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Messi has 99 world cups.

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Add source

@PeeJay: Hi! I see the source of information in subsection 2022–23 under Club career has not been added by anyone. Hope you will do this. Thanks!!! Hongkytran

Best player of the generation

I am a huge Real Madrid fan, and I wish it was otherwise. I really do.

However, Messi has unfortunately settled the debate in his favour with the World Cup and the additional Ballon d'Or awards. He is about to break Ronaldo's remaining goalscoring records, despite the fact he is younger.

I think the phrasing should be revised to the following: "Widely regarded as the best player of his generation and one of the greatest players of all time, Messi has...".

I am not basing this on my own opinion, most pundits and sport journalists have voiced that opinion. Nowy Prywaciarz (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

6 Penalties in a World Cup after 5 tries, with the 2nd best team in the World. You are no Real Madrid fan. Quit trying to seem objective
71.9.141.71 (talk) 18:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nowy Prywaciarz, won the world cup cannot change anyone to be the best of his generation solely. If you want to change please provide sources to prove that. In my opinion is that we got no objective criteria to judge it. Usually its decide by favouritism. The word "widely" is a notional or conceptual word that cannot been proved. Someone might ask "How wide is it?" or "How many pundits and sport journalists you had ask for?" or "Why pundits and sport journalists represent the whole generation?" Lastly, I suggest you to proclaim your Real Madrid fan's character next time when you go to Camp Nou to stand for your home team. It will be exciting and people will believe you, not alike here. User:田多光 19:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2023

I want to change Messi's height to the correct one. 7'2 Johnny Sins7g8re79e (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 00:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2023

Change one of the greatest to Greatest of all time and mention h completed football by winning 2022 world cup in Qatar 165.134.212.75 (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 23:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2023

Stats section total goals is wrong for early career pre barcelona first team, should be 6 + 5 = 11, it says 6. 80.47.125.191 (talk) 11:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 14:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC: can you please elaborate on your edit summary? Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 18:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Undone: This request has been undone. Waiting for the reply from the editor who reverted it. M.Bitton (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: The Total refers to the "Barcelona B" club, the stats from the "Barcelona C" section are also excluded in other columns. In the same table, there are two more "Total" tabs, always referring to the stat totals from his time at the specific club. The revert appears correct to me here. User:M.Bitton Actualcpscm (talk) 13:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why the record of "Barcelona B" (and "C") counted in Messi's career status? Its reserve team. If it should counted than should we add the reserve team record to all other players? 田多光 (talk) 20:00, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Barcelona B and C teams play in the Spanish senior league system. – PeeJay 06:31, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2023 (2)

119.160.103.207 (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC) update the messi picture to a new one with which was taken at the worldcup, tgis message was forwarded by football analyst Fabrizio Romano .[reply]

Regards, Messi Agent

 Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2023 (3)

Two suggested changes:

1. In the honours section of the profile card (the one you have to click "show" to unhide it) at the top of the page, it would make more sense to have third places indicated with a label similar to first and second. For example, it could be done with a rectangle with bronze background that says "third place" or "bronze" inside. It makes no sense for only 3rd place results to be stylized as medals. See the Spanish Wikipedia article of Messi for an example of what I'm suggesting.

2. In the honours section at the bottom of the page, it would be good to display runner-ups and or third places obtained by Leo Messi with the Argentine national team right next to the actual wins. For example, with the World Cup it would be done like this:

- FIFA World Cup: 2022; runner-up: 2014.

instead of just this:

- FIFA World Cup: 2022.

as it is at present. This would be in accordance with most other profiles of professional football players, from Sergio Aguero and Lionel Scaloni to Thierry Henry and Harry Kane.

Thank you! Vassalloef (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: 1. This seems to be an issue with the templates; as far as I can tell, the English-language medal templates don't have one for 3rd place that fits the style of the other two. Medal||Bronze just puts a B inside the circle, for example. Weird stuff. If you feel like it, you can go down the rabbit-hole and perhaps suggest an addition to the Medal template set.

2. I think given that there is a standalone article on Messi's career achievements, this section does not need to be comprehensive. Also remember that suggestions should be provided in a clear "change X to Y" format, so write out every change you want to be made whenever possible :) Actualcpscm (talk) 09:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Create page

Create seperate topic for philanthropy & style of play & reception KingBaba99 (talk) 08:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate topic for philanthropy & style of play reception KingBaba99 (talk) 08:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 March 2023

ADD “FIFPro FIFA World11” selections to Honours section just like the one in Kylian Mbappe and Xavi Hernandez’ profiles for example. Messi currently has 16 selections, from 2007-2022. 73.239.83.251 (talk) 09:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lizthegrey (talk) 08:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2023

Please 🙏 change messi photo in this page to one in which messi kisses world cup with golden ball in hand🔴🔴🔴 202.164.137.75 (talk) 12:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Lizthegrey (talk) 08:59, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2023

Widely regarded as the greatest of all time. 95.168.116.42 (talk) 20:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for exchanging individual opinions. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How many Champions League titles has Messi won?

Messi has won the Champions League three times – in 2009, 2011 and 2015 (all with Barcelona). He was also a regular for the Spanish club when they won the trophy in 2006 but was not part of their squad for the final. Shivamrajpuroh (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How many Champions League titles has Messi won?

« change four UEFA Champions Leagues to Messi has won the Champions League three times – in 2009, 2011 and 2015 (all with Barcelona). He was also a regular for the Spanish club when they won the trophy in 2006 but was not part of their squad for the final » Shivamrajpuroh (talk) 04:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lizthegrey (talk) 16:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Playing the final doesn't matter. He played 6 matches in 2005-06 champions league scoring 1 goal and thus he was part of the tournament squad and eligible for the medal which he got Alex Emeritus (talk) 15:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add media of leo Messi

add media Lionel Messi animated series with Sony in popular culture page Yosur (talk) 11:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Supercopa de España 2005

Supercopa de España 2005 should not be included in "honours" section of this article as Lionel Messi was not actually called up for both matches and there is no physical proves that he got a medal for that. NextEditor123 (talk) 07:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

when the club itself considers it among his honours then there's no legitimate claim to say otherwise. FIFA, Barcelona and la liga all consider him as having won 35 trophies for Barcelona during 2004-2021 Alex Emeritus (talk) 15:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The statement would be valid if he was at least actually called up to one of the matches or received a medal as a physical evidence. In this case, neither of that actually happened. NextEditor123 (talk) 21:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
all news sources and the official club page includes that honour and when Messi left the club all 35 trophies were among the honours won by him. Even AI score counts the 2005 SuperCopa de España Alex Emeritus (talk) 10:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you actually prove with actual news articles (primary sources) of that time (2005)? Or you are just fanboy like some users see you as? NextEditor123 (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2005 SuperCopa de España among Lionel Messi's honours.

As the official Barcelona page gives him that honour thus approved by the club itself, must mean, any information directory such as Wikipedia should contain all the honours officially won by him as categorised by respective clubs. Alex Emeritus (talk) 15:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The statement would be valid if he was at least actually called up to one of the matches or received a medal as a physical evidence. In this case, neither of that actually happened. NextEditor123 (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Already mentioned, that Barcelona itself considers him part of the SuperCup winning squad so as an information hub, Wikipedia should display what the club itself considers. Personal or otherwise discretion doesn't really matter. I already have the player page of Lionel Messi where all his honours are listed Alex Emeritus (talk) 06:40, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not like a club information cannot be biased, isn't it? That type of sources are considered as secondary in Wikipedia. Primary source can be news sites or official sites of Football Associations in that case. It is source of information that was created at the time under study. It serves as an original source of information about the topic.
Secondary source is one that gives information about a primary source. In this source, the original information is selected, modified and arranged in a suitable format. It involves generalization, analysis, interpretation, or evaluation of the original information.
Therefore, secondary sources can be considered valid for a Wikipedia article if it can expand an information from primary ones.
We can see that there is no primary sources which the secondary one could actually rely on. There is no official sources that indicate that Lionel Messi was called up to at least one of matches of Supercopa de España in 2005 or received a medal for that as a physical evidence. NextEditor123 (talk) 07:56, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
from goal.com to sports adda to any other site, transfer market all include that 2005 Spanish supercup. That should be primary enough source for you. Since I'm sure it doesn't satisfy you, I'll be adding all the sources in my next edit. All of my sources will be primary sources including official stat websites Alex Emeritus (talk) 10:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/025a-0ea88f68dbf8-ecb0e28b1eca-1000--messi-magic-wrapped-up-in-facts-and-figures/ here is an article from UEFA , the official governing body of European football and it acknowledges the 2005 Spanish Super Cup. Alex Emeritus (talk) 10:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Messi wasn’t remotely involved in the 2005 Supercopa. He wasn’t named in the squad for either leg, and he wasn’t even considered a full-time member of the Barcelona first team until later in the season. Anyone who considers Messi to have won that title is a bit of a fanboy. – PeeJay 11:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, are SportsAdda, Statista or Goal.com considered as reliable sources for Wikipedia? PeeJay? NextEditor123 (talk) 13:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Goal.com never used to be particularly reliable, but I think its reputation has improved in recent times. I've never heard of the first two. – PeeJay 13:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But almost does not count, does it? NextEditor123 (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? – PeeJay 15:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We still cannot say that Goal.net is a reliable enough source for the article. NextEditor123 (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about Goal.net, but Goal.com is probably fine. Is there no other source you can use? Can you link the page you want to use as a source? – PeeJay 19:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SportsAdda is almost certainly not reliable. Goal is more dubious (some decent writers on there though). It hasn’t been mentioned here yet, but in Messi’s own official website, the 2005/06 SuperCopa is included. Both Barcelona and UEFA acknowledge it, but if anyone is going to know it’s Messi himself. Nampa DC (talk) 21:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The most conclusive answer yet (if the previous wasn’t enough, which it should be) is Messi, in his departure from Barcelona, standing with the 35 trophies he won at the club with the 8 SuperCopa at the front. His 35th and last is also sourced by the club itself. Nampa DC (talk) 21:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you actually know that player's or club's official site isn't independent enough a source for their own players' honours. They are not primary sources which are more suitable for Wikipedia article. And stop insult other users. Last time you showed up when nobody objected to edits. Then you came back after one person started protesting ( Alex Emeritus started edit warring. Not me.) NextEditor123 (talk) 23:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And by saying that sources that this user put in this article are not reliable enough, you just proved my points right rather than vice versa. You can ask Mattythewhite about validity of sources for football players' honours. NextEditor123 (talk) 23:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You simply are obstinate to agree multiple sources credit the 2005 SuperCup. Alex Emeritus (talk) 09:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Crediting Messi with the 2005 Supercopa is ludicrous. He was not a full-time member of the Barcelona first team until later in that season and he played no part in them winning that competition. – PeeJay 12:53, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
no amount of sources seems to be primary enough to you. You simply seem to be arrogant enough and continue to defend your own take on this matter despite the official European football governing body UEFA acknowledging it. What more primary do you want ? The continental association ain't good enough for you? Alex Emeritus (talk) 09:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The link was given for you. Look there and follow the consensus. NextEditor123 (talk) 10:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is the previous discussion which resulted in a convincing consensus that players should not be credited with Cups won in matches for which they were not called up for the squad. Therefore, Messi's Supercopa de España should be removed. Those wishing to include it should abide by consensus or start a new RfC. Black Kite (talk) 00:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protected

Since the edit-war has continued despite the link to the discussion that I posted above, I have fully protected the article for a week. This should allow plenty of time for a new RfC to be started, which I would suggest takes place at WT:FOOTY for maximum visibility, as the issue does not only affect Messi. Black Kite (talk) 11:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please add the 2022 Finalissima in the first paragraph.

For the line, "With his country, he won the 2021 Copa América and the 2022 FIFA World Cup", please also add the 2022 Finalissima. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 23:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 24 March 2023

5 edit requests in 12 hours for appearance updates - now updated. There is really no rush, you know.

Add 2023 section to the international table in career statistics. Within the row to have 1 friendly game, and 1 goal appear. Jkmxwn (talk) 06:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

updates of stats

plz update lionel messi goals to 99 in 173 matches u r falling behind 103.242.189.6 (talk) 07:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 24 March 2023 (2)

update international stat after 2-0 panama victory FrenchFootball (talk) 13:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 24 March 2023 (3)

I believe i have a great level of editing skills to be able to accurately and timely edit and make additions to this page Duncanoff (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updates of goals and match

lionel messi has scored his 99th goal for argentina and has played 1 match more on 23/03/2023 so his goal tally and match tally must be updated and increased by 1 103.242.189.6 (talk) 09:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Messi (official name)

Leo Messi is not an official or full name of the football player. There is no official sources that confirm that this naming is formal. We don't write shortened unofficial names in Wikipedia for other players. Since when this article became an exception? NextEditor123 (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.instagram.com/leomessi
https://www.unicef.org/goodwill-ambassadors/leo-messi --FMSky (talk) 09:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Instagram page is not reliable source. NextEditor123 (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.unicef.org/goodwill-ambassadors/leo-messi --FMSky (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand if the player commonly goes by the name and prefers the name to be used then so be it ?

Greatest Of All Time

I personally believe that the "Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time" present in the article of Lionel Messi should be changed to "Widely regarded as one of if not the greatest player of all time" The addition of the "if not" emphasis the wider perspective view of Messi being the GOAT after winning the world cup. JoyBoyRay (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

add pic in popular culture page Yosur (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

wrong information

The first paragraph of "Club Career" said "Messi rapidly progressed through the club's ranks, debuting for a record five youth teams in a single campaign." Please read the reliable sources again! It said that Messi debuted for four youth teams in a single campaign! Not five! Why those always ask for a reliable sources but didn't even read it? Is it the principle of wikipedia? User:田多光 20:23, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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