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Former featured articleMadonna is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Good articleMadonna has been listed as one of the good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 19, 2004Refreshing brilliant proseKept
February 28, 2005Featured article reviewDemoted
January 14, 2008Good article nomineeListed
March 23, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
June 13, 2008Good article reassessmentKept
June 23, 2008Good article reassessmentKept
Current status: Former featured article, current good article

Derek Jeter

Anyone have information about her Derek Jeter, which is speculated to have lead to her divorce with Guy Richie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.8.152 (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. She was speculated to have been with Alex Rodriguez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.151.26 (talk) 09:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her Birth Name is Maria Louise Ciccone- not Madonna

Madonnalynn (talk) 14:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We know, Madonna was chosen per a thread higher up. — R2 19:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, her birth name is, Madonna. "Maria" was made up by the Italian press. Madonna's mother's name is also Madonna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.161.238 (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this necessary?

"In late 1990, Madonna dated Tony Ward,[187] a bisexual model and porn star who starred in her music videos for "Cherish" (1989) and "Justify My Love" (1990). "

Why is it necessary to say that Tony Ward is bisexual? So what? Any mention about his sexuality should appear in his article and not Madonna's.--217.203.153.152 (talk) 00:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, I removed it. — R2 00:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Roman Catholics

If she follows Kabbalah she shouldn't be listed as Roman Catholic but Jewish. 86.29.230.97 (talk) 20:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An interest in Kabbalah doesn't mean she has converted to Judaism. The article can't identify her as Jewish without a source indicating that she has officially converted. Ward3001 (talk) 20:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you'll find Kabbalah is a Jewish religion, I converted myself 20 years ago and would hate to be "labeled" as anything else. Madonna is more than interested in Kabbalah - it's her chosen faith. Many thanks 86.29.238.180 (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter what you did. The article is about Madonna. And there is no source cited that states she converted to anything. Studying something is not equivalent to converting. Please read WP:V; we can't put something in the article without a reliable source that confirms it. And read WP:NOR and WP:NPOV; we can't put something in an article just because it's your opinion. This is not a blog or your personal webpage; it's an encyclopedia. Ward3001 (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my goodness, my post was made in good faith; I was trying to be friendly. There was no need to be so rude, I only asked a question. 86.29.238.216 (talk) 20:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was stating facts, not being rude. And after the necessity for proper sourcing has already been explained once, you're pushing the matter by continuing to question why it can't be added. Did you bother to read the links to Wikipedia policies? Ward3001 (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tours

It should mention that she appeared in Long Island on March 12, 2009 to perfrom with Britney Spears in her The Circus Starring: Britney Spears tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.95.132 (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's really not important, much better in the article dedicated to the tour. Best. — R2 01:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Singer Versus Recording Artist

I looked into Wikipedia's definitions of singer and recording artist and Madonna definitely fits into the singer category even moreso than the recording artist category since she actually vocalizes (not just record music).

Technically speaking, just like Geri Halliwell, Kelly Osbourne, Ashlee Simpson and all the others most-hated vocalists, Madonna is a singer.

Madonna co-wrote most of her songs and wrote most of her lyrics. Singer-songwriter is definitely more appropriate than just recording artist for the intro of the article.

Just because many only see her as some marketing doll, negate her vocal talent and dismiss the fact she co-wrote most of her songs (and wrote most of her lyrics) doesn't mean the article should reflect that.

I know I'm gonna be called a fan that only wants to glamorize her but everything I just wrote is true. Singer-songwriter is more appropriate and justified. Insisting on negating that is what's fanatical in my book... Singer-songwriter is more just, true and broad. Recording artist is very much restrictive. Israell (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead does not have to contain everything about her. More details are given in the infobox and in the remainder of the article. I wouldn't have a problem with "singer" instead of "recording artist", but I think she is known more for the songs she recorded, her live peformances, and her acting. I realize she has written some of her music, but I don't believe that's her greatest claim to fame. And I really don't think the article reflects her to be a "marketing doll" at the expense of her true talents. In fact, her ability to market herself and repeatedly re-invent herself is one reason for her longevity in a business that is quick to dismiss someone after a short time in the spotlight. Ward3001 (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda spearheaded the use of "recording artist" in most article because its a broad term, and much more encompassing that "singer" or "singer-songwriter". Most superstars like Madonna sing, song write, and produce, amongst other talents, but shoving all that info into the lead sentence makes it look cluttered (hence a broad label like recording artist). The infobox specifies all she does, so its not as if we're ignoring all her vocations. Secondly, singer-songwriter typically indicates someone who writes, composes and sings all or most of their own material (like imogen heap). Madonna has always had someone co-write/compose her songs, in which case she is referred to as a singer and songwriter as opposed to the more specific singer-songwriter. Featured articles such as Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson and Gwen Stefani currently use the term "recording artist" with "singer/songwriter" in the occupation section of the infobox. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 19:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Madonna's documentary about Malawi - I Am Because We Are

In 2008, Madonna's documentary about children in Malawi was released. It is entitled I Am Because We Are and was produced by Angela Becker and directed by Nathan Rissman. The production company was Debutante, Inc.

Official Description: In Malawi, a country of 12 million people, so many children without parents has caused irreparable damage. This film attempts to explore what is going on in the heads and hearts of these orphans, and what the future holds for them. Follow real-life stories of children and the parents who have died, and explore all sides of the dilemma, from the responsibility to the victim mentality. Narrated by Madonna with interviews with Bill Clinton and Desmond Tutu.

The full-length documentary can be watched online for free at hulu: http://www.hulu.com/i-am-because-we-are.

Ivkaadam (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New adoption

Will the latest on Madonna adopting a little girl from Malawi be added? It's too easy for me to do it. It was on NBC and the AP wire, not just the tabloids. FotoPhest (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best let things play out, and see what, if anything, actually happens. — R2 15:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, she lost the bid to adopt the little girl. So it's probably okay to go in now. It's a good enough source. Sky83 (talk) 09:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it can go in, though I am supprised there is nothing in the article as of now, it is highly unusual. Sephiroth storm (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's good that editors have shown restraint for once. We are an encyclopedia after all, not a news agency. It only needs one sentence. "In March 2009, Madonna applied to adopt a second child from Malawi, the application was declined by a national Judge". — R2 15:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

Hi everybody. As we all know this article was a former featured article but was demoted due to various reasons. I hereby ask of willing editors to reflect upon what can be done to improve and shorten this article and bring it up to FA again. The page is 97KB long, thats more than double of whats allowable and it is extremely cluttered with images and samples and junks. So please leave your suggestions. --Legolas (talktome) 09:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not too long, the 97 KB figure includes referencing. You only need to worry about readable prose. The article can and should be expanded further. References need better formatting and the prose need cleaning up. — R2 10:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So you suggesting that after cleanup of the prose and maybe a peer review, we can nominate the article again for FAC? --Legolas (talktome) 10:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And check the references, make sure they are all reliable, working and formatted correctly. Then a peer review, then FAC. — R2 11:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll do my best. --Legolas (talktome) 11:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm good with references, so I can do some of that too, replacing bad sources with fact tags etc and formatting. — R2 11:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

children's book author

Madonna is an author of a successful illustrated children's book series (amazon link) that shares the values of kabbalah with children, and whose profits go to the Children's Kabbalah Centre. This is a significant part of her life that has not been included in the article.

DragonNoodleDelivery (talk) 17:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pope advises Catholics, not Italians

Several refeerences to the Pope "advising Italians" of anything are innaccurate: The Pope does not advise Italians to do anything: The Pope advises _Catholics_ as to whether they should see a show or whatnot. At least one cited reference states this though for some reason it was changed to Italians. In fact, the Pope at the time was not even Italian, he was Polish.

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