Talk:Titanic

SS California

It has been proven that the SS California was in no position to render aid to the titanic

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-ship.html

https://woub.org/2020/10/30/mystery-ship-turned-away-from-titanic-in-darkest-hour-secrets-of-the-dead-abandoning-the-titanic-nov-4-at-10-pm/ 50.48.178.66 (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

so ryan is cool and funny 209.175.93.3 (talk) 14:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Even the above encyclopedia article states that it would indeed "RENDER AID". It wouldn't have arrived until after her final plunge, she was in risk of hitting bergs herself and she was much smaller ship. Yet the lifeboats would see help was on the way well before her final plunge and may have been compelled to allow additional passengers to board. In short, her coming to the Titanic's aid could have saved dozens if not hundreds but by no means close to everyone...NotBond007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotBond007 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Launched in 1911?

I think it’s stupid to say The Titanic was launched on 31 May 1911… with no engine and few fittings.

I bet it’s true. (i.e. it’s a valid use of the term).

But I can’t find anything (anywhere) to define what launch means. Wiki has Ceremonial ship launching.

Google has a few; but nothing I found defined how viable the ship has to be. MBG02 (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

The most decisive and identifiable moment in the early life of a large ship is when she is named with the aid of a bottle of champagne and then slides down the slipway and enters the water. This moment is called the launch, even though the vessel still lacks engines and most other heavy things. It has to be able to float, but that is the extent of the required viability. There is no similarly decisive and identifiable moment associated with the ship being finished and ready to proceed under its own steam. I don't think it is stupid, or anything else derogatory, to say Titanic was launched in 1911. Dolphin (t) 13:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

The Ceremonial ship launching article is a bit of a mess, as you can tell from the two maintenance templates at the top of the article. But if you read the first paragraph of the Methods section it does a good job of explaining the non-ceremonial aspects of a launch. There is some discussion on the talk page about the confusion. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll stick with "stupid". But I think lots of nautical stuff is "stupid". You may interpret "stupid" as "highly misleading" or as "not defined the way 99% of people interpret it".

I was hoping there were qualifying terms, e.g.

Launch of hull,

Launch of seaworthy vessel,

Launch of passenger-ready vessel.

MBG02 (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

How about Ship naming and launching? Dolphin (t) 21:54, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Some information about Titanic if anyone needs it.

The ship titanic sunk in 14 April 1912 – 15 April 1912 in the Atlantic Ocean. Titanic has been named "unsinkable" ship, and was the largest, most luxurious ocean cruse of its time, sadly it crashed into an iceberg on its way to New York in 1912, it took down more than 1,500 of its 2,200 passengers to the sea bed to never return. April 10, 1912 - Titanic sets sail on its maiden voyage from Southampton, England and had held 2,240 passengers and crew.

Who was the most famous person on board the Titanic?

John Jacob Astor was the wealthiest passenger aboard Titanic and was born on 13 July 1864 with a personal fortune of approximately $150,000,000. Sadly John Jacob Astor IV died on the Titanic 111 years ago. But Astor's wife, who was 30 years younger than him, was pregnant aboard the Titanic and survived the wreckage.

Where did the dead Titanic bodies go?

Only 59 bodies were placed in the morgue and shipped out by train to their families. The remaining victims of the Titanic tragedy were buried in three Halifax cemeteries between May 3 and June 12 147.147.39.32 (talk) 21:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

This smells like a copyright violation. And without a source we can't use it. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023

General characteristics

Change [Propulsion Two three-blade wing propellers and one three-blade centre propeller] to [Propulsion Two three blade wing propellers and one four blade centre propeller] LazyBrit (talk) 20:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Do we have a source for that? Three-blade is unsourced, and the photo of Olympic shows a four-blade centre propeller so I'm inclined to make this change. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The 3 vs 4 blade center propeller debate has been ongoing for years, with no definite data on which the Titanic had. No pictures of the Titanic, while being built or after sinking, show it. Dcheney (talk) 04:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

In that case I suggest we change the infobox to match the article text, which doesn't specify how many blades on the centre prop. GA-RT-22 (talk) 07:20, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dcheney: It turns out there is a photo purporting to be of Titanic's centre prop, and it does have four blades. This was posted last time this was discussed here. [1] Still, I'm inclined to leave the blade count out. GA-RT-22 (talk) 05:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

According to the tags on that picture, it is from the movie Titanic released in 1997. Also the side propellers look entirely different than the real on-site pics of one of them (where it is buried about half way). But I agree, when there is such doubt, best to leave it out. Dcheney (talk) 04:29, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

The Titanic has two other sister ships

The RMS Titanic had to sister ships called the RMS Olympic and the HMHS Britannic 2607:FEA8:9A3:2C00:3980:93AF:677:9B3B (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the article header. L'Oiseau Lybre (talk) 14:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Deadliest peacetime sinking

(Sorry if my english is bad, or too american) @Canterbury Tail u keep taking the text back when i delete, so here is my explanation. It says that the sinking of RMS Titanic remains the deadliest peacetime sinking of any oceanliner or cruise ship, but both that and the reference used is very false. The amount that died during an peacetime sinking has been surpassed many times during the 20th century. The worst being Dõna Paz in 1987, with 2,800 more casualties, if im right. And if u look at any other site about the deadliest peacetime sinking, even Wikipedias own article, the top one says: Dõna Paz. + it also says ”of an ocean liner or cruise ship”, but is that really right? Since Titanic was only an ocean liner, not a cruise ship. Many people usually mix them up, since cruise ship is more well known. Osthyveln från Österrike (talk) 13:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

So firstly Wikipedia may not be used as a reference. The Titanic is qualified to ocean liner or cruise ship, the Dona Paz was a local passenger ferry and does not meet the same qualifications. The other examples you point out and the Wikipedia article has Titanic as the deadliest ocean liner or cruise ship which is exactly the claim that is being made. No one is claiming that Titanic was the deadliest peacetime ship sinking, we're just claiming (with a reliable source) that it's the deadliest peacetime sinking of an ocean liner or cruise ship which is true. And note, you are currently edit warring and would be advised to revert your edit until consensus is achieved here per WP:BRD. Canterbury Tail talk 14:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Apologies Osthyveln från Österrike (talk) 14:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

names of recovery ships?

The article states that other than the chartered Canadian ships, five bodies were recovered by "passing North Atlantic steamships". The RMS Oceanic recovered three bodies, so what ships recovered the remaining two? Elsquared (talk) 06:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

J. P. Morgan

Morgan was almost certainly not scheduled to be on Titanic's maiden voyage,see https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/prominent-non-passengers-morgan-and-hershey.13921/ Mab819c (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2023

Around 317% of passengers survived 66.99.48.136 (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: That's one hell of a reproduction rate. Favonian (talk) 15:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Capitalization

I went through the passenger facilities section and de-capitalized several standard terms such as poop deck; I hope this is uncontroversial.

One thing I did want to note is that the previous text implied that there was a restaurant literally called "À la Carte Restaurant", and I cannot find any support for this in the sources, particularly those given for Gaspare Gatti. I believe the intention is that there was a restaurant in the à la carte style, but not explicitly named as such. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please feel free to correct me. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 23:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I like the changes you made. They are in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. Dolphin (t) 00:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Next port...?

I understand the White Star Line disposed of a lot of stuff when the ship was lost. However, I was wondering if it was true that had the ship survived the journey to New York, the next scheduled stop was Plymouth in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.101.38 (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)