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"The" versus "the" when directly quoting a source.[edit]

Doc, great series of edits on The Beatles article, it is greatly improved due to your efforts. I had a question about this edit however, specifically, changing "the Beatles" to "The Beatles" when the source Wiki is quoting (Harry, 2002, p.753) uses "the Beatles". Shouldn't we be accurate to the source, or brackets should be used to indicate we are changing the case of the "t"? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

P.S., If I have an en dash on my keboard where would it be? Thanks, cheers! — GabeMc (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Doc, for the speedy reply, and the advice on finding the en dash. I will defer to you and Tony in this instance, it does make logical sense to me. Thanks for your time, cheers! — GabeMc (talk)

The King[edit]

Hi. I've restored the most important parts of what I'd done to Elvis Presley. I'd seen the discussion at TFA/R and should point out to you that Sandy doesn't know what she's talking about. I scrunched the whitespace as a sop to poor ways of thinking about article load time and edibility. The result was 'smaller'. Alarbus (talk) 11:47, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing question[edit]

Hey Doc, hope you are having a great holiday season. I have a question I think you can answer. I bought a first edition copy of: The Playboy Interviews with John Lennon and Yoko Ono, so I could replace the pageless Sheff 1981 cites in the John Lennon article, as the link appears to be dead now anyway. Here's the question, the book is actually copyrighted to Playboy, not Sheff, and the Library of Congress page at the front of the book actually lists Lennon as the 1st author. Further, while Sheff conducted the interviews, the book was edited by G. Berry Golson. So how should this be cited to, since the interviews were conducted by Sheff, the book was edited by Golson and authored by Lennon? Also, if Lennon is an author, why would Yoko not also be an author?

As of now, the ref section reads like this: Sheff, David; Lennon, John; Ono, Yoko. In: Golson, G. Berry. The Playboy Interviews with John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Playboy; 1981. ISBN 978-0-87223-705-2. But as I said, this does not seem to be accurate. How should the cites look? Thanks, Happy New Year, cheers! — GabeMc (talk) 22:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

My edits on The Clash[edit]

First of all, I am not whining, despite what you may think. It is valid to complain about reverting an entire edit when there are some improvements in it. It may not be your intention, but you are coming off to me as "snotty" right now. I am sorry if this is not your intent, but I would appreciate it if you spoke to me kindly, because all you want to do is complain about me and/or my edits... --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Well done sir! You have had quite a day for the Presley TFA! Wehwalt (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Largest Metropolitan Areas of the United States[edit]

OK, if you insist that both NYC and LA images have the same aspect size (which I think is unwarranted for the simple reason that the NYC skyline is so much bigger and more sprawling), then will you please replace the current NYC image with something more visually appealing? I am quite unhappy that you are insisting or even just OK with leaving a poor quality image for NYC while the L.A. image is appropriately beautiful, just on the basis of an illogical size consideration. I believe that my choice actually made sense. And kindly change the moniker back to New York "City" from "New York", whose primary Wikilink is actually to the New York State article. Thank you. Castncoot (talk) 03:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


The discussion has been opened and can be found at WP:Requests for comment/DocKino Mmyers1976 (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, DocKino. I will have a read over it this evening. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

re: Jaws[edit]

I figured as much. Keep up the good work! Blake Burba (talk) 06:42, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Plot summary is downright sleek--nice job. Blake Burba (talk) 09:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
No hyphen between "pneumatically" and "powered"? (just a query--I defer to your judgment...) Blake Burba (talk) 04:30, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything you need to finish the Jaws copyedit before I nominate it for the FA again? igordebraga 21:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC) Lots of credit for getting your hands dirty on the Jaws article. The JPStalk to me 22:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Thanks a lot for all your help! Is the Legacy section the only part remaining? (was willing to nominate it later today, Dec 30...) 02:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I did most of the latest comments, can you take a look to see what else can be done? igordebraga 14:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

United States[edit]

You can't undo something with adequate references just because you disagree with it. The truth is truth as sad as it is... and I would at the very least like more of an explanation then "misguided". I would like to avoid some crazy edit war so lets talk. You show me yours and I'll show you mine, figuratively speaking of course ;) Cloudblazer (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


There should really be a puppy option too.

Cadiomals (talk) 06:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Ask and ye shall receive: {{Puppy}}! — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 21:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Elvis Presley[edit]

Revert good faith photo addition. The narrative is in the middle of his life here--a memorial is out of place. - Hi Kal, it means exactly the middle of his life - look at the Foto: 1958 - 1960 - and with the Ray Barracks in Friedberg exactly a station of his life. :)--Neptuul (talk) 08:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


February 8[edit]

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For all your work in Jaws (film), which now reads better than ever! You may even add yourself as a co-nominator if you want so! igordebraga 01:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi Dockino,

Re your comment in reverting edits on the Ramones page as follows:-

'Revert. Sorry, but we are not allowing the Influence section to be turned into a sloppy trivia bank.'

Some comments:-

1) When you say we, could you please clarify who it is that you are speaking for on top of yourself? I don't see on there that anyone has stated that they are giving you authority to speak for them

2) Please bear in mind that wikipedia guidlelines state that wikpedia pages are not owned by individuals. Thus you do not own the Ramones page. Agreement on edits on pages in wikipedia are based on consensus rather than one person looking to steamroller there views when there are others making up a majority alternative opinion. There are others who agree that the influence sections needs a tidy up. The tidied up edit I have added is more structured as opposed to the previous version which has no apparent line of structure and just looks amateur and messy.

3) Please refrain from edit warring. As mentioned above, individuals do not own wikipedia pages. Please work with others in a constructive manner rather than edit warring with abrupt, point of view comments that often give no indication of any wikipedia guidelines supporting the view point.

Thank you for any constructive and consensusly agreed work you can bring to wikipedia.

Socheid (talk) 10:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dockino,

This is an attempt at humour on your part surely? The only person who has objected to this change is you. As well as me, there is another person if you go through the hist who has agreed that this section of this page needs to be improved.

The reasons you have given for reverting these edits have been only your point of view and there has been no wikepedia guidelines brought to the table to support your view. At the moment this appears that you think that you own this page and have the right do on here as you wish. Wikipedia states that individuals do not own pages. The reasons put forward by you against the edits I made are poor. The reponse you have given above appears aloof, self important and does not demonstrate any sort of desire or inclination to try to work together with others.

Again, please do not edit war. Socheid (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

PS Please see the update above by IllaZilla (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC), stating that the influences section needs a tidy up.

Hi Dockino,

Interesting reply. So let me get this right. If someone makes an edit, its OK for you to undo it. If someone else undoes your edits, its edit warring?

You may well have some stars added to your history. You also have on there a list of complaints regarding your uncollaborative and dogmatic challenging of other people's work. Further your response above supports the previous comment I added above, namely that your edits are self important and aloof and not geared towards collaborative working. To repeat again, wikipedia guidelines state that no one owns wikipedia pages. You are the only person who has challenged this edit so far despite it being on almost 200 watch lists. Further to repeat again, there has been a comment stating that the influences section needs a tidy up. This means that at present your view is against the consensus so far stated.

I have asked you before and this has been ignored. Please let me ask again. Can you please explain with detail why exactly the edits made are non beneficial? You clearly have a high regard for your abilities, could you please demonstrate how good they are by giving a detailed explanation of why the edit in question is devalueing the section in the article? As stated above, the only change that has been made is to break the content down into three structured sub sections. All of the content and references are exactly as before. However the proposed changes takes away the rambling non structured format, to some degree at least. Regardless of how many stars you have or anything else, you do have any higher authority to allow you to over ride the opinions of others when your view is the minority opinion. Do you honestly believe that you are perfect and nothing you do can be improved upon?

Also could you please explain why my actions have nothing to do with the input of illazilla? Illazilla made a constructive suggestion that one of the sub sections was too small. I have acted upon that and merged a couple of sections together. Its called collaborative working.

Could you please answer the previous question I also asked, namely when you said 'we' in one of your previous talk page updates, who are you speaking for please?

Your repeated undoing of the changes I have attempted to constructively apply with what is currently majority backing represents edit warring on your part.

Socheid (talk) 13:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you don't know me ...[edit]

I've spent quite a while looking through the comments at your RfC/U, and the diffs, and so on, and as I've never interacted with you personally (and also as I just think it's better) I've decided to talk to you here rather than leave or endorse any comments over there. I hope that's OK with you.

I can easily understand the problems that Real Life can cause us, and how it can spill over into WikiLand despite our best intentions. I've found the reverse to be true, as well: WikiStress can affect our ability to deal at our best in Real Life. It can get to be a vicious circle, sometimes. I personally have some health issues (waiting for surgery) which mean I'm in almost constant pain (and regular morphine!) neither of which is really conducive to maintaining a good mood or really thoughtful editing. I'm also full-time carer for a frail, elderly parent with advanced dementia. So, I really do understand what Real Life issues can do to us. I had a really nasty spat on Wikpedia back in December, which I found quite horribly stressful (I almost quit altogether), so I can also appreciate the stress of having the RfC/U going on. You have my sympathy, on both fronts. I'm also an HFA, which can occasionally complicate matters; My interactions with other people don't always go the way I expected!

I wrote an essay on civility, from my own experiences, which I think you might possibly find helpful to read. (Of course, I could be wrong.) You're possibly sick and tired of people talking to you about this subject, but please be assured that my intentions are good, and I mean you nothing but good. I apologise in advance if I'm out of line here; I just thought that maybe a few words from a completely uninvolved editor might help the situation. All the best, Pesky (talk) 08:10, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Project Punk Newsletter: February 2012 (Volume III, Issue I)[edit]

Announcements and news for WikiProject Punk music

February 2012:




  • If you see a picture, article, list list that lives up to the corresponding featured criteria, please nominate it.

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 I thought you might be somewhat interested in this 16:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


Just FYI: I've started the clock on closing the RfC/U about you. There is a request that you respond to one point, but that will not hold it from closing. Thanks, Hasteur (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


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Restructuring at The Beatles[edit]

Did you at least give it a chance? I really think it makes more sense and flows/reads better. — GabeMc (talk) 09:27, 25 February 2012 (UTC) Can you at least give me some reasons why you disagree? I'm sure we could find a middle ground. — GabeMc (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Nicely put[edit]

I don't normally comment on people's edit summaries but I did enjoy the one that accompanied this... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Current/Past Members of the Beatles[edit]

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

  • I think I found a good solution to the template issue, take a look at the proposal now, it might satisfy everyone's concerns. — GabeMc (talk) 06:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits at The Beatles[edit]

Hope you had a great wiki holiday but its good to have you back Doc! I had a couple of questions about your recent series of edits at the Beatles.

1) Here: I changed this because in the OS, there are no spaces between the words and the dash, can we alter the punctuation of the OS without a [sic]? I see now, you fixed the error not caused it here, sorry. — GabeMc (talk) 01:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

2) As far as this quote swap: a) Lewisohn is a better source than Norman, who is a better source than Gladwell, b) the Lewisohn quote is more succint, c) we need to add back Gladwell as a source, as I removed the lower-quality sources used for only a cite or two in the article in favor of the more common and higher quality ones used through out. This trimming of obscure, sometimes out-of-print lower quality sources helped me reduce the overall size of the article by more than 13%. Thus, the article is more easily verified by the average editor/reader now that these older, hard to find, lower-quality sources are not relied upon to source basic information the high-quality sources already address, d) there is already a topical article on this subject, so the detail need not be more than the shorter Lewisohn quote IMO.

3) Here I agree with trimming the "bus incident" details, there is a topical article dedicated to this era as you pointed out, but as far as changing "the" to "The" in the name chronology, well, I am not aware of any consensus to override our sources, and Lewisohn uses "the" throughout.

4) a) You can't do this much in one edit, b) I think you need to build a consensus for this diff anyway, as no one else disliked the edited version as it was TMK, which was better sourced, more succinct and more accurate, c) you introduced numerous errors, you would need to add back the many obscure, out-of-print, and poor quality sources, and d) you can't use rollback for anything but vandalism, and that's essentially what this diff is, a rollback. — GabeMc (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

5) Here, why is an Academy Award not notable enough for the lead when grammys and Ivors are? To a US citizen an Oscar is better than five grammys at least, if not ten. I added it back. — GabeMc (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Greetings Doc[edit]

Having imposed a ban on myself having anything to do with Wikipedia for several months, largely for the good of my health, I've only just seen your request regarding the RfC back in January. Please don't think I ignored this. I am pleased that there have been such positive comments about your edits and I would surely have added to them. Wikipedia is definitely a finer place for you being a part of it. Rikstar409 04:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Paul McCartney FAC[edit]

If you can find the time, I sure could use some help with the prose. Paul McCartney FAC. Thanks. — GabeMc (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Doc! I don't have the eye for prose that you do, so your help would be greatly appreciated! — GabeMc (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I assume you saw the responses on my talk page, but really, just edit it the best you know how. I'm sure if there is anything I disagree with we can either talk about it, or I'll just change it back, lol. Don't worry, I trust your editorial instincts and I know the article could use your skills. I do disagree with your page range edits at The Beatles though, my reasoning is that to save one digit, you introduce much more room for error. 191-195 is clear, but 191-95 could be an error for 195, 95; or 195, 295, etectera. Just my opinion. — GabeMc (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Beatles edit war?[edit]

When you have time, I think your input would be helpful here. — GabeMc (talk) 02:15, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Paul McCartney[edit]

Sorry about that. You're right but I'd too trigger happy for my own good sometimes. Britmax (talk) 07:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

ANI Notice[edit]

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DNR notice[edit]

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

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Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion[edit]

Hello, DocKino. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ~ GabeMc (talk) 09:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Sex Pistols GSTQ Promo.jpg up for deletion at commons[edit]

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Hi DocKino, i received this notice on my talkpage at Wikimedia Commons. Seeing as you uploaded the picture, i though you ought to know. benzband (talk) 11:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Last revert[edit]

The last revert which you have made on Elvis Presley's page, i think i agree but, still such name should be added somewhere on the page, like they have been added on the pages of Stevie Wonder, Little Richard, Michael Jackson and so on, people go ask on internet "Who Elvis has influenced except beatles, dylan" as we have put only such influences on Elvis's page. That's what the point is. Clarificationgiven (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Doc. I just wanted to let you know that there is a discussion here to which you may be interested in contributing. Thanks! Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 02:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

The Beatles DRN thread[edit]

Hi DocKino. I closed the DRN thread about The Beatles which you were involved in, because it was inactive for almost two weeks. If you want to carry on with dispute resolution after you come back to editing, just leave a note on my talk page and I'll reopen the dispute resolution thread for you. (Or you could just file a new case, or un-archive the old case, if you prefer - it's up to you.) You are very much encouraged to use the noticeboard again if you think it would help. And if you have any questions about any of this, just ask. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius on tour (have a chat) 05:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Change to Presley article[edit]

Hi. I recently made a change to Elvis Presley that I think I should run by you, being one of the article's main contributors, here. I made the edit before proposing it b/c I thought showing it would get my proposal across better. Dan56 (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Ffd Discussion[edit]

An image I added to Jaws after your suggestion is on a deletion discussion, can you offer an insight? igordebraga 04:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

The Winter Walk at Anglesey Abbey - - 862583.jpg Best wishes for the New Year!
Here's wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!

Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate this year, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year.

Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, thanks to many dedicated Wikipedians!

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Main page appearance: Tender Mercies[edit]

This is a note to let the main editors of Tender Mercies know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on March 19, 2013. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 19, 2013. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegates Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you can change it—following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Tender Mercies is a 1983 American drama film. Robert Duvall plays Mac Sledge, a recovering alcoholic country music singer who seeks to turn his life around through his relationship with a young widow and her son in rural Texas. Duvall, who sang his own songs in the film, drove more than 600 miles (966 km) throughout the state, tape recording local accents and playing in country music bands to prepare for the role. He and director Bruce Beresford repeatedly clashed during production, at one point prompting Beresford to walk off the set and reportedly consider quitting. Themes include the importance of love and family, the possibility of spiritual resurrection amid death, and the concept of redemption through Mac Sledge's conversion to Christianity. Following poor test screening results, distributor Universal Pictures made little effort to publicize Tender Mercies, which Duvall attributed to the studio's lack of understanding of country music. Although unsuccessful at the box office, it was critically acclaimed and earned five Academy Award nominations, including one for Best Picture. Tender Mercies won Oscars for Best Original Screenplay for Horton Foote and Best Actor for Duvall. (Full article...)

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Hi- you gave me good advice a couple of years back, about the placement of images. Can you kind of help mentor me regarding them and other issues? I've uploaded over 2,000 photos to Wikimedia Commons, and placed them but there are always new things to learn! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Million Award[edit]

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For your contributions to bring Elvis Presley (estimated annual readership: 4,174,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

The Million Award is a new initiative to recognize the editors of Wikipedia's most-read content; you can read more about the award and its possible tiers (Quarter Million Award, Half Million Award, and Million Award) at Wikipedia:Million Award. You're also welcome to display this userbox:

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If I've made any error in this listing, please don't hesitate to correct it; if for any reason you don't feel you deserve it, please don't hesitate to remove it; if you know of any other editor who merits one of these awards, please don't hesitate to give it; if you yourself deserve another award from any of the three tiers, please don't hesitate to take it! Cheers and all best, -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I forgot I owe you one for this, too:
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Thanks again for all you do!-- Khazar2 (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Template talk:Non-free review[edit]

An RfC about the use of the {{fairusereview}} tag on mainspace pages is in progress here. From 2005 until recently, this template was added to file pages when the non-free status of the file was being discussed. In May this year it was edited so that it could be added to articles. The RfC question is: "Should the template be reverted to the pre-May 2013 version, and retained only for use on file pages?"

Since you are a registered member of the Fair Use WikiProject, you might have an interest in this discussion.Tom Reedy (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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