuration instead of 1s². Using [He] is better to Cosmium than 1s². In the occupying p-orbital, if we using 1s² instead of [He], it would have three orbital configurations in electron configurations, but if we use [He], it will reduce the number of orbital configurations to 2 and include noble gas symbol in bracket. Cosmium 17:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's just because it's getting late in my timezone, but I can't make much sense of what you say. What do p-orbitals have to do with it? [He] is an abbreviation for 1s², same meaning, and the latter is more clear and thus preferable in an encyclopedia. Femto 22:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For the followup to the language link issue - appreciate backup in that stuff - one wonders.... Satu Suro 13:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Femto 14:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mark your opinion

I hav given a request fo adminship.click her to mark your opinion. I think you will help me fighting against spams and vandals —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaseemum (talk • contribs) 12:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

You need to follow the procedure of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, though a nomination would almost certainly fail at this point for lack of experience. Femto 14:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Userwarning headers

Hello. I looked at those pages, but was unable to find what you were referring to. It appears that you had edited them to remove the heading function, so it was a little harder to investigate, but still I didn't see anything not working incorrectly. Also, is this a persistent problem, or a freak occurence? If it is a freak occurence, I wonder what would trigger it? I also might have to ask someone more experienced.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 18:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha now - thanks for the demo. Going to work on it.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 18:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Figured out the error and fixing it in the different templates. Thanks again for the heads up.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 18:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion Pages

I think I know why. I'll try and fix is asap. Mkdw ^talk 12:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flow Battery Page

I added a link to vrbpower.com a manufacturer of these types of batteries on the Flow Battery and the Vanadium Redox Battery pages. It was removed as spam. I disagree with that. This is not exactly a well known topic and a link to one of the few big names in the field would help give some context. Femto seems a little overzealous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.99.63.218 (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]