Jump to content

Wikipedia:Non-free content review

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 82.30.246.35 (talk) at 20:21, 30 March 2009 (→File:Hoffa faces McClellan Comte 1957.jpg: MJD. ~~~~). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

WP:FUR redirects here. You may be looking for Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline.
WP:FUR redirects here. You may be looking for Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline.

Template loop detected: Wikipedia:Non-free content review/guidelines

Image:MerkelMax.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Discussion closed in honour of the arrival of spring. PhilKnight (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know this may seem a bit odd, my bringing these here, since I wrote their FUR. I encountered both of them working at the copyright problem board and believed that since the subjects were dead a fair use could be made. I based my FUR on Image:Paul Hill.jpg. Since that image had been around a while, I presumed it was properly done. Now, however, one that I questioned at MCQ has been nominated for IfD, and a responder there indicates of that image (a similar situation, with same rationale):

**Allow me to point you to [1] which discusses the famous JonBenet Ramsey photo which was widely distributed, mainly this quote from David Tomlin, Associate General Counsel of The Associated Press:

    • The fair use arguments for ignoring ZUMA's [the copyright holder of the JonBenet photo] assertion of rights to control the image are very weak. Fair use can allow an otherwise infringing use of a photo where it is the photo itself -- not what is depicted in the photo -- that is news.
    • Our usage of this is not even close to fair use by U.S. standards at all. howcheng {chat} 18:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)}}

If that's correct, then these aren't fair use, either. Since that contributor is an admin at commons, I don't doubt he knows quite a lot more about fair use allowances than I do. :) Other than these, the vast majority of my image experience has been with album covers, which are relatively uncomplicated. Most others issues I've broached at MCQ. I bring them here for review, because it seems a bit odd for me to write a FUR for them and then delete them because of an inadequate FUR. I am also going to separately list one that I uploaded myself, because I suspect is may have a stronger claim to presence than these, though I don't know that for sure. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Fair use. A small image used for educational purposes by a non-profit organisation has a very strong claim to fair use. Ty 00:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That might be true if Wikipedia weren't one of the top ten visited sites in the world (i.e., our usage of the material reaches a wide audience, as opposed to a teacher reprinting copyrighted work for use in a classroom of 20 students). Additionally, our non-free content criteria are intentionally more restrictive than what U.S. laws allow because it is inconsistent with our mission of providing free (as in unrestricted) content to everyone. howcheng {chat} 02:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't seem to be any consensus here that this is inappropriate. I'd suggest closing the dead discussion in honor of the New Year, but won't take the initiative myself since I am (a) the person who wrote the FUR, and (b) the person who requested review. A very odd dual role to fill. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Image:PicassoGuernica.jpg

This image, despite being under copyright, is being used all over the place, and I wonder if having it in nine separate articles is within the spirit of our non-free content policy.

I cannot argue with its inclusion in Guernica (painting), of course, nor in Pablo Picasso, as it is perhaps his seminal work. What concerns me are the other seven. Two days ago, it appeared in eleven articles but had FURs for only four. I removed the image from the other seven articles; five have since been restored with rationales. However, these new rationales are largely copied from the previous ones, and thus may not apply. In particular, the rationale for use in the article Spain says "Its inclusion in the article(s) adds significantly to the article(s) because it shows the subject, or the work of the subject, of the article(s)," but it doesn't really, and there are plenty of free images of Spain available.

I would like a review of this image's use in Wikipedia and whether the claimed fair uses are appropriate.

-- Powers T 14:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment While I do agree that Guernica is used more often than usual and more often than other works of art; I disagree that it appears in inappropriate places - it isn't being used in any inessential or trivial articles.

Guernica is an essential and pivotal work of mid-20th century art; it graphically depicts and represents both history and the history of art. The painting is one of the most important paintings by one of the most important painters of the 20th century. It conveys powerful and historical information beyond the ordinary information conveyed by a work of visual art. It has become a symbol of Spanish heritage and culture; as well as a symbol of Western art and culture.

It was a politically charged message against Fascism at a crucial moment in history. Consequently it appears in a few important and historical articles including Spain, Spanish art and The Spanish Civil War. It appears in Guernica (painting), Pablo Picasso, the History of painting, (the history of) Western painting, as well it should and in Goya's The Third of May 1808 (FA) and in Exposition Internationale des Arts et Techniques dans la Vie Moderne (1937) the place that exhibited the painting in the first place in 1937.

This is a crucible of Modernist art, and while it probably should not appear in any other articles beyond where it is now, I don't think the painting is overextended. Modernist (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I think it is potentially valid in those articles, but this depends on the text in the article. Where there is no text about it, but just the image and caption, as in for example Spain and Spanish Civil War it isn't justified. In fact there should be text about it in the articles, as it played a significant role and had an international repercussion. Ty 01:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually there is more on it below in the "The war: 1937" section, to which the image should be moved (the article is hugely under-illustrated, but has two pictures left & right together). I'll do this. Johnbod (talk) 02:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps the wording wasn't the best in some of the rationales, but it can be difficult to understand what rationales are acceptable and what some of the wording that seems to be acceptable actually means. In the article Exposition Internationale des Arts et Techniques dans la Vie Moderne (1937) where the painting was first shown, there is definitely wording in the article that specifically refers to the painting, and it is a central part of the article (and Exhibition) with a parallel to the artistic (and soon to be real) conflict between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia at the Exhibition. With the central themes of the exhibit (and article) best illustrated by artwork produced by 3 states which later collapsed it is impossible to illustrate the article without using some of this work. If Fair Use doesn't apply here, where does it? But how does all that fit into our pre-packaged rationale boxes? Smallbones (talk) 04:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

N.B.: The two articles that currently have not had the image restored are Biscay and Around the World in 80 Treasures. Powers T 13:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Guernica painting can only be used where it is required. In most places, it's not, because we have an entire article about the painting itself, and most uses can be satisfied with just a link to the article. This image is definitely used in far far far far far too many locations. 17:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I've removed it from two more articles, where there is scant mention of it. In other articles there is justification. This is an iconic image, world renowned and occupies a key place in relevant articles, where there is specific text relating to it. Ty 18:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thoughts:
    • The painting should not appear in more than one of these: Western painting, History_of_painting, Art. Using it in all three ignores the "minimal use" principle. Just because a painting is well known cannot justify using it in every overview article.
    • The use in Spain is not necessary; a link could be used equally well, since the actual appearance of the painting does not convey information about Spain.
    • The use in The Third of May 1808 is not necessary; the mention of Guernica there is fleeting and a link is sufficient for the encyclopedic purpose. This one seems like a clear example of using an image because the name of the painting was mentioned, when a link would do.
  • — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. There are more than enough artistic masterpieces in the world to make possible a more diverse and thus more informative selection of images for the three overview articles. Guernica appearing in one is sufficient.
  • Agreed. There should really be no need for any fair-use images to appear in any country article. While Guernica does convey significant information about the arts in Spain (a topical section of the country article), so would one of an endless number of free images.
  • Disagree. The relationship between The Third of May 1808 and Guernica is a very significant one, and the latter's appearance in the featured article on the former adds substantially to the reader's understanding.—DCGeist (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree the image isn't needed for the Spain article. PhilKnight (talk) 01:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the Third of May article has the strongest case. I was giving more weight to the freestanding Guernica article. — Carl (CBM · talk) 16:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to be in an 1RR/month revert war in the Spain article over this image. PhilKnight (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball cards in 1950s Topps

1950s Topps is an article about cards made by the Topps company in the 1950s. Currently it has one (non-free) card image for each year, shown in the list together with the size and the number of cards released that year. I think there should only be one example card at the top of the article. I added a card at the top, but did not remove the images from the list yet. Comments? --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had considered not using any baseball card images since I provided the reader and external link to a gallery of images. Instead of any one card image I thought that the company logo from that era would be best. Libro0 (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Having a logo of the company makes no sense when you are talking about the product they are producing. It would be like having an article about a Boeing 737 and instead of photos of airplanes you just have the Boeing logo. It is a bad idea. Most other articles that show a company's products show images of the company's product. You would expect that in an article about the company's products! Baseball Card Guy (talk) 02:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They vary fairly widely in style and approach (photos vs. drawings, portraits vs. action shots, etc.) and I think complement the article. It makes it clear that baseball cards and the like have their own fashion or style and evolve over the years. Especially if you can see and compare them in an even broader time context. Wiggy! (talk) 04:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • How about we keep time card images, but also put the 1950:s Topps logo at the top. The logo is good especially if the article grows to cover everything about Topps in the 1950:s. I'm not sure if the use of so many non-free images is ok, but it's not obviously wrong either. Maybe some image-deletionist will come along and tag them all for deletion, but that's a later problem. I suggest that we either keep the images small like now, how put them horizontally over or under the list. Two questions: 1) Are the images we have good representatives for each year? 2) Can somebody find the 1950:s logo? --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. If the images are kept in the table they need to be small. I have also tried but failed to make a nice row of the images horizontally below the table. I have also tried a montage image but those were deleted. I think that the best representative images are ones that are the 'most basic' form. By that I mean not an all-star card, manager, checklist, or other subset card. As for the logo, I have a 1950s version of it. My only question is, what does this do for the external link, which is very representative of each era? Libro0 (talk) 20:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To Wiggy: You make a good point. I stated some concerns here however. But also my concern was about getting carried away with the images. Where do we draw the line? The points you bring up are ideas covered in the sources that I have, except that the subject is treated in text. I was hoping these articles could reach GA or even A status despite a Low importance. Which states 'Very useful to readers. A fairly complete treatment of the subject. A non-expert in the subject matter would typically find nothing wanting'. I wasn't sure if a list/gallery article could accomplish that. Libro0 (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Roni browers.JPG

I'm not sure the rationale is valid here. It's true that she has died, but is the image for anything other than decorative use? Corvus cornixtalk 02:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it were in the infobox (which the article lacks), I wouldn't blink. The fact that the daugther is mentioned in the article adds to the utility of the image, somewhat. I think specifying that the purpose is to identify the subject would work, until a new image comes along, if it does - and there'd have to be a better one somewhere. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The original uploader and I have expanded the rationale to specify that the image is used to identify the subject. Please doublecheck the new rationale, but I'm hopeful that it works. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 02:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Image:Ramones album cover.jpg in Punk rock

An archived discussion in this forum here considered the use of Image:Ramones album cover.jpg in Punk rock and determined that its use in that article was not in accord with WP:NFCC. Now an editor insists here on using the cover in the article, saying “Text of article has changed and image--including proper rationale--is now clearly within parameters of WP:NFCC.” I find no change in the article that justifies the use of the cover. The article mentions the cover saying, “The cover of the Ramones' 1976 debut album, featuring a shot of the band by Punk photographer Roberta Bayley, set forth the basic elements of a style that was soon widely emulated by rock musicians both punk and nonpunk.” But this statement is understandable without actually showing the cover—as is illustrated by the fact that the cover is placed in the article two sections above the text. Furthermore, the same text was in the article at the time of the previous decision.

Should we reconsider the previous decision? If not what can be done to make the removal stick? —teb728 t c 08:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I must say, this is one of the more confounding arguments for an image deletion I've ever seen. The idea that the quoted statement "The cover of the Ramones' 1976 debut album, featuring a shot of the band by Punk photographer Roberta Bayley, set forth the basic elements of a style that was soon widely emulated by rock musicians both punk and nonpunk" somehow does not require the support of the image itself makes little sense. How are readers to understand what this highly significant image looked like without..yes...the image? How are they to fully grasp the "basic elements of a style"--a visual style--without the visual illustration of that style? In only the most minimal sense is the sentence "understandable" without visual support--it's a grammatically sound, coherent sentence, but to eliminate the image is to eliminate the majority of the encyclopedic information that is conveyed by the combination of text and illustration.
The positioning of the image at the beginning of the section (please, editors, learn the difference, the meaningful difference, between a section and a subsection) instead of immediately next to the quoted text hardly "illustrate[s]" that it is not an important element of the article--rather it increases the image's utility, per the language and spirit of our NFC policy. Not only does the image now support and explain the quoted statement, its placement near the article's beginning also supports the entire article content, which in broad terms describes the progression of punk rock from New York City--and the Ramones, in particular, and this album, most particularly--to London and around the world. If an image can do more than one productive thing in an article, we are obliged to place it so it can do so.
Not only is the old discussion outdated, I see it was ill-advertised (if at all) and did not include the views of a single one of the several editors who have contributed extensively to the article, bringing it to Featured Article status, nor the views of any readers who seem particularly conversant in the subject matter and could address the question of the image's significance within the context of this specific article.DocKino (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NFCC requires more than critical commentary on the image: By WP:NFCC#8 “Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.” If the the cover appeared opposite the commentary it would slightly increase readers’ understanding. But its omission is not detrimental to that understanding, for it is effectively omitted now, being more than a full screen away from the commentary. If readers want to see the cover, they have to go to another screen; if the article provided them with a link, they could as well see the cover at Ramones (album).
There is no critical commentary at the place where the image appears; its use there is basically decorative. Whatever you may say about its significance to the later commentary, NFCC doesn’t permit it being where it is.
I can’t figure out what you mean about the old discussion being “outdated.” Nothing has changed since then: The cover is in the same place, and the commentary has not changed. (Well, maybe the cover is a little further now from the commentary.) —teb728 t c 08:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with DocKino that this is a legitimate use. As he points out you can't properly understand what something looks like, unless you can see it. Words alone are always liable to create a misleading impression otherwise. I don't see any need for the image to be next to the words referring to it. Placed where it is at the start of the section, it is hardly going to be overlooked and gains a significance which prepares the reader for the subsequent explanation. This is an example of the "historically important photographs and significant modern artworks" that the Foundation indicated fair use would be necessary for.[2] I am surprised the article doesn't also include the iconic Image:Never Mind the Bollocks.jpg, which had massive impact. The fact it is not in the Sex Pistols article either is a failure to meet the highest standard of providing necessary information, without which wikipedia cannot attain the primacy which is its potential. Those over-keen to oppose fair use should consider this aspect seriously. Ty 08:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SenatorJamesRhoadesPortrait.jpg

This is a promotional portrait of a recently deceased Pennsylvania State Senator. As such, I believe that it qualifies under the NFCC. I would like this reviewed now, just to head off any future challenges ot its validity in the future. Thanks!--HoboJones (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official senate portraits should be public domain as a work of the government. Check the pictures of other senators for examples. --Apoc2400 (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not PD. This is a picture of a Pennsylvania State Senator, not a United States Senator from Pennsylvania. That means it's a work of the state government, or possibly an individual. Only federal works are PD. I would rather not use a fair use image here, as it should still be possible to request an existing one be freed. Superm401 - Talk 13:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a publicity photo of a politician, so there was already an expectation that the photo would receive widespread distribution. I checked for a free alternative for this person on flickr and cc search, but found nothing. The realistic chances of finding someone with a pre-existing photo (remember, he is deceased) that is willing to release it in GFDL are slim. He was a State Senator from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania--so there's not the kind of media and public attention that one would expect to follow a Congressman or even a more prominent State Senator. Herculean efforts to find a free photo are not required by the law or wikipedia policy. --HoboJones (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Since he is deceased, the photo is not presumed replaceable, so it now falls to those wishing to remove the picture to rebut that. Stifle (talk) 12:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Otto Felix Kanitz.jpg

Hi, I urgently felt the desire to improve on this article, today, and did my best to fill out the rationale for this probably best photograph of this person which can be found on the internet. I'd however want to

  1. have feedback whether this is a valuable "Fair-Use" (if I-for-myself would not have been convinced, I would not have taken the effort of down- and upload thisone, but I'd like to have more than my opinion on this, for possibly more similar cases).
  2. (off-topic, but I'm sure that there are a few native en-speakers&writers around ;): Please could someone
    a) "proofread" my edits in the article and pics and mainly please
    b) tell or show me how I'd have to apply for similar, in future cases. I think I saw some template for such, a while ago, but I do not find it again. Thanks, Wolfgang (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another off-topic, which might be "supervised" by someone who is "around" here, and is more competent: In Wilhelm Jerusalem I recently improved on a link, to "Max Winter" which is not at all the person in question. How to deal with such? I created an (up-to-now-empty) en-lemma with brackets, but really feel uncertain whether this was the best way to procede. Please address me on the article's talk page, on my talk page (preferably the COM-one) or per mail on this issue. For sure, en:Max Winter and de:Max Winter are not same persons. And that wrong link happens more than once on enWP. Wolfgang (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of Alabama Governor Benjamin Miller

This is a link to a photo of a portait of Governor Benjamin Meek Miller, who was Alabama Governor in the early 1930s. He was a public figure and I could not find any copyright notice anywhere on this web site. There is an article on him in Wikipedia without a picture. Is there any way this picture can be uploaded and used?

http://www.archives.state.al.us/govs_list/g_miller.html

Springfieldohio (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the original work didn't have a copyright attached to it, according to US Law, the image is public domain. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When I upload it, which tag do I insert to justify it?

Springfieldohio (talk) 19:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PD-Pre1978 User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The portrait is now uploaded and posted in the article on Governor Miller.

Springfieldohio (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

image:UAlbany_seal_lowres.png

I submitted this image and created a Fair use rationale for it but it has been removed from the article by someone apparently employed by the copyright holder. I put the image back and wrote a new fair use rationale to respond to the complaint, but I would like to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this is fair use. DoC352 (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine to use under fair use. Stifle (talk) 12:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Herald.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Image deleted. PhilKnight (talk) 20:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image is a magazine cover that shows the drawing of a person in camouflage gear while abseiling. Fair use is claimed for Allegations of state terrorism committed by Pakistan. It is unclear how the image relates to the article. It's certainly not iconic or even well-known, and there is no recognizable connection to state-sponsored terrorism. The very short article behind the image, [3], talks about a militant training camp that had been shut after 9/11, but may now be reopening. There is no critical commentary on the image or the journal. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: image has been listed at PUI as well.-Andrew c [talk] 15:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The PUI has been replaced by an FFD —teb728 t c 05:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would have just speedied it. --Carnildo (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, but it's been here for a while, and at least one admin feels it has a valid fair-use rationale. So I thought it better to demonstrate community consensus. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this image does not qualify for use and violates the Wikipedia's five pillars. According, to the ForeignPolicy.com's terms of use the content cannot be reproduced without prior permission and has exclusive copyrights.

"FOREIGN POLICY, ForeignPolicy.com, and all the text and images contained in each as well as other FP products are protected by United States and international copyright and trademark laws, and are the sole property of the Slate Group, except as otherwise noted. All copyrights and trademarks used or contained in the Site or FP and the Slate Group products and not owned by the Slate Group are the sole property of their respective owners. Usage of ForeignPolicy.com shall in no way authorize, grant, or imply a license to reuse or republish in any format for any purpose anywhere in the world content, images, or other copyrighted or trademarked material found on ForeignPolicy.com or in any of its products. No part of FOREIGN POLICY, ForeignPolicy.com, or its products may be reproduced in any format anywhere in the world without express written permission from FOREIGN POLICY or its publisher."
Further more, the rationale provided along with the image is purely speculative and based on personal opinion not in accordance to Wikipedia NPOV policy.
Dawn.com the parent company of Herald also prohibits use of any material without prior permission
Quote from REPRODUCTION AND COPYRIGHTS:
"Copyright © 2008 Pakistan Herald Publication (Pvt) Limited. All rights reserved. The reproduction, modification, distribution, transmission or republication of any material from http://www.dawn.com is strictly prohibited without the prior written permission of DAWN. You may print out a copy of an article for your personal, noncommercial use."
Therefore, this image qualifies for immediate deletion. Faraz (talk) 14:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That misses the point a bit. No-one argues that the image is free. Scary claims by the publisher(s) are hence irrelevant. The (wrong, in my opinion) claim is that the image can be used under a fair use exemption. The argument for deletion should be made at FFD, but that's essentially automatic if no valid use of the image under fair use exists. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I agree. I would like to add that the image in question is not related to the subject/article that it is displayed upon. As I previously mentioned the rationale is based on personal opinion and purely speculative. Faraz (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Image:Too_Beautiful_to_Live-Podcast_Logo.JPG‎

This is clearly not simply a logo. It is an image which includes a logo overlay. This file really either needs to be cropped so that only the logo is included or the entire image deleted.Notabilitypatrol (talk) 08:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if there may be a better non-free tag than {{non-free logo}}. —teb728 t c 08:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what would be a better one? Notabilitypatrol (talk) 02:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well as the “Other information” field of the rationale suggests, the image may be more like cover art than a logo. (Of course a podcast doesn’t have a “cover.”) I can’t tell whether the image belongs to the program or to iTunes. If the former, it could reasonably be used for identification, and the question of exactly what tag is really a technicality. —teb728 t c 04:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per iTunes TOS, podcasters retain ownership of their work which, presumably, includes both the graphics they upload as well as the audio. I think it's fair to assume the image is property of the program and is in violation. Notabilitypatrol (talk) 09:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you are right that the image is the property of the program, then its use for identification in an article about the program would conform to both fair use law and Wikipedia's non-free content policy—just as DVD cover art can be used for identification on an article about the DVD. —teb728 t c 01:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Spotlight richard-darbonne.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
image been deleted

I don't think this image is really CC licensed. Should be deleted. Notabilitypatrol (talk) 08:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it {{npd}} —teb728 t c 08:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The user has removed that tag, and added a non-free license. I have since removed the CC license and tagged it has having no rationale (though now I think I should have tagged it as non-free replaceable). This image appears to be of a living person, and therefore fails WP:NFCC #1.-Andrew c [talk] 15:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; I added an {{rfu}} tag. —teb728 t c 19:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

File:Just a Minute.jpg

Image is listed for fair use as "Identification of the radio programme Just a Minute. As the article is about a radio show, it is hard to find other images.". There is now GDFL licensed image of the show being recorded on Wikimedia Commons. [4] I think the CD cover should be removed from Wikipedia as it is no longer needed to illustrate Just a Minute. -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 15:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:China H-bomb 1967.jpg in Teller–Ulam design

In the Teller–Ulam design article, there are other images showing mushroom clouds, so in my humble opinion, the use of File:China H-bomb 1967.jpg doesn't add much. PhilKnight (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%. howcheng {chat} 04:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Bokassa.jpg and File:Boganda.jpg in Central African Republic

I've already removed them, but see [5]. Both these photos are of deceased individuals, but they both have their own articles and are not necessary for understanding in this particular article. File:Bokassa.jpg was also being used in Saint-Sylvestre coup d'état in a purely decorative role, as [htt p://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint-Sylvestre_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat&oldid=277459324 seen in this version] before I removed it. howcheng {chat} 04:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clueing others in to where you were discussing this! I disagree Howcheng's assessment, most especially that of the image of Barthélemy Boganda, the "founding father" of the nation, and an iconic figure in the history of Africa of whom Central Africans are justly very proud. He's been dead since 1959, was politically active only after 1923, and so will be impossible to find a free image of. That his image here is "decorative", especially in a section which discusses him in detail, I something with which I disagree. Even if I am wrong, this is surely a point of debate which should be raised on the talk pages of the articles before the removal, not done unilaterally and -- when called on it -- dismissed with acronym usage.
I also note the sudden upsurge in previously uninterested editors after I called this user on this edit, followed by his immediate reversion. May I suggest that however the community decides on this case, a more politic strategy might be taken in the future? T L Miles (talk)

File:Hoffa faces McClellan Comte 1957.jpg

It seems to me that the image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hoffa_faces_McClellan_Comte_1957.jpg is being used here in a way which conflicts with the policy that "Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts (which is the original market role, and is not allowed per policy)." In this article, the image itself is not being discussed, just the event it depicts.

  • But historical archive press photos are acceptable. Wikipedia's "Unacceptable Non-Free Image" guideline makes this clear (see #6 in the list): "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. This applies mostly to contemporary press photos and not necessarily to historical archives of press photos." (emphasis mine) - Tim1965 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So in that case, change the tag to say so. At the moment the tag itself says that "Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts", which is clearly not the case here. MJD


Image:MerkelMax.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Discussion closed in honour of the arrival of spring. PhilKnight (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know this may seem a bit odd, my bringing these here, since I wrote their FUR. I encountered both of them working at the copyright problem board and believed that since the subjects were dead a fair use could be made. I based my FUR on Image:Paul Hill.jpg. Since that image had been around a while, I presumed it was properly done. Now, however, one that I questioned at MCQ has been nominated for IfD, and a responder there indicates of that image (a similar situation, with same rationale):

**Allow me to point you to [6] which discusses the famous JonBenet Ramsey photo which was widely distributed, mainly this quote from David Tomlin, Associate General Counsel of The Associated Press:

    • The fair use arguments for ignoring ZUMA's [the copyright holder of the JonBenet photo] assertion of rights to control the image are very weak. Fair use can allow an otherwise infringing use of a photo where it is the photo itself -- not what is depicted in the photo -- that is news.
    • Our usage of this is not even close to fair use by U.S. standards at all. howcheng {chat} 18:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)}}

If that's correct, then these aren't fair use, either. Since that contributor is an admin at commons, I don't doubt he knows quite a lot more about fair use allowances than I do. :) Other than these, the vast majority of my image experience has been with album covers, which are relatively uncomplicated. Most others issues I've broached at MCQ. I bring them here for review, because it seems a bit odd for me to write a FUR for them and then delete them because of an inadequate FUR. I am also going to separately list one that I uploaded myself, because I suspect is may have a stronger claim to presence than these, though I don't know that for sure. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Fair use. A small image used for educational purposes by a non-profit organisation has a very strong claim to fair use. Ty 00:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That might be true if Wikipedia weren't one of the top ten visited sites in the world (i.e., our usage of the material reaches a wide audience, as opposed to a teacher reprinting copyrighted work for use in a classroom of 20 students). Additionally, our non-free content criteria are intentionally more restrictive than what U.S. laws allow because it is inconsistent with our mission of providing free (as in unrestricted) content to everyone. howcheng {chat} 02:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't seem to be any consensus here that this is inappropriate. I'd suggest closing the dead discussion in honor of the New Year, but won't take the initiative myself since I am (a) the person who wrote the FUR, and (b) the person who requested review. A very odd dual role to fill. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Image:PicassoGuernica.jpg

This image, despite being under copyright, is being used all over the place, and I wonder if having it in nine separate articles is within the spirit of our non-free content policy.

I cannot argue with its inclusion in Guernica (painting), of course, nor in Pablo Picasso, as it is perhaps his seminal work. What concerns me are the other seven. Two days ago, it appeared in eleven articles but had FURs for only four. I removed the image from the other seven articles; five have since been restored with rationales. However, these new rationales are largely copied from the previous ones, and thus may not apply. In particular, the rationale for use in the article Spain says "Its inclusion in the article(s) adds significantly to the article(s) because it shows the subject, or the work of the subject, of the article(s)," but it doesn't really, and there are plenty of free images of Spain available.

I would like a review of this image's use in Wikipedia and whether the claimed fair uses are appropriate.

-- Powers T 14:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment While I do agree that Guernica is used more often than usual and more often than other works of art; I disagree that it appears in inappropriate places - it isn't being used in any inessential or trivial articles.

Guernica is an essential and pivotal work of mid-20th century art; it graphically depicts and represents both history and the history of art. The painting is one of the most important paintings by one of the most important painters of the 20th century. It conveys powerful and historical information beyond the ordinary information conveyed by a work of visual art. It has become a symbol of Spanish heritage and culture; as well as a symbol of Western art and culture.

It was a politically charged message against Fascism at a crucial moment in history. Consequently it appears in a few important and historical articles including Spain, Spanish art and The Spanish Civil War. It appears in Guernica (painting), Pablo Picasso, the History of painting, (the history of) Western painting, as well it should and in Goya's The Third of May 1808 (FA) and in Exposition Internationale des Arts et Techniques dans la Vie Moderne (1937) the place that exhibited the painting in the first place in 1937.

This is a crucible of Modernist art, and while it probably should not appear in any other articles beyond where it is now, I don't think the painting is overextended. Modernist (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I think it is potentially valid in those articles, but this depends on the text in the article. Where there is no text about it, but just the image and caption, as in for example Spain and Spanish Civil War it isn't justified. In fact there should be text about it in the articles, as it played a significant role and had an international repercussion. Ty 01:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually there is more on it below in the "The war: 1937" section, to which the image should be moved (the article is hugely under-illustrated, but has two pictures left & right together). I'll do this. Johnbod (talk) 02:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps the wording wasn't the best in some of the rationales, but it can be difficult to understand what rationales are acceptable and what some of the wording that seems to be acceptable actually means. In the article Exposition Internationale des Arts et Techniques dans la Vie Moderne (1937) where the painting was first shown, there is definitely wording in the article that specifically refers to the painting, and it is a central part of the article (and Exhibition) with a parallel to the artistic (and soon to be real) conflict between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia at the Exhibition. With the central themes of the exhibit (and article) best illustrated by artwork produced by 3 states which later collapsed it is impossible to illustrate the article without using some of this work. If Fair Use doesn't apply here, where does it? But how does all that fit into our pre-packaged rationale boxes? Smallbones (talk) 04:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

N.B.: The two articles that currently have not had the image restored are Biscay and Around the World in 80 Treasures. Powers T 13:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Guernica painting can only be used where it is required. In most places, it's not, because we have an entire article about the painting itself, and most uses can be satisfied with just a link to the article. This image is definitely used in far far far far far too many locations. 17:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I've removed it from two more articles, where there is scant mention of it. In other articles there is justification. This is an iconic image, world renowned and occupies a key place in relevant articles, where there is specific text relating to it. Ty 18:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thoughts:
    • The painting should not appear in more than one of these: Western painting, History_of_painting, Art. Using it in all three ignores the "minimal use" principle. Just because a painting is well known cannot justify using it in every overview article.
    • The use in Spain is not necessary; a link could be used equally well, since the actual appearance of the painting does not convey information about Spain.
    • The use in The Third of May 1808 is not necessary; the mention of Guernica there is fleeting and a link is sufficient for the encyclopedic purpose. This one seems like a clear example of using an image because the name of the painting was mentioned, when a link would do.
  • — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. There are more than enough artistic masterpieces in the world to make possible a more diverse and thus more informative selection of images for the three overview articles. Guernica appearing in one is sufficient.
  • Agreed. There should really be no need for any fair-use images to appear in any country article. While Guernica does convey significant information about the arts in Spain (a topical section of the country article), so would one of an endless number of free images.
  • Disagree. The relationship between The Third of May 1808 and Guernica is a very significant one, and the latter's appearance in the featured article on the former adds substantially to the reader's understanding.—DCGeist (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree the image isn't needed for the Spain article. PhilKnight (talk) 01:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the Third of May article has the strongest case. I was giving more weight to the freestanding Guernica article. — Carl (CBM · talk) 16:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to be in an 1RR/month revert war in the Spain article over this image. PhilKnight (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball cards in 1950s Topps

1950s Topps is an article about cards made by the Topps company in the 1950s. Currently it has one (non-free) card image for each year, shown in the list together with the size and the number of cards released that year. I think there should only be one example card at the top of the article. I added a card at the top, but did not remove the images from the list yet. Comments? --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had considered not using any baseball card images since I provided the reader and external link to a gallery of images. Instead of any one card image I thought that the company logo from that era would be best. Libro0 (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Having a logo of the company makes no sense when you are talking about the product they are producing. It would be like having an article about a Boeing 737 and instead of photos of airplanes you just have the Boeing logo. It is a bad idea. Most other articles that show a company's products show images of the company's product. You would expect that in an article about the company's products! Baseball Card Guy (talk) 02:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They vary fairly widely in style and approach (photos vs. drawings, portraits vs. action shots, etc.) and I think complement the article. It makes it clear that baseball cards and the like have their own fashion or style and evolve over the years. Especially if you can see and compare them in an even broader time context. Wiggy! (talk) 04:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • How about we keep time card images, but also put the 1950:s Topps logo at the top. The logo is good especially if the article grows to cover everything about Topps in the 1950:s. I'm not sure if the use of so many non-free images is ok, but it's not obviously wrong either. Maybe some image-deletionist will come along and tag them all for deletion, but that's a later problem. I suggest that we either keep the images small like now, how put them horizontally over or under the list. Two questions: 1) Are the images we have good representatives for each year? 2) Can somebody find the 1950:s logo? --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. If the images are kept in the table they need to be small. I have also tried but failed to make a nice row of the images horizontally below the table. I have also tried a montage image but those were deleted. I think that the best representative images are ones that are the 'most basic' form. By that I mean not an all-star card, manager, checklist, or other subset card. As for the logo, I have a 1950s version of it. My only question is, what does this do for the external link, which is very representative of each era? Libro0 (talk) 20:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To Wiggy: You make a good point. I stated some concerns here however. But also my concern was about getting carried away with the images. Where do we draw the line? The points you bring up are ideas covered in the sources that I have, except that the subject is treated in text. I was hoping these articles could reach GA or even A status despite a Low importance. Which states 'Very useful to readers. A fairly complete treatment of the subject. A non-expert in the subject matter would typically find nothing wanting'. I wasn't sure if a list/gallery article could accomplish that. Libro0 (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Roni browers.JPG

I'm not sure the rationale is valid here. It's true that she has died, but is the image for anything other than decorative use? Corvus cornixtalk 02:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it were in the infobox (which the article lacks), I wouldn't blink. The fact that the daugther is mentioned in the article adds to the utility of the image, somewhat. I think specifying that the purpose is to identify the subject would work, until a new image comes along, if it does - and there'd have to be a better one somewhere. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The original uploader and I have expanded the rationale to specify that the image is used to identify the subject. Please doublecheck the new rationale, but I'm hopeful that it works. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 02:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Image:Ramones album cover.jpg in Punk rock

An archived discussion in this forum here considered the use of Image:Ramones album cover.jpg in Punk rock and determined that its use in that article was not in accord with WP:NFCC. Now an editor insists here on using the cover in the article, saying “Text of article has changed and image--including proper rationale--is now clearly within parameters of WP:NFCC.” I find no change in the article that justifies the use of the cover. The article mentions the cover saying, “The cover of the Ramones' 1976 debut album, featuring a shot of the band by Punk photographer Roberta Bayley, set forth the basic elements of a style that was soon widely emulated by rock musicians both punk and nonpunk.” But this statement is understandable without actually showing the cover—as is illustrated by the fact that the cover is placed in the article two sections above the text. Furthermore, the same text was in the article at the time of the previous decision.

Should we reconsider the previous decision? If not what can be done to make the removal stick? —teb728 t c 08:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I must say, this is one of the more confounding arguments for an image deletion I've ever seen. The idea that the quoted statement "The cover of the Ramones' 1976 debut album, featuring a shot of the band by Punk photographer Roberta Bayley, set forth the basic elements of a style that was soon widely emulated by rock musicians both punk and nonpunk" somehow does not require the support of the image itself makes little sense. How are readers to understand what this highly significant image looked like without..yes...the image? How are they to fully grasp the "basic elements of a style"--a visual style--without the visual illustration of that style? In only the most minimal sense is the sentence "understandable" without visual support--it's a grammatically sound, coherent sentence, but to eliminate the image is to eliminate the majority of the encyclopedic information that is conveyed by the combination of text and illustration.
The positioning of the image at the beginning of the section (please, editors, learn the difference, the meaningful difference, between a section and a subsection) instead of immediately next to the quoted text hardly "illustrate[s]" that it is not an important element of the article--rather it increases the image's utility, per the language and spirit of our NFC policy. Not only does the image now support and explain the quoted statement, its placement near the article's beginning also supports the entire article content, which in broad terms describes the progression of punk rock from New York City--and the Ramones, in particular, and this album, most particularly--to London and around the world. If an image can do more than one productive thing in an article, we are obliged to place it so it can do so.
Not only is the old discussion outdated, I see it was ill-advertised (if at all) and did not include the views of a single one of the several editors who have contributed extensively to the article, bringing it to Featured Article status, nor the views of any readers who seem particularly conversant in the subject matter and could address the question of the image's significance within the context of this specific article.DocKino (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NFCC requires more than critical commentary on the image: By WP:NFCC#8 “Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.” If the the cover appeared opposite the commentary it would slightly increase readers’ understanding. But its omission is not detrimental to that understanding, for it is effectively omitted now, being more than a full screen away from the commentary. If readers want to see the cover, they have to go to another screen; if the article provided them with a link, they could as well see the cover at Ramones (album).
There is no critical commentary at the place where the image appears; its use there is basically decorative. Whatever you may say about its significance to the later commentary, NFCC doesn’t permit it being where it is.
I can’t figure out what you mean about the old discussion being “outdated.” Nothing has changed since then: The cover is in the same place, and the commentary has not changed. (Well, maybe the cover is a little further now from the commentary.) —teb728 t c 08:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with DocKino that this is a legitimate use. As he points out you can't properly understand what something looks like, unless you can see it. Words alone are always liable to create a misleading impression otherwise. I don't see any need for the image to be next to the words referring to it. Placed where it is at the start of the section, it is hardly going to be overlooked and gains a significance which prepares the reader for the subsequent explanation. This is an example of the "historically important photographs and significant modern artworks" that the Foundation indicated fair use would be necessary for.[7] I am surprised the article doesn't also include the iconic Image:Never Mind the Bollocks.jpg, which had massive impact. The fact it is not in the Sex Pistols article either is a failure to meet the highest standard of providing necessary information, without which wikipedia cannot attain the primacy which is its potential. Those over-keen to oppose fair use should consider this aspect seriously. Ty 08:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SenatorJamesRhoadesPortrait.jpg

This is a promotional portrait of a recently deceased Pennsylvania State Senator. As such, I believe that it qualifies under the NFCC. I would like this reviewed now, just to head off any future challenges ot its validity in the future. Thanks!--HoboJones (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official senate portraits should be public domain as a work of the government. Check the pictures of other senators for examples. --Apoc2400 (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not PD. This is a picture of a Pennsylvania State Senator, not a United States Senator from Pennsylvania. That means it's a work of the state government, or possibly an individual. Only federal works are PD. I would rather not use a fair use image here, as it should still be possible to request an existing one be freed. Superm401 - Talk 13:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a publicity photo of a politician, so there was already an expectation that the photo would receive widespread distribution. I checked for a free alternative for this person on flickr and cc search, but found nothing. The realistic chances of finding someone with a pre-existing photo (remember, he is deceased) that is willing to release it in GFDL are slim. He was a State Senator from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania--so there's not the kind of media and public attention that one would expect to follow a Congressman or even a more prominent State Senator. Herculean efforts to find a free photo are not required by the law or wikipedia policy. --HoboJones (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Since he is deceased, the photo is not presumed replaceable, so it now falls to those wishing to remove the picture to rebut that. Stifle (talk) 12:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Otto Felix Kanitz.jpg

Hi, I urgently felt the desire to improve on this article, today, and did my best to fill out the rationale for this probably best photograph of this person which can be found on the internet. I'd however want to

  1. have feedback whether this is a valuable "Fair-Use" (if I-for-myself would not have been convinced, I would not have taken the effort of down- and upload thisone, but I'd like to have more than my opinion on this, for possibly more similar cases).
  2. (off-topic, but I'm sure that there are a few native en-speakers&writers around ;): Please could someone
    a) "proofread" my edits in the article and pics and mainly please
    b) tell or show me how I'd have to apply for similar, in future cases. I think I saw some template for such, a while ago, but I do not find it again. Thanks, Wolfgang (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another off-topic, which might be "supervised" by someone who is "around" here, and is more competent: In Wilhelm Jerusalem I recently improved on a link, to "Max Winter" which is not at all the person in question. How to deal with such? I created an (up-to-now-empty) en-lemma with brackets, but really feel uncertain whether this was the best way to procede. Please address me on the article's talk page, on my talk page (preferably the COM-one) or per mail on this issue. For sure, en:Max Winter and de:Max Winter are not same persons. And that wrong link happens more than once on enWP. Wolfgang (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of Alabama Governor Benjamin Miller

This is a link to a photo of a portait of Governor Benjamin Meek Miller, who was Alabama Governor in the early 1930s. He was a public figure and I could not find any copyright notice anywhere on this web site. There is an article on him in Wikipedia without a picture. Is there any way this picture can be uploaded and used?

http://www.archives.state.al.us/govs_list/g_miller.html

Springfieldohio (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the original work didn't have a copyright attached to it, according to US Law, the image is public domain. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When I upload it, which tag do I insert to justify it?

Springfieldohio (talk) 19:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PD-Pre1978 User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The portrait is now uploaded and posted in the article on Governor Miller.

Springfieldohio (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

image:UAlbany_seal_lowres.png

I submitted this image and created a Fair use rationale for it but it has been removed from the article by someone apparently employed by the copyright holder. I put the image back and wrote a new fair use rationale to respond to the complaint, but I would like to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this is fair use. DoC352 (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine to use under fair use. Stifle (talk) 12:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Herald.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Image deleted. PhilKnight (talk) 20:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image is a magazine cover that shows the drawing of a person in camouflage gear while abseiling. Fair use is claimed for Allegations of state terrorism committed by Pakistan. It is unclear how the image relates to the article. It's certainly not iconic or even well-known, and there is no recognizable connection to state-sponsored terrorism. The very short article behind the image, [8], talks about a militant training camp that had been shut after 9/11, but may now be reopening. There is no critical commentary on the image or the journal. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: image has been listed at PUI as well.-Andrew c [talk] 15:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The PUI has been replaced by an FFD —teb728 t c 05:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would have just speedied it. --Carnildo (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, but it's been here for a while, and at least one admin feels it has a valid fair-use rationale. So I thought it better to demonstrate community consensus. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this image does not qualify for use and violates the Wikipedia's five pillars. According, to the ForeignPolicy.com's terms of use the content cannot be reproduced without prior permission and has exclusive copyrights.

"FOREIGN POLICY, ForeignPolicy.com, and all the text and images contained in each as well as other FP products are protected by United States and international copyright and trademark laws, and are the sole property of the Slate Group, except as otherwise noted. All copyrights and trademarks used or contained in the Site or FP and the Slate Group products and not owned by the Slate Group are the sole property of their respective owners. Usage of ForeignPolicy.com shall in no way authorize, grant, or imply a license to reuse or republish in any format for any purpose anywhere in the world content, images, or other copyrighted or trademarked material found on ForeignPolicy.com or in any of its products. No part of FOREIGN POLICY, ForeignPolicy.com, or its products may be reproduced in any format anywhere in the world without express written permission from FOREIGN POLICY or its publisher."
Further more, the rationale provided along with the image is purely speculative and based on personal opinion not in accordance to Wikipedia NPOV policy.
Dawn.com the parent company of Herald also prohibits use of any material without prior permission
Quote from REPRODUCTION AND COPYRIGHTS:
"Copyright © 2008 Pakistan Herald Publication (Pvt) Limited. All rights reserved. The reproduction, modification, distribution, transmission or republication of any material from http://www.dawn.com is strictly prohibited without the prior written permission of DAWN. You may print out a copy of an article for your personal, noncommercial use."
Therefore, this image qualifies for immediate deletion. Faraz (talk) 14:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That misses the point a bit. No-one argues that the image is free. Scary claims by the publisher(s) are hence irrelevant. The (wrong, in my opinion) claim is that the image can be used under a fair use exemption. The argument for deletion should be made at FFD, but that's essentially automatic if no valid use of the image under fair use exists. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I agree. I would like to add that the image in question is not related to the subject/article that it is displayed upon. As I previously mentioned the rationale is based on personal opinion and purely speculative. Faraz (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Image:Too_Beautiful_to_Live-Podcast_Logo.JPG‎

This is clearly not simply a logo. It is an image which includes a logo overlay. This file really either needs to be cropped so that only the logo is included or the entire image deleted.Notabilitypatrol (talk) 08:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if there may be a better non-free tag than {{non-free logo}}. —teb728 t c 08:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what would be a better one? Notabilitypatrol (talk) 02:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well as the “Other information” field of the rationale suggests, the image may be more like cover art than a logo. (Of course a podcast doesn’t have a “cover.”) I can’t tell whether the image belongs to the program or to iTunes. If the former, it could reasonably be used for identification, and the question of exactly what tag is really a technicality. —teb728 t c 04:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per iTunes TOS, podcasters retain ownership of their work which, presumably, includes both the graphics they upload as well as the audio. I think it's fair to assume the image is property of the program and is in violation. Notabilitypatrol (talk) 09:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you are right that the image is the property of the program, then its use for identification in an article about the program would conform to both fair use law and Wikipedia's non-free content policy—just as DVD cover art can be used for identification on an article about the DVD. —teb728 t c 01:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Spotlight richard-darbonne.jpg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
image been deleted

I don't think this image is really CC licensed. Should be deleted. Notabilitypatrol (talk) 08:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it {{npd}} —teb728 t c 08:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The user has removed that tag, and added a non-free license. I have since removed the CC license and tagged it has having no rationale (though now I think I should have tagged it as non-free replaceable). This image appears to be of a living person, and therefore fails WP:NFCC #1.-Andrew c [talk] 15:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; I added an {{rfu}} tag. —teb728 t c 19:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

File:Just a Minute.jpg

Image is listed for fair use as "Identification of the radio programme Just a Minute. As the article is about a radio show, it is hard to find other images.". There is now GDFL licensed image of the show being recorded on Wikimedia Commons. [9] I think the CD cover should be removed from Wikipedia as it is no longer needed to illustrate Just a Minute. -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 15:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:China H-bomb 1967.jpg in Teller–Ulam design

In the Teller–Ulam design article, there are other images showing mushroom clouds, so in my humble opinion, the use of File:China H-bomb 1967.jpg doesn't add much. PhilKnight (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%. howcheng {chat} 04:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Bokassa.jpg and File:Boganda.jpg in Central African Republic

I've already removed them, but see [10]. Both these photos are of deceased individuals, but they both have their own articles and are not necessary for understanding in this particular article. File:Bokassa.jpg was also being used in Saint-Sylvestre coup d'état in a purely decorative role, as [htt p://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint-Sylvestre_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat&oldid=277459324 seen in this version] before I removed it. howcheng {chat} 04:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clueing others in to where you were discussing this! I disagree Howcheng's assessment, most especially that of the image of Barthélemy Boganda, the "founding father" of the nation, and an iconic figure in the history of Africa of whom Central Africans are justly very proud. He's been dead since 1959, was politically active only after 1923, and so will be impossible to find a free image of. That his image here is "decorative", especially in a section which discusses him in detail, I something with which I disagree. Even if I am wrong, this is surely a point of debate which should be raised on the talk pages of the articles before the removal, not done unilaterally and -- when called on it -- dismissed with acronym usage.
I also note the sudden upsurge in previously uninterested editors after I called this user on this edit, followed by his immediate reversion. May I suggest that however the community decides on this case, a more politic strategy might be taken in the future? T L Miles (talk)

File:Hoffa faces McClellan Comte 1957.jpg

It seems to me that the image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hoffa_faces_McClellan_Comte_1957.jpg is being used here in a way which conflicts with the policy that "Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts (which is the original market role, and is not allowed per policy)." In this article, the image itself is not being discussed, just the event it depicts.

  • But historical archive press photos are acceptable. Wikipedia's "Unacceptable Non-Free Image" guideline makes this clear (see #6 in the list): "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. This applies mostly to contemporary press photos and not necessarily to historical archives of press photos." (emphasis mine) - Tim1965 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So in that case, change the tag to say so. At the moment the tag itself says that "Use of historic images from press agencies must only be used in a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts", which is clearly not the case here. MJD
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review&oldid=280719393"