Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 23

March 23

Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations

Propose deleting Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Seems to be a different spelling of Category:Stations of Ōigawa Railway. No other sub-cats of Category:Railway stations in Japan by company have "former" sub-cats except for the special case of Category:Kabe Line suspended stations. – Fayenatic London 21:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Ōigawa Railway Ikawa Line is a branch line. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Post–World War II synagogue architecture

Propose deleting Category:Post–World War II synagogue architecture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Synagogues by year of completion. In contrast to what the parent category suggests, the content is not about a particular architecturale style. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Puerto Rican luthiers

Propose merging Category:Puerto Rican luthiers to Category:American luthiers

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category. (The person is already in Puerto Rican music educators, so only one target is needed) Mason (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Merge instead to Luthiers and Puerto Rican musicians/artisans. Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States. It isn't part of the 50 states and the DC or an incorporated territory. 121.202.202.197 (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... to the closer these are probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) Mason (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The subject of the article lived in mainland United States while he was a luthier so merging to Category:American luthiers is entirely justifiable. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Civil servants from Winnipeg

Propose merging Category:Civil servants from Winnipeg to Category:Manitoba civil servants

Nominator's rationale: Small category for an overly narrow intersection of characteristics. There's no defining relationship between civil service and being from Winnipeg per se, so the only basis for this would be if the parent category needed diffusion on size grounds -- but with only three people here and only four in the parent, that hasn't been established. (Upmerging to Category:People from Winnipeg not needed, as all three people here are already in other subcategories of that as it is.) Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Propose merging Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion to Category:19th century in Réunion and Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion and Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the last proposed destination, merge to Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in France instead. Réunion is a département et région d'outre-mer of France. The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... to the closer these are probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) Mason (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have mixed feelings about Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in France as an alternative merge target, would certainly not strongly oppose it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about "in France" Mason (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or Kaliningrad post-1945? 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Asian American music

Propose renaming Category:Asian American music to Category:Asian-American musicians

Nominator's rationale: Other than Asian Americans in music, all the articles here are people. Current title could infer types of music specifically made by Asian Americans, and I'm not sure any such genre exists. Couldn't really think of anything else that would go in here other than more people. Adding the hyphen as C2C with the rest of Category:Asian-American culture. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The category already exists, and is called. Category:American musicians of Asian descent. Also if the category isn't merged, then it should be renamed to Asian-American music. Mason (talk) 20:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Mason, the category only contains articles about people, not about any particular genre. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also support this merger. Probably should've thought of it first. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created Category:Asian-American musicians as a redirect to Category:American musicians of Asian descent. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Preserve the link with the categories Asian-American culture and American music. 121.202.202.197 (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does Preserve the link mean? Mason (talk) 14:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brain cancers

Propose merging Category:Brain cancers to Category:Brain tumor

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brain cancer survivors

Propose deleting Category:Brain cancer survivors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. We don't have other cancer survivor categories. Mason (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT criminals

Propose deleting Category:LGBT criminals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is an extremely problematic category, under WP:EGRS. We do not need an intersection of sexual orientation and crime. Similar categories have been deleted at the intersection of crime and race. Mason (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Filipino police generals

Propose merging Category:Filipino police generals to Category:Filipino police chiefs

Nominator's rationale: The one member makes no mention of "general"; I have already removed it from Category:Filipino generals. – Fayenatic London 17:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Director General of National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies

Propose deleting Category:Director General of National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category created by inexperienced editor with only one member and no parents. – Fayenatic London 17:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Perhaps a Category:Heads of think tanks might be viable. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the Falkland Islands

Propose merging Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings in India to Category:Anglican church buildings in India and Category:18th-century churches in India and Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings in Malaysia to Category:Anglican church buildings in Malaysia and Category:18th century in Malaysia and Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the Falkland Islands to Category:19th-century churches in the Falkland Islands and Category:Anglican church buildings in the Falkland Islands and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the United Kingdom
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Russia to Category:19th-century churches in Russia and Category:Anglican church buildings in Russia and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Singapore to Category:19th-century churches in Singapore and Category:Anglican church buildings in Singapore and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Sweden to Category:Anglican church buildings in Sweden and Category:19th-century churches in Sweden and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Madagascar to Category:19th-century churches in Madagascar and Category:Anglican church buildings in Madagascar and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Morocco to Category:Anglican church buildings in Morocco and Category:19th-century churches in Morocco and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Latvia to Category:19th-century churches in Latvia and Category:Anglican church buildings in Latvia and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Denmark to Category:19th-century churches in Denmark and Category:Anglican church buildings in Denmark and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Argentina to Category:Anglican church buildings in Argentina and Category:19th-century churches in Argentina and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Austria to Category:19th-century churches in Austria and Category:Anglican church buildings in Austria and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Chile to Category:Anglican church buildings in Chile and Category:19th-century churches in Chile and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings
Propose merging Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Gibraltar to Category:19th-century churches in Gibraltar and Category:Anglican church buildings in Gibraltar and Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the United Kingdom
Propose merging Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings in the Caribbean to Category:18th-century churches in the Caribbean and Category:18th-century Anglican church buildings and Category:Anglican church buildings in the Caribbean

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one church in each of these categories, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in the cases of the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. Dependent territory categories don't get under the categories of the sovereign powers this way. The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... this is probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) that's been making a mess. @Bbb23 is there a mechanism to report this as a ban evasion? Mason (talk) 14:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confusingly in the case of Reunion further above on this page, IP went in the opposite direction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think that the IP has much stronger feelings about HK and Macao because they're in Hong Kong. Mason (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maliseet and Category:Maliseet people

Propose renaming Category:Maliseet to Category:Wolastoqiyik and Category:Maliseet people to Wolastoqiyik people

Nominator's rationale: Maliseet is becoming more of an outdated name for the peoples; Wolastoqiyik is its official name and is becoming more & preferably used including by the area's governments: New Brunswick, Quebec, and Maine. Wolastoqiyik is also preferred by the Canadian Encyclopedia,Dartmouth, CBC, etc. Additionally, my move discussion for the main article under this topic (formerly 'Maliseet') to 'Wolastoqiyik' received unanimous support and was successfully moved, so it makes sense to move the relevant categories as well. This discussion also includes Category:Maliseet people. B3251 (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support To match the recently-moved main article. AusLondonder (talk) 22:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and for the record, I created the Category:Maliseet category. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ISIS (K) terrorist incidents by continent

Propose merging Category:ISIS (K) terrorist incidents by continent to Category:ISIS (K) terrorist incidents

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one continent in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, redundant category layer. Brandmeister^talk 10:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guayana Esequiba

Propose deleting Category:Guayana Esequiba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Guayana Esequiba is not an administrative division of Guyana and shouldn't be categorized as if it is. It is the Venezuelan name of the area that is disputed by Venezuela. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Guayana Esequiba one of the geographical areas of the Guianas, like it is the case with the British, French and Dutch Guianas. It can be compared to the Patagonia or the Rocky Mountains, they don't have to be limited by administrative dvisions.
The categories currently has articles about its flora and fauna. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The comparison with Patagonia does not hold because the name Patagonia is used in the country itself and in many other countries. In contrast, Guayana Esequiba is only used in Venezuela. It is a matter of NPOV. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not used only by Venezuela. It's just the Spanish name for the region. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Whether or not it is a region at all is a matter of POV. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, irredentist claim rather than a useful category tree. Looked to see if we had a similar one for Taiwan Province or Tskhinvali Region and we do not seem to. CMD (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is indeed a Taiwan Province on parts of the island of Taiwan and the islands of Pescadores, which don't cover Taipei since 1967 and Kaohsiung since 1979. It still exists on paper even after it was streamlined. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The category was created by NoonIcarus amid a dispute on whether or not to use the term promoted by Venezuela, "Guayana Esequiba." We already have Category:Guyana–Venezuela territorial dispute, which covers most of the same material, so any related material in Category:Guayana Esequiba can be migrated to the other category.--WMrapids (talk) 12:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding plants and animals into a category about a terroritorial dispute doesn't make much sense. The category is about a geographical region. --NoonIcarus (talk) 16:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is exactly why I said "related material". If necessary, Category:Fauna of Guyana, Category:Fauna of the Guianas, Category:Flora of Guyana and Category:Flora of The Guianas can be used. As explained above and in the linked move discussion, "Guayana Esequiba" is a term promoted by Venezuela. WMrapids (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks football games

Propose merging Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks football games to Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks football

Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it also be merged to Category:College football games? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose this is part of a 191 member category tree. Eliminating just this one would hurt naviagation.--User:Namiba 18:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is 191 subcategories and 5 articles to be precise. A dual merge would make that 190 subcategories and 6 articles. I can't see how that hurts navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the 5 are about an individual game.--User:Namiba 13:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Palestinian people by descent

Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people by descent to Category:People from the State of Palestine by descent
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of African descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of African descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Asian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Asian descent
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of European descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of European descent
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Middle Eastern descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Middle Eastern descent
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of South American descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of South American descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Afghan descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Afghan descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of American descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of American descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Argentine descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Argentine descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Armenian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Armenian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Bosniak descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Bosniak descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Chilean descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Chilean descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Croatian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Croatian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of French descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of French descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of German descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of German descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Israeli descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Israeli descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Jewish descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Jewish descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Jordanian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Jordanian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Lebanese descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Lebanese descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Nigerian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Nigerian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Egyptian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Egyptian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Qatari descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Qatari descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Slovenian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Slovenian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Spanish descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Spanish descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Syrian descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Syrian descent‎
Propose renaming Category:Palestinian people of Turkish descent‎ to Category:People from the State of Palestine of Turkish descent‎

Nominator's rationale: Clearer and less ambiguous, the category:Palestinian people encompasses all individuals of Palestinian ethnicity. This name, "Palestinian people by descent," might be interpreted as including those individuals of Palestinian ethnicity whose ancestors were of a different ethnicity or nationality. However, this category actually comprises people from the State of Palestine, categorized by their descent.The term 'Palestinian' may also refer to people from the Palestine (region) or those from Mandatory Palestine, which are similarly categorized by descent. Stisorder (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This rename changes the scope of the category for the worse, IMO. These people are Palestinians, period. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. We also have Category:People from the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose many of the people in these categories are not from the State of Palestine. It goes without saying that Palestinians have been a largely refugee and diasporic people since 1948. If we remove those who are not from the State of Palestine, we would be essentially erasing their Palestinian heritage.--User:Namiba 17:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I briefly looked through these categories and didn't find anyone not from the State of Palestine. --Yorkporter (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are seven examples I found through a non-exhaustive search Mai Masri, Lisa Taraki, Elyanna, Roberto Kettlun, Alexis Norambuena, Camilo Saldaña, Pablo Tamburrini. There are many footballers who represent Palestine because of their descent and are otherwise citizens of other countries such as Chile.--User:Namiba 00:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Indeed, as User:Namiba said, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are not citizens of the State of Palestine. However, as far as I can see, we do not classify people by ethnicity and descent‎ simultaneously. See also similar case here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023_December 26#Category:Arab people by descent. Place Clichy and Nederlandse Leeuw probably know more whether we categorize people based on the shared aspects of their ethnicity and descent. Yorkporter (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Note: I was pinged. We only categorise people based on their descent if it is known and relevant; this may differ from their citizenship (or subject-hood) or nationality. There have been endless discussions about when it is "relevant", which need not be repeated here. Suffice to say that ethnicity and descent tend to be a lot more controversial than someone's legal affinity to a jurisdiction (unless the status of that jurisdiction is disputed). NLeeuw (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as this changes the scope. People with a defining link to Palestine in other eras also deserve to be called Palestinian. This includes for instance people at the time of the British Mandate, and not just the Arabs. Place Clichy (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Place Clichy A Category:People from Mandatory Palestine by descent already exists. Review who is actually included now in the categories being discussed. Yorkporter (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was just an example. The State of Palestine was declared in 2013 IIRC. There were Palestinian people before then. Place Clichy (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also wanted to add that Category:Palestinian people of Israeli descent is absolutely the wrong way of framing it. The Arab Palestinian population within the state of Israel are largely self-defined as Palestinian. An Arab citizen of Israel who represents the Palestinian national football team is Palestinian, not of Israeli descent. So this category should be deleted, period.--User:Namiba 18:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here I agree with you. Category:Israeli emigrants to Palestine should be deleted as well. Yorkporter (talk) 21:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Israeli emigrants to Palestine. 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. Does Palestine overlap entirely and congruently with the State of Palestine? 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per User:Namiba and User:Place Clichy's rationale and examples. There are many Palestinians who were not born within the current borders of the State of Palestine. These things are not always clear cut, especially in this case. – Starklinson 05:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:10th-century Danish clergy

Propose splitting Category:10th-century Danish clergy to Category:10th-century Danish people and Category:Danish clergy

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation to only have one person in here. Mason (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, the article is already in Category:10th-century bishops in Denmark, that should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: Category:10th-century bishops in Denmark is about the country of work, not the nationality of the worker. Mason (talk) 01:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes but in practice bishops in Denmark overlaps almost entirely with Danish bishops. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  True, but they're not in the same trees. So if not kept, we should still merge to Category:10th-century Danish people Mason (talk) 14:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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They should be in the same tree. It is absurd to exclude bishops in Denmark from Category:Danish people by occupation while nobody has an issue with e.g. adding Dyveke Sigbritsdatter to the tree of Danish people while she grew up in Norway and had Dutch parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Slovenian geriatricians

Propose merging Category:Slovenian geriatricians to Category:Slovenian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Russian geriatricians to Category:Russian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Polish geriatricians to Category:Polish physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Pakistani geriatricians to Category:Pakistani medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Norwegian geriatricians to Category:Norwegian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:New Zealand geriatricians to Category:New Zealand medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Filipino geriatricians to Category:Filipino medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Dutch geriatricians to Category:Dutch physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose splitting Category:Danish geriatricians to Category:Danish physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose splitting Category:Puerto Rican geriatricians to Category:Puerto Rican physicians and Category:American geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Cypriot geriatricians to Category:Cypriot physicians and Category:Geriatricians
Propose merging Category:Brazilian geriatricians to Category:Brazilian physicians and Category:Geriatricians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this medical specialty by nationality to this degree. Each of these noms have one or two people in them Mason (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If this is to go ahead, then Category:Canadian geriatricians and Category:Irish geriatricians should be included.--Ipigott (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the rest of the categories with two people in them. Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose merging: Category:Australian geriatricians to Category:Australian medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging: Category:Canadian geriatricians to Category:Canadian physicians and Category:Geriatricians
- Propose merging: Category:Irish geriatricians to Category:Irish medical doctors and Category:Geriatricians
Mason (talk) 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the Canadian category is big enough with 6, but I'd be fine with adding Irish Mason (talk) 12:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I will support merging the Irish category too if it is going to be added to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Part of an established category tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a circular argument. After the merge very little of the tree will be left. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 11:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The entire categorisation scheme of Wikipedia consists of occupation by nationality categories, many with few members. The other issue I see is then having say British and American geriatricians in subcategories but having a large category of geriatricians not divided by nationality. I'm not sure that assists in navigation, either. AusLondonder (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Necrothesp. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Auslondoner. 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... to the closer these are probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) Mason (talk) 14:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Executed American revolutionaries

Propose merging Category:Executed American revolutionaries to Category:American Revolutionary War executions

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pre-computer cryptographers

Propose renaming Category:Pre-computer cryptographers to Category:Pre-modern cryptographers
Propose merging Category:Pre-19th-century cryptographers to Category:Pre-modern cryptographers

Nominator's rationale: The current name isn't very helpful (not that mine is much better. But I'm trying to contrast Category:Modern cryptographers). I would love better suggestions. Mason (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Pre-computer cryptographers to Category:19th-century cryptographers and Category:20th-century cryptographers
Propose splitting Category:Pre-19th-century cryptographers to Category:Medieval cryptographers and Category:Early modern cryptographers

The above alternative better aligns with the existing category trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternative. Even better! Thank you :) Mason (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:15th-century Indian politicians

Propose merging Category:15th-century Indian politicians to Category:15th-century Indian people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is a redundant layer that's unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, and monarchs aren't politicians anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Indian to South Asian to avoid ambiguity. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would require a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Category:15th-century Indian politicians is an empty category so there is nothing to merge. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sammarinese historians

Propose merging Category:Sammarinese historians to Category:Sammarinese writers

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category with only one person in it, isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge also to Historians. 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is already in Category:21st-century historians. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sammarinese women poets

Propose splitting Category:Sammarinese women poets to Category:Sammarinese women writers and Category:Sammarinese poets

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse women writers yet, with only one poet in here. Mason (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]