Talk:Antisemitism

Change the word antisemitism into antijewism

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It's more precise and talks about jews specifically.

It's similar to using antislavism when talking about a particular slav ethnicity. or antigermanism when talking about a specific germanic ethnicity.

antisemitism groups all semites together and jews use the word all the time, when, in fact, the conversation is about jews only not about all semites. it's not logical Dndm49 (talk) 17:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't invent words. And read the FAQ at the top of this page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The use of the word antisemitism to mean only discrimination against Jews may violate Wikipedia policies against racial slurs, since such usage is a denial of the semitic ancestry of Arabs. Westwind273 (talk) 03:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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Origin of the term

It is hardly known in the Anglosphere that Marr indeed popularized the term “anti-Semitism” by his book, but it was coined by a Jew named Moritz Steinschneider, from whom Marr took it: “He is considered the founder of scholarly Hebrew bibliography and, in the estimation of Judaist Günter Stemberger, was ‘the most universal Jewish scholar of his time.’ He coined the term anti-Semitism in 1860 in his criticism of Ernest Renan.” (German Wikipedia) 2A02:8109:1040:29C0:38D6:80CC:BC71:B212 (talk) 01:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

What source was used on de.wiki? Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitismus#cite_note-Bein-3 Google also "steinschneider" with "antisemitism" together and you will find some sources, also the Dutch wiki says it (with source https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitisme#cite_note-2), some examples https://www.abc.net.au/religion/john-safran-semites-and-antisemitism/13967962 and https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lJX96COzRA0J:https://www.jpost.com/tags/antisemitism&cd=8&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de (scroll down) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:1040:29C0:38D6:80CC:BC71:B212 (talk) 04:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

If the world's foremost expert on horses coined the term "anti-mammal" to refer to a hatred of horses, how could it be stated that the term was coined CORRECTLY? How does the standing and recognition of the scholar who coined the term OVERRIDE the fact that such a usage would be utter nonsense? Moritz Steinschneider's "standing" in Hebrew scholarship is irrelevant since he made an error as egregious as equating "Semite" with "Jew", an error as egregious as would be equating "Mammal" with "Horse". Can we not even examine whether such a scholar SHOULD retain their status as the leading scholar in their field if they say something as contrary to common sense and common knowledge as "The word 'Semite' means 'Jew'" or "The word 'Mammal' means 'Horse'"? These statements are obviously false on their face, and those who would say such things are obviously undeserving of any standing they have to be CITED for their saying of such things. A "Semite" is now, and always has been, a member of an ethnic group that speaks a Semitic language. All Jews are Semites, yes, of course, but this idea that all Semites are Jews is nonsense of the most transparent kind and we are left to scratch our heads and wonder why anyone would use words in such a way. Does anyone even ASK why Moritz Steinschneider thought that the best word to describe prejudice against JEWS would be a word that any thinking person would mean prejudice against ALL Semites, both Jews and non-Jews? Does anyone ask if that makes SENSE, or is the question of whether it makes sense or not rendered moot by the "authority" of Moritz Steinschneider? I cannot begin to guess what Moritz Steinschneider's motive was in coining the word this way. But I DO know his motive wasn't to give prejudice against Jews an ACCURATE name. Something else was going on, and whatever it was, it's not straight-up and devoid of "spin". This is NOT how encyclopedias are supposed to work.2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 04:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023

The National Jewish Outreach Program (NJOP) does acknowledge the Jewish origin of the word, stating that the term “Antisemitism” came about (in its Germanic form) in 1860, when Moritz Steinschneider, an Austrian Jewish scholar, introduced the term "antisemitische vorurteile" (anti-Semitic prejudices). He used the expression in a piece he wrote countering the ideas of French philosopher Ernest Renan, who claimed that the Semitic race was inferior to the Aryan race. Ealexbtti (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. We already mention this in the etymology section. What are you requesting be added or changed? Cannolis (talk) 07:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)