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Computer Coolant

What is the best kind of coolant for a open-air cooling sytem for a computer? My cooling setup has a cooling tower (Kind of like a nuke reactor) but the system is boiling off the water pretty fast and the water is not carrying off as much heat as I wanted... so is there a type of coolant that will not boil off as fast and carries more heat away than water? Andrew Wiggin (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

What kinda computer are you running that needs a cooling tower? Most have heat sinks and little electric fans, and manage fine? --Jayron32 20:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

If you are boiling water, no change of fluid will help. See latent heat of vaporization. You are pouring too much heat into the cooling system. You need bigger pipes and faster flow.

Submerging your PC in mineral oil works well if you have SSDs and no floppy or CD/DVD drives, but it is messy when you need to work on the computer. There are many web sites describing folks who have done this. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I use it to learn CAD stuff on... My dad is teaching me so the more power I can milk out of it the fast stuff such a renderings go. Also... A Wiggin is my real name so... ya...speaker of the dead indeed? Andrew Wiggin (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Lots of computer enthusiasts use mineral oil. It's cheap, colorless, odorless, has a high boiling point (if it doesn't decompose before that), and is so inert that you can submerge the entire motherboard in it with no ill effect. See [1], or just google "mineral oil cooling". --140.180.243.51 (talk) 20:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

But the real question is how much heat can the coolant carry away. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if car coolant would work and how well. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried removing the cover and pointing a 15-inch box fan right at it, on high ? I've never had a computer that overheats using that setup. Sure, the noise is annoying, but so is a liquid cooling system. StuRat (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I would Prefer not to use fans as I also wish to over clock the system. I just don't think fans will cut it with a overclocked system. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It's worth a try, isn't it ? A 15 inch box fan is many times better than a CPU fan and case fan combo. And air can blow thru small gaps which water or oil won't. Air also won't cause shorts. StuRat (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Overclocking is ok for a hobby. But the amount of extra oomph you can get out of it will not make much difference to running most programs. I doubt you will get the time back you invest for building a custom cooling system. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

When it comes to CAD stuff every GHZ you can milk out of the processor can save 2 hours of rendering time. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 21:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

How much are you expecting to spend on this cooling system? Are you sure it wouldn't be cheaper to buy a better processor? --Tango (talk) 23:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Clarification, do you really mean the water is boiling, or just evaporating quickly ? StuRat (talk) 21:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It is boiling Andrew Wiggin (talk)

In that case, your cooling system isn't working. The computer shouldn't be running hotter than 100C... Certainly not so much hotter that it is actually boiling the water. You are probably causing serious damage to the components. --Tango (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Possibly to one of the processors. I am not concerned though. I have a intel over clockers warranty so intel will just send me a new chip if I fry her. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 22:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

What you should do is go join a specific PC overclocking / cooling forum like extremeoverclocking.com or hardforum.com. You might by chance come across a handful of people here who have practical experience in "extreme" PC cooling, or you could go straight to a popular forum FULL of people who do it for a hobby. Join, put some pics up, ask for advice, it sounds like you have something genuinely unique and unusual, I'm sure they'll love you there and be more then happy to help. Vespine (talk) 21:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Ya... ok then Andrew Wiggin (talk) 21:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

You've made a few outlandish claims that many contributors have been willing to entertain, but you have dismissed some of the best advice that you've been given here. Perhaps our assumption of good faith is misplaced. Nimur (talk) 00:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Here is the thing guys. I currently have the system over clocked to almost 6 Ghz. I am aiming for 10 Ghz if I can but with the way the cooling is going I will never make it there. It is critical to me to make it as high as I can just to prove to myself it can be done. Andrew Wiggin (talk) 21:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Can you give us more details please? Is this all home built or sourced from an over-clocking manufacturer? Is the header tank too small, the radiator not efficient enough or the pump not circulating fluid fast enough? Our water-cooling article discusses Fluorinert, an expensive 3M product, as a computer cooling liquid. This Innovatek article proscribes the use of their propriety fluid to maintain warranty status on their own water-cooling components. Their fluid, "innovaProtect, is a heat conductive fluid with anti freeze, anti algicide and anti corrosion properties". You describe your system as open-air so you are unlikely to be using vapor-compression refrigeration, in which case you will not need anti-freeze. Finally, our heat capacity article lists specific heat capacities of various substances, including water. Let me know if this is useful in any way --Senra (talk) 22:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Huh? Just wondering if an anti algicide promotes the growth of algae and if this is desirable --Senra (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Your going to laugh your ass off but its a Mac Pro I am modifying. I am fairly sure the pumps (yes pumps) are moving water fast enough and its a open air design so it has no radiator Andrew Wiggin (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Not under warranty any more then! What is the model number? --Senra (talk) 22:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It's the current Mac Pro Server Edition, Special Build (Had to call to have it built) Andrew Wiggin (talk) 22:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

If the water is boiling, I really doubt it is moving fast enough. Either that, or there isn't enough water so it hasn't cooled enough before it does the next circuit. Kettles boil water, CPUs shouldn't... --Tango (talk) 23:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I think this story sounded fishy from the start but I'm using my "assume good faith" hat. Intel xeon 3.33ghz operating temperature is 5-73 deg C. If you are boiling water with it, that means you are running at least, if not considerably above, 100 deg. I am surprised if it is stable at all, if by some miracle it is, I'll be surprised if you get more then a few weeks out of runnin it at that temp.. And certainly kiss your warranty good bye. Vespine (talk) 00:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Our enthusiast computer-engineer OP should read these articles: Amdahl's law, megahertz myth, and CPU bound vs. I/O bound or memory bound programs. Increasing clock-speed of the CPU, and even of the memory, often has no effect on total execution time. Nimur (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

February 2013

Your recent editing history at Joseph Muscat shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)