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Requested move 5 November 2019
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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Orlando, Florida → Orlando – The only notable "Orlando" is this "Orlando". Other major cities, even those with smaller populations, are only referred to by the name of their city (see, for example Cincinnati). In addition, the widely accepted name for the city is just "Orlando". As per our naming conventions, we should call it by its accepted name. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 18:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Wug·a·po·des 04:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support per WP:CRITERIA. The proposed title is recognizable, natural, concise yet precise, and consistent with how 99% of cities are titled on Wikipedia. If Orlando were a town with 50 residents in France, the article would have been placed at the proposed title 15 years ago. Calidum 18:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- As with others although I think it would be a good idea since it does fall foul of WP:CONCISE, its not one of the big 30 on the AP Stylebook per WP:USPLACE which advocates that its common usage in the US. On the other hand we might need to follow User:Born2cycle/You can't change the guideline first. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note that this kind of proposal is listed at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames. At the top of that page it says:
This is a list of things that have frequently been proposed on Wikipedia, and have been rejected by the community several times in the past. It should be noted that merely listing something on this page does not mean it will never happen, but that it has been discussed before and never met consensus. Consensus can change, and some proposals that remained on this page for a long time have finally been proposed in a way that reached consensus, but you should address rebuttals raised in the past if you make a proposal along these lines. If you feel you would still like to do one of these proposals, then raise it at the Wikipedia:Village pump.
- I believe that the existing consensus cannot be overturned on this page, and recommend that this proposal be taken to a more widely seen forum, such as the above mentioned Village pump or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). - Donald Albury 19:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, we don't need to follow community consensus in all cases; it's not carved in stone. If there is enough support for this change here, I'll bring it up in the village pump for other major cities. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 23:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Calidum: when you wrote above were you not aware of WP:USPLACE or do you disagree with it? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Rockstone35: same question, when you made the move request were you not aware of WP:USPLACE or do you disagree with it? It is actually written in stone, albeit that the stone has been chipped at repeatedly by a handful of opposing editors for years, with the stone remaining despite the disruption. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I was aware of it, but I wasn't aware that it was considered a done deal. --Rockstonetalk to me! 16:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support - this is the article which is more notable and famous than the others in terms of what's listed on the Orlando (disambiguation) page. You have pages such as Dallas or Miami whose places with the largest articles, population etc. does not have the identifier. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 22:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- A notification of this discussion has been placed at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Proposal to move Orlando, Florida to Orlando. - Donald Albury 23:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's been a while since someone has proposed something like this, but WP:USPLACE has been discussed many, many times and the convention has always been retained. In any case it can't be changed or overturned on one city's talk page. Right now we have a very clear rule: We use City, State for U.S. cities except for 30 named cities where an authoritative Reliable Source has determined to omit the state. It's good to have a bright line. Abandon that rule and we will have chaos, constant arguing at individual cities. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
"It's been a while since someone has proposed something like this"
An RM to rename Tacoma, Washington to Tacoma was rejected back in September on WP:USPLACE grounds.[1] The nom for Fort Lauderdale, Florida back in July was withdrawn after being told about WP:USPLACE.[2] iirc, those are the only ones so far in 2019. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - per WP:USPLACE. This is not one of the exceptions to the COMMON practice of including the state along with the city name. Blueboar (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:USPLACE and Blueboar. SportingFlyer T·C 02:10, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:UCN. Newspapers use "Orlando, Fla" or similar. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, WP:USPLACE, as stated by others. Orlando does not fall under the AP Stylebook exception like Cincinnati does. The consensus in the numerous archived discussions regarding WP:USPLACE (listed near the top of WT:NCGN and at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames) is that a consistent convention, commonly-used by most reliable American sources, overrides conciseness on these article names. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Also, on the issue of a primary topic for "Orlando", Orlando Bloom seems to get more than twice the average page views of Orlando, Florida.[3] Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:USPLACE. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 00:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, "Orlando, Florida" is a name of this topic, but so is "Orlando", and the latter clearly meets WP:CRITERIA better than the former, primarily by WP:CONCISE. Yes, you can argue that the current title is more WP:CONSISTENT, but that's putting the cart before the horse, as proposals like this are precisely about overturning the USPLACE convention. Besides, the proposed title is more consistent with place names outside of the US than is the current title. So consistency is, at best, a wash. So the only reason to oppose this proposal is to follow a rule for the sake of following a rule, which strikes me as being contrary to the very essence of WP. I've been predicting for years that USPLACE will remain controversial as long it stands for unnecessarily disambiguated titles like this one (and, yes, including the state in the title is disambiguation, even though the result is also a name of the topic), and this is another case proving my point. We can end the US-centric hypocrisy now, or prolong the misery until some future date. I suggest we fix this now, and this move would be an excellent start to that. --В²C ☎ 00:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose I fail to see how the city is the primary topic, nor how shortening it helps navigation, so that's a lose lose.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose firstly WP:NOPRIMARY, secondly WP:USPLACE. !Votes by any usual suspect(s) against WP:USPLACE should be disregarded as persistent disruption. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- WP:NOPRIMARY? Orlando has been a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the Florida city since 2008. USPLACE results in situations contrary to CRITERIA and PRIMARYTOPIC like this one, so it should be no surprise that it is challenged and will continue to be challenged as long as it continues to contradict the policy, guidelines and conventions we follow for all other titles on WP. --В²C ☎ 17:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Why is the climate chart in Celsius?
Why is the chart for Orlando's climate showing Celsius? Also, why are the rain total showing mm? Most of the other climate charts for cities in the U.S. show Fahrenheit and Inches and then convert them but Orlando's chart shows the opposite. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:E86E:7233:C9D1:DFC6 (talk) 19:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Primary topic of "Orlando"?
If the city article can't be renamed to just "Orlando" per 2019 RM discussion, then why did the consensus opposed renaming the dabpage to "Orlando" a few years prior? Furthermore, there's also Orlando (given name). George Ho (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've thought about that before. In the 2016 RM I see nothing of substance that could persuade me that the city is the primary topic. It does seem like editors from the US see the case for a primary topic as so patently obvious that it doesn't need arguing, whilst editors from outside the country, who likely have not heard of this city but may know of some of the other topics with the name, most likely see the status quo as baffling. Personally, I don't think there's a primary topic with respect to long-term significance, but usage has been difficult to interpret because the data is obscured by the very large number of incoming links via the redirect Orlando. – Uanfala (talk) 17:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 9 April 2024
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Orlando, Florida → Orlando – This is far and away the most popular, well known, populous city with this name. It is one of the biggest tourist spots on the planet. When people say they're going to Disney World, they say it's in Orlando (even though, technically, it's in Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake). I move that this article is moved, and the ", Florida" is dropped from the article title, in the same spirit that Los Angeles, New Orleans, Atlanta, New York City, Boston, Chicago, et al all don't list their state as well in their title. TrueCRaysball | #RaysUp 16:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per WP:USPLACE. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just read that guideline (not policy, so it can be ignored), and I have to say I disagree we tie way we name US City articles to a guide from AP. No other country, as far as I am aware, has this. What should matter is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as it is with everything else. Orlando, Florida is far and away the primary. TrueCRaysball | #RaysUp 17:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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