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    Good article reassessment for Fort Pasir Panjang

    Fort Pasir Panjang has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

    Good article reassessment for Morea expedition

    Morea expedition has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk)

    Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2023 are open!

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


    Military history newcomer of the year 2023

    As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the Military history newcomer of the year award. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.

    Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 9 December 2023 and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 20 December 2023. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 21 December 2023 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2023, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

    Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2023. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Voting

    Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

    The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

    All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2023.

    Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    A.D.Hope

    1. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Harrias (he/him) • talk 18:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Hog Farm Talk 18:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Boo Boo (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Ahendra (talk) 13:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. Zawed (talk) 09:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    JumbledPasta

    1. V.B.Speranza (talk) 00:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Ed [talk] [OMT] 02:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Their work on the Continuation War article is very impressive. Nick-D (talk) 00:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Teknologi Exprt

    1. Schierbecker (talk) 11:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    UndercoverClassicist

    1. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Catlemur (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Hog Farm Talk 18:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Donner60 (talk) 06:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    9. SEKDIS (talk) 09:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    10. --Obenritter (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    11. Ian Rose (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    12. Kierzek (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    13. FlaLibrarian (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    14. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    15. Zawed (talk) 09:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion

    For next year's nominations—it would help to have more detailed nominating rationales. Ed [talk] [OMT] 02:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Nominations for military historian of the year for 2023 are open!

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


    Military historian of the year 2023

    As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.

    The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UCT) on 9 December 2023 and last until 23:59 (UCT) on 20 December 2023. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 21 December 2023 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2023, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

    Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2023. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Voting

    Nominations for this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, the second and third placed editors and all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

    The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done below by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to nominee's sections. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

    All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2023.

    Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    BilCat

    1. Schierbecker (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Bill has made enormous contributions to Wikipedia over the years, including its coverage of military aviation topics. Nick-D (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. BusterD (talk) 15:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Donner60

    1. Hog Farm Talk 23:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. TwoScars (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. BusterD (talk) 15:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Gog the Mild

    1. Hog Farm Talk 23:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Lineagegeek (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Harrias (he/him) • talk 09:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Catlemur (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. Ian Rose (talk) 18:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    9. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    10. Imperial[AFCND] 11:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    11. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    12. Zawed (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Hog Farm

    1. Schierbecker (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Lineagegeek (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Boo Boo (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Donner60 (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. Harrias (he/him) • talk 09:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Catlemur (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    9. TwoScars (talk) 17:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    10. Ian Rose (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    11. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    12. BusterD (talk) 15:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    13. Imperial[AFCND] 11:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    14. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    15. Zawed (talk) 09:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    16. ♠Vamí_IV†♠ 14:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Pickersgill-Cunliffe

    1. Hog Farm Talk 23:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Donner60 (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. SEKDIS (talk) 09:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Harrias (he/him) • talk 09:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    9. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    10. Zawed (talk) 09:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    11. ♠Vamí_IV†♠ 14:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Sturmvogel 66

    1. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Schierbecker (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Lineagegeek (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. SEKDIS (talk) 09:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Zawed

    1. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    2. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    3. V.B.Speranza (talk) 00:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    4. Donner60 (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    5. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    6. Catlemur (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    7. --Obenritter (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    8. Ian Rose (talk) 18:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    9. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    10. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:04, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    11. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    2023 Israel–Hamas war

    This article has virtually nothing on the military aspects of the conflict. Experienced editors, especially those acquainted with counterinsurgency warfare, would be welcome to lend their expertise. Coretheapple (talk) 14:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I urge editors not to weigh in until the dust has settled. Also, I would not have considered the war to be an insurgency but a conventional conflict like the war between Russia and Ukraine. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Army general article, long overdue to be edited.

    Hello All, the Army general is currently in the category for one of the oldest unreferenced articles on the site. Would anyone be able to take a look at it and either provide sources or clean up the article? Much appreicated. Tooncool64 (talk) 00:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    RfC that may be of interest

    In the talk page of the article referenced above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#RfC_on_sexual_violence_in_lead_section

    Coretheapple (talk) 16:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorist

    There's a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorist over at Talk:Attack on Pearl Harbor#Good or featured article, and recommended semi protection. I've reverted them a few times on the article and the talk page, so I'm now involved, but if there's any admins open to issuing a warning/blocking for the self-admitted sockpuppetry, I'd be thankful. Ed [talk] [OMT] 20:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

     Done and merry Christmas! Nick-D (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    List inclusion criteria

    Hello! I recently splitted List of Germans relocated to the US via the Operation Paperclip and List of Germans transported to the USSR via the Operation Osoaviakhim from the main articles. Several thousands of Germans were involved in both programs, and certainly not everybody is notable enough to be included here. Currently, both lists include (1) people about whom we have articles, (2) people about whom there are articles in other languages (mainly in German), (3) red links and probably not really notable people mostly sourced with astronautix.com, where usual entry is just

    German engineer in WW2, member of the Rocket Team in the United States thereafter. Worked in aerodynamics, later returned to Germany.

    Born: 1912-10-19. Birth Place: Munich.

    German expert in guided missiles during World War II. Member of the German rocket team, arrived in America under Project Paperclip on 16 November 1945 aboard the Argentina from La Havre. As of January 1947, working at Fort Bliss, Texas. Living in Grunewald, Germany in 2004.

    Country: Germany, USA. Bibliography: 1980.[1]

    As we definitely don't want to have a list of 1000+ names, should (3) be removed? What do you think? Artem.G (talk) 08:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Support removal of three, per WP:Listcruft Annwfwn (talk) 13:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed on removing the redlinks. That is a strategy other lists have taken, like List of satirical news websites. For this topic, I would just be sure to clarify somewhere in the text that it's a list of notable people that were relocated, and is not purporting to be a list of everyone. That could be modeled off Deaths in 2023. Ed [talk] [OMT] 17:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Question about minor naval battle

    Any ideas if these two sources (1, 2) are referring to the same event? I think this has sometimes been confused with a later action involving a different ship, HMS Kingfisher (1675). See also (3, 4). Any input appreciated, 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 13:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, both sources are referring to the same event. The key elements that confirm this are:
    1. The ship "Mary Rose" is central to both accounts.
    2. In both descriptions, the Mary Rose is involved in an encounter with seven Barbary pirates.
    3. The time frame and context (the Royal Navy's actions against Barbary Corsairs under Charles II) align in both descriptions.
    4. The involvement of the artists Van de Velde (father and son) in documenting these events is mentioned in both passages.
    5. Specific details such as the convoy duty, the Mediterranean setting, and the successful repulsion of the Algerine corsairs are consistent across both accounts.
    The first source focuses more on the historical context and the commissioning of artworks by James II, while the second source provides a more detailed analysis of the artistic depiction of the event. Despite their different emphases, both sources clearly describe the same historical incident involving the Mary Rose and the Barbary pirates.
    skarz (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for that. I wonder where the confusion over the date came from. "8-18 December" is a pretty broad range, whereas the two print sources each say this happened on the night of 28 and continued into the next day. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Submission for contest

    Hello, new to this project but not Wikipedia. I have made significant contributions to RIM-24 Tartar as it was lacking citations and am wondering if this is eligible for the contest? skarz (talk) 16:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Its not a contest, but read wp:rs, sources have to be reputable, have a reputation for fact-checking and be wp:verifiable. Slatersteven (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I was referring to WP:MHCON - I meant are my entries eligible for that? skarz (talk) 17:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The article was still rated start class. It needed to be reassessed at a higher class to be eligible for the contest. The MilHistBot does periodic sweeps for B class articles automatically but would not have found this article eligible for B class. So a self-assessment at C or a reviewer reassessment for C or higher class would be needed. For the contest, the reviewer will check the assessment before confirming an entry on the contest entry page. (Occasionally coordinators will downgrade a bot B class assessment when the bot finds all criteria met and the coordinator finds that one of them has not been met.)
    In this case, I have reassessed the article as C class. It would be worth two points in the contest. To get it to B class, many additional citations are needed. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/B-Class FAQ: "Policy is to cite anything that is likely to be challenged but, again, this is B-Class not a FAC so some latitude is permitted. As a rule of thumb, the absolute minimum is that all paragraphs should at least end with a citation and all direct quotes should be attributed to a source." Reassessments can be requested at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests. The requests on this page are for B class review. If not assessed B, reasons are given and an intermediate class (start or C) may be given to the article. When all the B class criteria are satisfied, a further assessment can be requested (or the bot may see it but you would need to keep an eye on it to be sure.). See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/B-Class and the linked B class FAQ page.
    You can enter this article in the contest at C class if you wish. Please be sure to read all the contest rules. If you do not enter the article this month, but raise it to B later, it will be considered an increase from C to B, not from start to B due to the current reassessment making it eligible for a C class entry this month. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Contest and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Contest/Entries. If you have further questions, please ask. Donner60 (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Good article reassessment for Royal Canadian Air Cadets

    Royal Canadian Air Cadets has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:41, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Samuel Colt GA reassessment

    A GAR has been started for Samuel Colt at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Samuel Colt/1. From a brief look, I believe the article may be salvageable with a bit of work. If anyone at MILHIST is interested, please head over to the GAR. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Good article reassessment for McCarthyism

    McCarthyism has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Good article reassessment for Rescue of Bat 21 Bravo

    Rescue of Bat 21 Bravo has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BalinKingOfMoria (talk) 03:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    RfC on inclusion of Hamas denial in lead of article

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_7_October_attack_on_Israel#RfC_on_Hamas_denial_in_lead_section. This presents a possible NPOV issue, one way or the other. Figureofnine (talkcontribs) 00:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    AFD Alexander Zeitlin

    AFD Alexander Zeitlin - alleged Russian-American military leader - does not have a project banner for Project Military history. It has been suggested that this article is a hoax. It might be of interest of this project. — Maile (talk) 23:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]