Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Proposed decision

After considering /Evidence and discussing proposals with other Arbitrators, parties and others at /Workshop, Arbitrators may place proposals which are ready for voting here. Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain. Only items that receive a majority "support" vote will be passed. Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator before or after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that she/he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were passed. Only Arbitrators or Clerks should edit this page; non-Arbitrators may comment on the talk page.

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Proposed motions

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1) {text of proposed motion}

Support:

Oppose:

Abstain:

Proposed temporary injunctions

A temporary injunction is a directive from the Arbitration Committee that parties to the case, or other editors notified of the injunction, do or refrain from doing something while the case is pending.

Four net "support" votes needed to pass (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first vote is normally the fastest an injunction will be imposed.

Disputed article movement/renaming injunction

1) No Macedonia-related article, broadly defined, shall be moved/renamed until after the "Macedonia 2" case closes. If it does occur, any uninvolved administrator can expeditiously revert it. After the case closes, Macedonia-related moves/renames can occur as prescribed in the final decision.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
2. Noting here that ArbCom won't say what the name(s) should be, but that we will almost certainly be laying out a framework, or urging that a framework be set up, for achieving a lasting resolution to this issue (or at least for a set period to allow editing energies to be productively channelled elsewhere for that period). Discussions on how to resolve this should still continue, but no moving or renaming (with obvious exceptions such as typos on newly-created articles). Carcharoth (talk) 11:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
3. With minor copy-edit.  Roger Davies ^talk 11:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
4. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 11:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
5. Since there is a delay in opening the case, this proposal seems sensible as there was likely to be a similar injunction proposed soon after the case opened. FloNight♥♥♥ 13:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

   We can just move this to the injunction, no need to revote. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

   Yes, there will be no need for another vote. This motion covers the situations. We are doing it this way instead of an injunction because of the delay. FloNight♥♥♥ 13:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

6. Wizardman 14:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
7. Risker (talk) 14:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
8. Sam Blacketer (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
9. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
10. FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 11:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Passed 10 to 0 at 09:18, 19 April 2009.

Amendment to motion 1

2) Motion 1 above is amended to include prohibiting edits that change how Macedonia is referred to within those articles.

Support:

1. In order to reduce the drama. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
2. That includes "incorrect" entries. --Vassyana (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 01:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. This is overly broad and would prohibit even edits necessary to preserve factual accuracy. I also share the concerns raised by the abstainers. I would prefer to move toward finalizing our decision on the merits of the case rather than expand the temporary injunction. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. This strikes me as going a bit too far in the direction of content management rather than behavioural management; I am willing to be persuaded, but haven't seen sufficient evidence to support at this stage. Risker (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

   I am very sympathetic to this concern. I would agree with an alternative measure encouraging administrators and the community to nip any brewing edit war over such a conflict in the bud with topic bans and blocks. (I would even indicate my preference for such a measure over this one.) Would you be more supportive of something along those lines? Regardless, I do feel the area needs some increased management going forward. This is bound to be a large case with numerous parties that will take a fair bit of time to resolve. I would like to see a stop-gap to prevent disruption involving this limited issue. --Vassyana (talk) 22:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

2. I think the first motion is needed because pagemoves are especially troublesome, and they usually set of updates to other articles to reflect the new page name. However I dont think we need to put strong limits on editing. It should be suffice to say that disruptive edits in this topical area will be become evidence in this case, and recent evidence usually results in strong remedies. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 10:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Arbitrators:

• If this motion is passed, enforcement needs to be discussed. I don't want to see half the potential participants to the ArbCom case blocked by admins who are also participating at the ArbCom case because the editors in question have been edit warring over wording in the articles while the case is in progress. Uninvolved admins are needed to deal with this. I have noted the evidence that such changes are indeed taking place, so I suggest the examples in question are presented as evidence in the case. Crucially, the editors who are making such changes need to be told to stop and explain their changes at the arbitration case. If the motion is amended to make such enforcement explicit, I will support it. Carcharoth (talk) 08:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
• I'm wary of making this an absolute requirement because the current arrangement of articles is complicated. Suppose someone writing articles about sports contestants writes one about a sportsman from the region of Greece known as Macedonia. They write it as "from Macedonia, Greece". This is the wrong link but if this motion was passed, editors would be prohibited from piping it to the right link. Sam Blacketer (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

Purpose of Wikipedia

1) The purpose of Wikipedia is to create a high-quality, free-content encyclopedia in an atmosphere of camaraderie and mutual respect among contributors. Contributors whose actions are detrimental to that goal may be asked to refrain from them, even when these actions are undertaken in good faith; and good faith actions, where disruptive, may still be sanctioned. Use of the site for other purposes—including, but not limited to, advocacy, propaganda, furtherance of outside conflicts, and political or ideological struggle—is prohibited.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Removed repeated two sentences. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Might use some minor copyediting, as "other purposes" in the third sentence is now separated from the "purpose" defined in the first sentence, but a quick fix is not coming to me. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Etiquette

2) Wikipedia's code of conduct is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia that all editors should adhere to. Wikipedia users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their interactions with other users, to keep their cool when editing, and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Administrators are expected to adhere to this at a higher standard. Unseemly conduct—including, but not limited to, edit-warring, personal attacks, lack of respect for other editors, failure to work towards consensus, disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, offensive language (including rude, offensive, derogratory, and insulting terms—whether English, a language other than English, or using invented terms), trolling, harassment, gaming the system, and failure to assume good faith are all inconsistent with Wikipedia etiquette. Users should not respond to such behavior in kind; concerns regarding the actions of other users should be brought up in the appropriate forums.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Could stand to be copyedited further. It would be useful, incidentally, to have a clearer and more succinct "code of conduct" available to provide an overview of the various conduct-related policies for new users. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Made minor copyedits. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Wikipedia's governance

3) Wikipedia is governed by its internal editorial policies, not by the conventions of any external agency. Wikipedia is not subordinate to the points of view of any state, international organization or group (although it is bound by certain applicable laws of the United States and states of Florida and California), and their views or conventions do not dictate Wikipedia's editorial approach to an issue (other than as directed by Foundation policies concerning legal issues).

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
7. With the tempering note that our editorial policies are often informed by external agencies (in particular, normative standards may affect or guide certain editorial choices). — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Per Coren. We should not be swayed by external agencies, but we should not ignore them either. Carcharoth (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. I understand the point being made here, but this case primarily concerns content disputes (naming issues are a species of content dispute), not project governance. In addition, while the views or conventions of governments do not "dictate" Wikipedia's approach to any issue, the names that states apply to themselves and one another are an important factor to be weighed in community discussion of naming issues, pursuant to the relevant naming conventions. It is quite true that they do not "dictate" the resolution of any issue, but we should not risk implying that they may not be considered at all. Finally, Foundation policies that we are bound to follow as referenced in the last sentence extend beyond merely implementing existing legal requirements. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   I think the intent here was to say that "Wikipedia's content is governed by its internal editorial policies". Carcharoth (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

2. This wording has an aggressive tone that I don't think is desirable, and per Carcharoth's comment to Brad, it would be better to be clear that we're talking about content. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Consensus

4) Wikipedia relies on a consensus model. When there is a good-faith dispute, editors are expected to participate in the consensus-building process, in lieu of soapboxing, edit warring, or other inappropriate behavior. Abuse of the consensus model and process, such as misrepresenting consensus or poisoning the well, is disruptive.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Consensus can change

5) Consensus is not immutable. It is reasonable, and sometimes necessary, for both individual editors and particularly the community as a whole to change its mind. Long-held consensus cannot be used as an excuse against a change that follows Wikipedia's policies.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Consensus can change, so no decision is immutable; but consensus does not change overnight, so constantly and excessively pressuring against a consensus decision can be disruptive. Judging when the time is premature to renew discussion of a previously contentious but currently dormant issue, versus when the issue has become ripe for reexamination, is one of the more sensitive tasks Wikipedians face. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. It is also important to remember that this, in no way, encourages or endorses repeatedly raising the same issue in order to get one's chosen result by chance of who happens to have participated. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Per Coren and Brad. As an editor, I would support moratoriams being laid down to restrict discussions of such issues to set periods (such as 2 years). In between those times, people should focus their energies on improving articles. Carcharoth (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. Per Brad. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Administrator standards

6) Administrators are trusted members of the community, who are expected to follow Wikipedia policies and are held to a high standard of conduct. They are expected to pursue their duties to the best of their abilities. Occasional mistakes are entirely compatible with this; administrators are not expected to be perfect. However, consistently or egregiously poor judgment may result in the removal of administrator status.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. There should be a principle around here that administrators are not indispensable. Keeping admins active in certain areas despite other failings does a dis-service to the project. All admins should be able to step back and participate as editors if need be. And other admins should not shy away from helping out or asking for more admins to help. Carcharoth (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Disruption by administrators

7) Sustained disruption of Wikipedia is incompatible with the status of administrator. Administrators who repeatedly and aggressively engage in inappropriate activity may be desysopped by the Arbitration Committee.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Note that I have started but have not yet completed my review of the evidence in this case. My support for a principle in the abstract should not be read as indicated that I have yet determined that it will (or will not) come into play in this specific case. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Use of administrator tools in a dispute

8) Administrator actions pertaining to enforcing Wikipedia's conduct policies, such as the sockpuppetry policy, the biographies of living persons policy, the vandalism policy, the civility policy, and WP:BATTLE, do not make an editor involved in a topic. Administrators are not empowered to enforce content policies such as the neutral point of view policy and the verifiability policy by using administrative tools. Administrator tools may not be used to further the administrator's own position in a content dispute. Administrators who are unsure whether they should take an action should defer that action to an uninvolved administrator.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
4.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Blocking can be done according to WP:BLOCK. However, editing of an article to restore NPOV should be left to editors. If there are no editors around to do this, then Wikipedia has more fundamental problems than can be solved by consideration of WP:INVOLVED. Admins can take their admin hats off and get involved in discussing and editing an article to help guide it to NPOV, but if they do so they should be careful when contemplating later admin actions, and they should consider whether they had taken admin actions in the past in relation to the article. Ancient actions may possibly be OK, but full disclosure should be given on the relevant talk pages. Carcharoth (talk) 17:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
6. I added the names of the policies instead of using shortcuts. Jargon should be avoided in the text of our decisions, they need to be understandable by everyone. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. The second sentence is overstated. Administrators frequently, and properly, block editors for severe and sustained POV editing that continues after warning. That is a use of admin tools to enforce the NPOV policy. Additionally, as a matter of editing, the last sentence might want to clarify the meaning of "unsure whether they should take an action," to make clear the reference is to uncertainty based on potentially "involved" status, not just that a particular decision is a borderline call. Also made some minor copyedits. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   We block users and protect pages for problematic editor conduct, not for pushing a particular point of view. For example, if an editor repeatedly edit warred to return an article to the NPOV by reverting a fringe pov, they will get blocked. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

   Or persisting with such editing against a consensus that they should stop. If you're right Brad, then the admins doing this need to stop. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Administrators may (and, indeed, are expected to) help enforce all our policies, this includes NPOV. There is an important distinction to be made between enforcing NPOV and using tools in a content dispute which this proposal does not make. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Yeah, I can see NYB's point with 2nd sentence, and I can also see why the sentence was included as well. Maybe a reword? Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I don't mind this, but would definitely prefer a reword. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Involved administrators

9) In several recent instances, administrators involved in disputes have taken sysop actions relating to that dispute and then referred the actions typically to either the administrators' noticeboard or the incidents noticeboard for endorsement or review. This does not comply with policy. In such circumstances, the 'involved' administrator should not take the action but should instead report the issue to the noticeboard, perhaps with a suggestion for appropriate action, to be dealt with by an uninvolved administrator. In limited circumstances, such as blatant vandalism or bad-faith harassment, an involved administrator may act, but such exceptions are likely to be rare.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. There is nothing wrong with an administrator who is unsure about whether he or she took the right action raising the matter on a noticeboard for review. The point here is that an administrator who is involved in a dispute, and thinks an admin action (especially a block) is needed, should raise the matter on the noticeboard in the first instance, rather than act despite his or her involvement and post to the noticeboard after the fact. As the last sentence observes, common-sense exceptions may be made for emergency and blatant situations. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Per NYB, who sums it up well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. With the caveat that there are rare cases where involvement should not prevent immediate action (egregious vandalism, for instance, or blatant and severe BLP violations). Normal or "routine" administrative action, however, cannot qualify. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. Per Brad. Asking for review doesn't 'save' an otherwise bad action. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Administrator communications

10) Administrators are required to explain their actions. When an administrator takes an action that is likely to be controversial or to raise questions, he or she should explain the action in advance or at the time, in a location that the affected editors are likely to see, so that they will understand what has been done and why.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Proper communication is an absolute requirement for administrative acts. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Controversial should not be confused with involved. If involved, don't take action. If controversial, explain the action. If controversial and involved, well, the answer should be obvious. Carcharoth (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Recidivism

11) Users who have been sanctioned for improper conduct are expected to avoid repeating it should they continue to participate in the project. Failure to do so may lead to the imposition of increasingly severe sanctions.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Note that I have started but have not yet completed my review of the evidence in this case. My support for a principle in the abstract should not be read as indicated that I have yet determined that it will (or will not) come into play in this specific case. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Edit wars considered harmful

12) Edit-warring is harmful. When disagreements arise, users are expected to discuss their differences rationally rather than reverting ad infinitum. Revert rules should not be construed as an entitlement or inalienable right to revert, nor do they endorse reverts as an editing technique.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Neutral point of view

13) Wikipedia:Neutral point of view states "Where proper nouns such as names are concerned, disputes may arise over whether a particular name should be used. Wikipedia takes a descriptive rather than prescriptive approach in such cases, by using the common English language name as found in verifiable reliable sources."

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Although, as will be addressed in the fact findings, application of this principle must be a bit more nuanced than usual in this case, because in the case of this particular dispute, there are instances in which use of the most common name would be objectively (not merely subjectively) incorrect in particular contexts. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Neutral point of view 2

14) Article content must be presented from a neutral point of view. Where different scholarly viewpoints exist on a topic, those views enjoying a reasonable degree of support should be reflected in article content. An article should fairly represent the weight of authority for each such view, and should not give undue weight to views held by a relatively small minority of commentators or scholars.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Tendentious editing

15) Users who disrupt the editing of articles by engaging in sustained aggressive point-of-view editing may be banned from the affected articles. In extreme cases they may be banned from the site.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Compare my oppose vote on proposed principle 8. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   There's no conflict between that proposal and this one. This particular conduct issue simply has a non-conduct aspect to it that needs consideration by editors before there is scope for administrator action. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Yes, but admins are not always best placed to make these decisions. Sometimes the community of editors are better placed to resolve this by discussing someone's edits and topic banning them, and having that decision endorsed and enacted by an admin. Carcharoth (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Naming Conventions

16) Wikipedia:Naming conventions states: "Generally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize." Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject." Wikipedia does not take any position on whether a particular person, group or nation has the right to use a particular name, particularly the name it uses for itself (a self-identifying name). Articles should report the objective fact that such names are used; if another nation or group disputes the right to use that name, then information about that dispute (if it is notable) should also be given in the appropriate place. Bear in mind that Wikipedia is descriptive, not prescriptive. Wikipedia:Naming conventions also deprecates the use of full formal names in article titles.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Subject to my comment in proposed principle 13. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Names can be complex things sometimes. Carcharoth (talk) 00:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. Although of course specific conventions can be developed for particular topic areas. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Naming disputes

17) Protracted naming disputes are not a highly productive form of encyclopedia building and should be avoided if at all possible. Effort spent on actually improving articles as opposed to engaging in disputes over their names is highly encouraged.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Made some copyedits. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. In particular when that naming dispute itself is part of a larger conflict of points of view; dispute over the name is ipso facto a POV dispute. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 00:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Disambiguation

18) The purpose of disambiguation, as defined by Wikipedia:Disambiguation (WP:DAB), is to resolve "conflicts in Wikipedia article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article." For primary topics, "When there is a well-known primary topic for an ambiguous term, name or phrase ... then that term or phrase should either be used for the title of the article on that topic or redirect to that article." The guideline goes on to state: "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic, and that the disambiguation page should be located at the plain title with no "(disambiguation)"." Disambiguation is not a means of promoting, endorsing or rejecting the point of view of any party or parties to a naming or other dispute.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Made some copyedits, particularly last sentence. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Wikipedia should proceed on the principle of "least surprise". That is, when a reader types a name, the article or page reached should be the one that is least surprising to the greatest number of readers. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Deciding when there is no primary topic is tricky, but key to some disputes. Sometimes surprise is unavoidable. Carcharoth (talk) 00:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. I've always considered Mercury an excellent example of the approach to disambiguation. The element, the planet, and to a lesser extent the figure from mythology, are all highly prominent and recognisable topics within their own particular context. But there is no way to guess the context a reader has in mind when typing in "Mercury", and no other obvious way to distinguish a 'primary' topic among them, so Mercury is reserved as a disambiguation page. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Wikilawyering and stonewalling

19) Excessive formalistic and legalistic argument over policies and stonewalling, which ignores the spirit of those policies and serves to obstruct consensus-building processes or cover up an agenda of POV-pushing, is harmful to the project and may be met with sanctions.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
7. In all cases, the spirit beats the letter. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
8. This cuts both ways. Stonewalling can be resorted to after a BOLD move as well as before. Carcharoth (talk) 00:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Spirit v letter is an accepted principle, we already have wording to express it, and it could certainly be proposed in this case too. Conversely this is a badly worded and/or poorly understood piece of behavioural guideline. It's basis is that editing contrary to consensus is disruptive, which, as a piece of policy, has long been accepted and enforced. In practice it gets twisted into service to push down on people with unpopular opinions. I would rather not conflate the two like this. Into the mix is also thrown obstructing consensus-building. These ideas would be better addressed separately. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. I think I want to give this formulation some more thought. I may propose an alternative. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Outing

20) Per WP:Outing, outing has not occurred if an editor has previously voluntarily self-identified his or her country, language, nationality, or other personal information. Subsequent posting of that information by other users does not constitute outing. If a user has redacted that information, their wishes should be respected.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. With emphasis on the last sentence. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Agree that it is not courteous and collegial to disclose information that is redacted, but it is not outing to repeat what is commonly known. We should not encourage users to think that they can use account names that are similar to their real name or linked to their identity and it will not be known and discussed. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
5.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
6. I think it should be made clear that, while downright rude (and possibly incivil by Wikipedia standards), repeating information voluntarily disclosed by another editor cannot be construed as "outing" in any reasonable reading of that term. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Per Wizardman. Last sentence is important. Carcharoth (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Per Flo and Coren. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Gratuitous reference to a user's real-life identity should be avoided, unless the user routinely discloses that information, even if he or she has mentioned the information previously or it is possible to connect publicly available breadcrumbs that lead to the information. "Outing" or gratuitous publicization of users' names, addresses, etc. which they have chosen not to disclose is considered a serious breach of Wikipedia norms. References to general information that does not personally identify a user, such as his or her nationality, do not raise the same types of concerns such as fears of real-life harassment or retaliation as unwanted disclosures of identifying information. Unnecessary reference to these characteristics should still be avoided, because for example they can be read or misread as ethnic stereotypes or suggestions that the quality of an edit is related to the personal background of the editor. However, there may be some limited occasions on which mention of a user's nationality or linguistic background may be appropriate. I believe it may lead to confusion to use the severely condemnatory term "outing" to refer to disclosure of this type of non-identifying information, and WP:OUTING does not do so. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. need to think on this one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Collective behavior of blocs of editors

21) It is potentially harmful to Wikipedia when editorial debates become strongly associated with real-world political polarizations and when they become dominated by groups of editors lined up along political lines due to shared national backgrounds. This is particularly harmful when such editors act in concert to systematically advocate editorial decisions considered favorable to their shared political views that contravene the application of Wikipedia policy or obstruct consensus-building. Mere strength of numbers is not sufficient to contravene Wikipedia policy. Defending editorial positions that support political preferences typical of a particular national background is not ipso facto evidence of bad-faith editing.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Some transition words might help clarify the relationship among the various ideas in the paragraph. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Carcharoth (talk) 01:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. This needs to be split; I see two distinct principles here that do not overlap neatly. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Controversial pagemoves

22) Controversial pagemoves should be discussed first on pertinent talk pages to reach a consensus or be handled at WP:Requested moves. Protracted disputes should be handled in accordance with #Stalemate resolution.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   Contingent on #Stalemate resolution passing. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. The "principles" in a decision should generally consist of statements of existing Wikipedia policies or norms, or background facts relating to the project as a whole outside the scope of a particular dispute. These may be drawn from prior arbitration decisions, policy or guideline pages, the norms of conduct followed by good-faith editors, or occasionally arbitrators' extrapolations of best practice based upon their collective experience drawn from their years of editing Wikipedia. The "principles" section is usually not the appropriate place to introduce a new policy mechanism that is being proposed in the remedies portion of the very same decision. In addition, as Kirill implies, doing so introduces a certain element of circularity into the decision. (Also changed "moves" to "pagemoves" in the title and text, for clarity.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Per Brad. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 12:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Per NYB. Wizardman 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Per Brad.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
5. This might work as a remedy. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Per the above. The principle here should be something like "the most protracted of naming disputes may not be suitable for being handled through requested moves". Then pick up that train of thought in the stalemate remedy. Technically, stalemate over disambiguation should default to the page being a disambiguation page. The crux is whether the stalemate is genuine (reflecting real-word uncertainty) or whether it is a manufactured stalemate. Carcharoth (talk) 01:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Prefer #22.1. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Does start to veer into remedy territory? Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Controversial page moves

22.1) Any page move that is or is likely to be controversial should be discussed beforehand on the page's talk page, and/or at any other pertinent location. The methods outlined at Wikipedia:Requested moves represent a best practice approach for such circumstances.

Support:

1. Proposed as alternative to #22. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
2. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Request for comment/User conduct

23) A user-conduct request for comment ("RfC/U") represents a forum in which editors may raise concerns about the conduct of a fellow editor or administrator. Although this procedure can be misused, when utilized in good faith, it presents an editor with the opportunity to learn that concerns exist about his or her conduct, respond to the concerns, and if appropriate adjust his or her conduct. Civility and decorum are especially important in the highly charged atmosphere of a user-conduct RfC. RfCs should not be used abusively, nor should the concerns raised in an RfC be ignored.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Copyedited last sentence. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Sanctions and circumstances

24) In deciding what sanctions to impose against an administrator or other editor, the Arbitration Committee will consider the editor's overall record of participation, behavioral history, and other relevant circumstances. An editor's positive and valuable contributions in one aspect of his or her participation on Wikipedia do not excuse misbehavior or questionable judgment in another aspect of participation, but may be considered in determining the sanction to be imposed.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Nothing to do with earning "misbehaviour points", and everything to do with "targeted remedies". Carcharoth (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
9. As I said here, this should not be misconstrued. Past conduct will be relevant where it informs us on the prospects for the success of various types of remedies. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Oppose on principle; I never believed you can "earn" misbehavior allowances in one part of the encyclopedia to be "spent" elsewhere, and I think the very concept is poisonous. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Single purpose accounts

25) Single purpose accounts are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their focus on one topic is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Although it might be better if we changed "their focus on one topic is non-neutral" to something like "they are unable or unwilling to edit on their chosen topic from a neutral point of view" or something of that nature. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. This places too much of a burden on editors who may only wish to contribute on one or a few topics. New editors in particular should be given time to diversify, but even those editors who never move beyond a narrow focus of topics should be treated as any other editor. It is the quality and reasonableness of their contributions that matter, not whether they are a single-purpose account. Also agree with Brad's suggested change. The word "neutrally" is too often misinterpreted to mean "in the middle" between two sides, when that is not what NPOV means. Putting aside the Wikipedia jargon, we expect all editors to contribute without bias and to work towards a good quality and balanced encyclopedia article, rather than promoting an agenda or particular viewpoint. I would also state, in the strongest possible terms, that all accounts are expected to contribute lke this, not just those considered to be single-purpose accounts. Holding new editors and SPAs to a higher standard than other (longer-established) accounts is not acceptable. All editors should be held to the same high standards, with new accounts given time to learn how Wikiepdia works. If an SPA shows signs of understanding how Wikipedia works, then they should absolutely be encouraged to diversify and build up a track record in a less controversial area. Carcharoth (talk) 10:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Per Carcharoth, and per Brad. Everyone is expected to edit in accordance with the NPOV policy, regardless of how diverse or confined their editing interests are. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Meatpuppetry

26) The recruitment of editors for the purpose of influencing a survey, performing reverts, or otherwise attempting to give the appearance of consensus is strongly discouraged.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Although recruiting new editors for the purpose of editing—adding good content to Wikipedia—should never be discouraged; we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 10:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Canvassing

27) Excessive cross-posting, campaigning, votestacking, stealth canvassing, and forum shopping are inappropriate forms of canvassing.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 02:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. This is a reasonable summary of our guideline against canvassing, so I can support it. I have long been concerned, however, that our norms against canvassing are sometimes too readily invoked or applied in a mechanical fashion, without regard to the purposes served by the guideline. Every time that one Wikipedian draws the attention of a second to an ongoing discussion, that does not mean that canvassing is involved, even though there will often be reflexive shouts to that effect. (This is a general observation, not specifically tailored to this case.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
7.  Roger Davies ^talk 04:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
8. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Carcharoth (talk) 10:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
10. Per Brad. --bainer (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Proposed findings of fact

Locus of dispute

1) While the disputes presented in this case are very similar to issues in the first Macedonia arbitration case (Wikipedia:ARBMAC), the core dispute in this arbitration concerns Macedonia as defined in #Four Macedonias. While focusing specifically on issues related to Macedonia, these issues are part of a broader set of conflicts prevalent over the entire range of articles concerning the Balkans; see, for example, the Dalmatia case and the Kosovo case. Many of these conflicts are grounded in matters external to Wikipedia, including long-standing historical, national, and ethnic disputes in the region.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 19:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. It surely is, regrettably, true that for various reasons there have been a number of extended on-wiki disputes and arbitration cases concerning various conflicts related to the Balkans and to Eastern Europe more generally. However, I think the issue concerning use of the name "Macedonia" is sui generis. Therefore, I'm not sure how helpful it is to pull in references to those other disputes in describing the locus of this one. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Immediate precursor of dispute

2) The immediate precursor to this arbitration was two edits by ChrisO (talk · contribs), an administrator with a long involvement in the debate: on April 14, 2009, he moved a disambiguation page from Macedonia to Macedonia (disambiguation), stating that this was a "minor change".[1] This required him to delete the previous page at that location, [2]. Then, on April 16, 2009, he moved a country article from Republic of Macedonia to Macedonia. ChrisO made this pagemove without prior discussion, arguing that this was the solution best in line with existing policy, and that in these very exceptional circumstances prior discussion would have been useless because the expected stonewalling from the Greek editors would make consensus-forming impossible. The article had previously been move-protected for a very long time, and has remained so since; hence, administrator rights were required to move it. Reactions to this move, including reactions from previously uninvolved outside editors, were mostly critical of the process, but partly supportive of the result. [3], [4], [5] ChrisO did not change "Republic of Macedonia" to "Macedonia" anywhere else. He also acknowledges he is aware of the importance of the timing due to Easter holidays. [6] He also states the move was delayed because he was on international travel. [7]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 16:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Basically fine, though a bit ambitious for one paragraph of findings. :) I did some minor copyediting which does not change the substance in any way. A recheck to make sure all the diffs are lined up as intended would also not go amiss. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Some of the cited diffs appear to be in the wrong place, and there is a quote that's not supported by a diff. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

   Added diff for "minor" quote. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Four Macedonias

3) There are four meanings for "Macedonia" pertinent to this arbitration:

• Macedonia (region): A historical/geographical region, today split between Albania, Bulgaria, Greece and the independent Republic of Macedonia (part of Yugoslavia until 1992)
• Macedonia (ancient kingdom), also called Macedon
• Republic of Macedonia: The independent state by itself which was part of Yugoslavia
• Macedonia (Greece): Three Greek provinces collectively referred to as Macedonia, though it is not actually a political entity in itself.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 16:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 12:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Macedonia Manual of Style

4) The disputes regarding Macedonia related articles go back several years, to at least October 2003. On May 11, 2007, several users, including ChrisO (talk · contribs), NikoSilver (talk · contribs), and Pmanderson (talk · contribs) began writing a Manual of Style guide specifically for Macedonia-related articles, henceforth WP:MOSMAC. Four days later, frustration was already apparent. MOSMAC and MOSMAC2 are essays, not Wikipedia policies.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Was musing on adding "currently" before the "essays" above, but probably redundant. Still one can live in hope there will be an agreed-upon naming convention. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 16:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Although not sure about the heading, given the content of the finding. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Macedonia status-quo

5) Since circa 2006/2007, there was a relatively stable status quo, though not a consensus, that was respected by most regular editors in the field. Part of this status quo was that the "Former Yugoslav" form was used in the Greece and Greece-related articles. [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 16:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Can't see how second diff relates, but first diff is history showing reverts to acronym. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Supporting in the expectation that any rearranging of the cited diffs will be taken care of. Made a minor copyedit. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Not sure what the diffs are intended to refer to. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Per Kirill. This finding should have more diffs and should show the status quo, not the edit waring. This was originally combined with the following finding, so I think these two diffs got left here, not moved down to the next finding (they are down there as well). Carcharoth (talk) 12:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Per Kirill. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

   added more diffs — Rlevse • Talk • 02:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Challenge to the Macedonia status-quo

6) In March 2009, the aforementioned status quo at the Greece article was challenged by a number of editors, who proposed switching to the "Republic of..." convention. During the ensuing controversy, editors of both sides supported their respected views with great tenacity, and often exhibited inappropriate behavior such as disruption, filibustering, assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks/ad hominems, edit warring, assumptions of bad faith, by both those supporting and opposing the change. This resulted in protection of the page. A straw poll held in parallel ended in a polarized roughly 50/50 result: about half of the respondents, mostly self-identified Greeks, advocated "former Yugoslav..."; the other half, mostly from elsewhere, advocated "Republic of". read the summaries, shows how it spilled to non-Greece articles, straw poll results

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 16:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 12:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Same comment as 5. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Not sure what the diffs are intended to refer to. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

   yes, I think the links are not updated in this one somehow. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

   added more detail. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Abuse Filter 119

7) Abuse Filter 119 was set up on March 30, 2009 to track instances of the name "Macedonia" being removed from articles. It has been triggered over 500 times as of 25 May 2009.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 16:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Added more details and date to avoid dating of finding. Carcharoth (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Substituted a link with a limit of 500, rather than 250, since it's the former number appearing here. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Although I'm not sure the description of the filter is quite right. My understanding is that it tracks addition or removal of terms such as "former Yugoslav" and "FYROM", not the word "Macedonia". I could be misinterpreting, though. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC) On further review, I think the description of the filter in remedy 28 below might be used here as well. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:23, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Polarization

8) Articles relating to or simply mentioning Macedonia have been and are being subjected to frequent vandalism and disruptive editing, characterized by ethnic polarization, in an effort to promote one side or the other's particular view.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 16:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Previous attempts to reach consensus have failed

9) Manual of Style (Macedonia-related articles) was proposed to find a common approach to this naming issue, but failed to achieve consensus. WP:ARBMAC, WP:ARBMAC2, read the summaries, how it spilled to tangential articles, straw poll results, [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 16:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. This is correct, though why are the former case and this case being referred to in the abstract with those links? --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
8. I suspect that Carcharoth's point could be addressed with a minor rewording. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Not sure what the diffs are intended to refer to. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

see notes added. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

1. The last three diffs don't show failure to reach consensus. They showing continuing edit warring. The two arbitration cases in themselves don't show failure to reach consensus on MOSMAC. To demonstrate failure to reach consensus, you need to look to where the MOSMAC proposals have been discussed. Carcharoth (talk) 13:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Added MOSMAC diffs

ChrisO

ChrisO's change of a template

10) ChrisO (talk · contribs) changed text in a protected template, {{MKD}}, after several days of discussion in a topic in which he was heavily involved.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
8. I would consider an alternative proposed by Carcharoth, if offered. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Specific explanation seems to be here. The edit to MOSMAC that precipitated this seems to be here. Not convinced yet that the wording does justice to what happened here. It may not be as bad as it looks. It may be worse. Carcharoth (talk) 13:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

ChrisO's plan to move Republic of Macedonia was disclosed to selected parties

11) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) confirmed he had prior knowledge that ChrisO was considering article and disambiguation page changes. [28]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   Made a tweak, hope it's okay. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. as worded, yes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. May not mean too much, but yes. Carcharoth (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Substituted a jargonistic abbreviation with the full word. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Future Perfect's statement is that he knew that ChrisO intended to make the change a day or so before it was made, but did not express support for the change. Perhaps he could have responded differently, but I am not convinced this warrants an arbitration finding. Also, the use of the plural in the heading is not fully supported by the reference in the text to disclosure to a single person. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

ChrisO moved Republic of Macedonia to Macedonia

12) While ChrisO (talk · contribs) subsequently gave a rational explanation of why he moved Republic of Macedonia, which was move protected, to Macedonia, he did so without first obtaining consensus. [29]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Linked to explanation on talk page. Carcharoth (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Although in fairness, consensus (in any direction) might never have been attainable, as explained elsewhere in the findings. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

ChrisO's involvement in Balkan-related articles

13) ChrisO (talk · contribs) was found to have edit-warred and have heavily edited Balkan-related articles in the Kosovo arbitration case of 2006. As a result of that, he was advised not to engage in edit warring and not to use rollback in content disputes. edit warring, involvement, warning

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Fixed third link. Carcharoth (talk) 13:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Although the decision also noted constructive editing (pressing other editors to use reliable sources) by ChrisO on the articles. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

ChrisO's was previously admonished by the Arbitration committee

14) ChrisO (talk · contribs) was admonished for abusing his admin tools in the Israeli apartheid case of 2006.

Support:

1. Second choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 13:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Second choice, prefer 14.1, and see my comment there. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Too imprecise. Prefer #14.1. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

ChrisO previously admonished

14.1) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) was previously admonished in the Israeli apartheid case not to use his administrative tools without prior discussion and consensus, nor to use them so as to continue an editing dispute.

Support:

1. Better to be precise. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
2. First choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
3. First choice. As a further clarification, I would say that ChrisO was "one of a group of administrators admonished"; there are no explicit findings of fact against him, though a skim of the casepages reflects what happened. (I put to the side the nit of draftsmanship that the heading of the section is a whole sentence instead of a phrase.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
4. More precision goodness. First choice. — Coren ^(talk) 10:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

ChrisO's admits being an involved administrator

15) ChrisO (talk · contribs) admitted on April 16, 2009 that he is an involved administrator and acknowledged he should not take administrative actions in this topic. [30]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Per Carcharoth. Not that it matters anyway, because if he wasn't aware that he was involved, he ought to have been. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. I think he is saying here that after performing the move he considers himself involved, so this shouldn't be taken as an admission that he was involved when he moved the page (though on balance, I think he was). Carcharoth (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Per Carcharoth, it's not clear exactly what is meant here, and the paragraph probably isn't essential. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

ChrisO restricted in the Scientology arbitration

16) ChrisO (talk · contribs) agreed to a voluntary restriction limiting his editing and banning his use of sysop tools in Scientology-related articles. Findings of fact, restriction

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Background maybe, but not strictly relevant. I don't think voluntary agreements should be used in findings like this. And from my reading of it, the voluntary restriction was on the back of a long period of little involvement in that other topic area anyway. My concern here is more the repeated arbcom warnings and mentions in other arbcom cases. Carcharoth (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

   The voluntary agreement was done to stop a likely sanction in the Scientology case. Additionally, rather than add remedies to desysop him in two simultaneous cases, the stronger sanction was deliberately deferred to this case. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Per Carcharoth. If the objective of this is as Flo states, then have the relevant findings of fact repeated or referred to here. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Per other opposers. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Comment:

1. Added finding of fact. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise

Future Perfect at Sunrise's behavior

17) Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise (talk · contribs) has been incivil, intimidating, and insulting. [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], (in summary), (in summary), (in summary)

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
8. My own style in drafting is to give a more balanced assessment of the pros and cons of the work done by an experienced contributor such as Fut. Perf. (and this goes for ChrisO as well, and several of the other editors discussed below). I would also use wording that puts the diffs a bit more in context (compare the JzG-related findings in the C68-FM-SV case). But I can't deny that there is a good deal more incivility in those diffs than one would want to see. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise's redirection of Macedonians (Greeks)

18) Macedonians (Greeks) was the subject of an AFD that closed on April 18, 2009 as "no consensus". After that closing, Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs), who had participated in the AFD, redirected the article using the summary "consensus at AfD was that this page as it currently stands is not useful. Redirecting again, until somebody writes something better". On April 21, 2009, he redirected the article again using the summary "rv, the article is worthless". At the time of the second redirection, this is what the article looked like. It presently looks like this.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. True, but as far as I can see, no admin tools were used here. This was an editorial dispute that was resolved when Shadowmorph, among others, took up the challenge and worked to produce what looks like a very good article. I would encourage Shadowmorph, Future Perfect, and others, to do more work in future like this on articles. No admin tools needed for that. Carcharoth (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

   The issue here is taking an action known not to be supported by consensus (which of course is not the same as taking an action in the absence of any assessment of consensus). --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

5. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Not sure about this; considering. Added "'s" in header. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise was put on 1RR

19) As a result of this 3RR report of April 18, 2009, Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) was put on 1RR on Miladinov Brothers by William M. Connolley (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) for edit warring on the article. sanctions here.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Following on from what I said above about working on articles: please do so without edit warring. Carcharoth (talk) 14:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Copyedited to clarify that the 1RR was on the particular article, not project-wide or topic-wide. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise's stated intent to edit war and get a group of users banned

20) In an April 2, 2009 ANI thread about edit warring at Greece, "The situation is clear: there is an overwhelming project-wide consensus of uninvolved users, versus an equally overwhelming consensus of a small local faction armed only with undefeatable tenacity. There is not the tiniest chance that one side will ever convince the other. So, the solution is not to have more talk. The solution, I'm very much afraid, is to fight it out, until one side wins. And that, unfortunately, will mean: until one side is banned." When asked about this he responded "I totally mean it...As long as Wikipedia doesn't find a way to reduce the power of local POV cliques, I will protest and, if necessary, edit-war against them." Yannismarou (talk · contribs) also admitted to edit warring here but expressed his regrets. The thread was closed as "no consensus".

Support:

1. Second choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Classic WP:BATTLE mindset. This is most concerning in an admin. Carcharoth (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

I'm not sure I see those statements as threats to edit war; though they do display a regrettable battlefield mindset. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

See "I will protest and, if necessary, edit-war against them." above in the finding. — Rlevse • Talk •

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I see the point; but I still think this should be interpreted as "This means WAR" rather than "To hell with policy" (as a threat to editwar normally is). Mind you, this is not acceptable either and I might propose a differently-worded alternative later today. — Coren ^(talk) 20:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. The first sentence seems to lack verbs, and the first quote comes from Talk:Greece, not ANI. There are also other illustrative statements of intent made on that day, so proposing #20.1. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise's stated intent to edit war

20.1) On 2 April 2009, Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) said at Talk:Greece that:

"...there is an overwhelming project-wide consensus of uninvolved users, versus an equally overwhelming consensus of a small local faction armed only with undefeatable tenacity. There is not the tiniest chance that one side will ever convince the other. So, the solution is not to have more talk. The solution, I'm very much afraid, is to fight it out, until one side wins. And that, unfortunately, will mean: until one side is banned."

He later responded to replies to that comment by saying that he was:

"...perfectly willing to make this a test case. Either the Wikipedia community surrenders to the power of local national factions, or it fights them."

After the first comment was raised in a discussion at the administrators' incidents noticeboard, Future Perfect at Sunrise said there that:

"...[a]s long as Wikipedia doesn't find a way to reduce the power of local POV cliques, I will protest and, if necessary, edit-war against them."

He later removed a three-revert rule warning template from his user talk page with the edit summary "LOL, I'm perfectly aware of what I am doing, thank you very much for your kind concern."

Support:

1. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
2. First choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
3. More explicit. — Coren ^(talk) 10:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Future Perfect at Sunrise's block of Sadbuttrue92 and warning by an arbitrator

21) On April 21, 2009, the day before this arbitration opened, Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) blocked Sadbuttrue92 (talk · contribs) because Sadbuttrue92 was harassing him. FPAS took it to ANI for block review since he was involved. Most reviewers felt Sadbuttrue92 did deserve a block but felt someone else should have done it. FPAS's response was to blank the entry by Sadbuttrue92 with an edit summary in Greek that roughly means "fuck off, you wanker", but FPAS thought it meant "go to hell". FPAS was warned by arbitrator Cool Hand Luke (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) not to do this again.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. I linked to the ANI discussion. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise's protected his own version of an article

22) On November 29, 2008, FPAS edited the revision history of Greek alphabet back to his own version and then protected it. While the user he reverted was a banned user's changes, the edit summaries he used were trolling and mocking. See Nov 29 edits between 18:14 and 19:15 in history here, [42], [43].

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   Striking this one based on new evidence on talk page. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Regarding the edit summaries: Future Perfect, please don't encourage banned users. Carcharoth (talk) 14:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise's User Conduct RFC

23) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) was the subject of a user conduct Request For Comment during August-November 2008 that primarily focused on concerns about incivility, assuming good faith, how he handled images, and tenditious editing. While he did make an effort to address some of the concerns, he also argued at the conclusion of the RFC to the point that the conclusion was moved to an outside view vice placing it in a closing template which was the practice at that time. The closing admin, now an arbitrator, stated "...just because one works in a difficult area does not give a user the right to attack another. As a result, I caution FPS to be more civil and to avoid personal attacks...". FPAS also stated "I mean, does anybody seriously expect I'm still reading it?"

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

   made a tweak. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Reviewing this. Carcharoth (talk) 14:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise is an involved administrator

24) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) is an administrator involved in this dispute.here, 3RR report, [44], [45]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Not sure yet that he has been using his tools in this dispute. Carcharoth (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
3. per carch. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

John Carter and Taivo

25) John Carter (talk · contribs) has been disruptive during the arbitration case; specifically [46], [47], [48] and sent a very demeaning email to Taivo (talk · contribs) via wikimail on May 14, 2009. Taivo subsequently released the email without permission to two other users.[49], [50]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Carcharoth (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 15:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Reaper7

Personal attacks by Reaper7

26) Reaper7 (talk · contribs) has violated Wikipedia:No personal attacks by accusing other editors of bigotry, utilizing terminology conveying ethnic hatred, and accusing other users of lying and ignorance. [51], [52], [53] and [54] (note "Fyromian" is considered offensive by many), [55], [56], [57]; and [58] where he thinks FPAS is Greek and asks if he is of "Greek blood".

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Indeed, many of those attacks were calculated to be extremely offensive. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Wizardman 15:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. A pattern of unacceptable comments, although "ethnic hatred" is not exactly the term I would use. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Reaper7 engaged in canvassing

27) Reaper7 (talk · contribs) engaged in inappropriate canvassing after being warned about original research. User:Avg [59], User:SQRT5P1D2 [60], User:Shadowmorph [61], User:Yannismarou [62], User:AndreasJS [63], User:Tasoskessaris [64], User:Giorgos_Tzimas[65], User:Dragases [66].

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Wizardman 15:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
9. Despite my reservations about overuse of the term "canvassing" whenever two people with a common interest talk to each other, this is as blatant an on-wiki WP:CANVASS issue as one will see. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

SQRT5P1D2

SQRT5P1D2 solicited meatpuppets

28) SQRT5P1D2 (talk · contribs) has solicited meatpuppets, specifically Greek-speaking Usenet users, to support his position on Wikipedia. [67]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Wizardman 15:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Linked to the translation of the message on his talk page. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

SQRT5P1D2 is a Macedonia-focused single-purposed account

29) SQRT5P1D2 (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose account whose involvement with Wikipedia has been almost entirely been focused on editing a handful of Macedonia-related articles and this arbitration case.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Created SmartGeometry Group and User:SQRT5P1D2/LOCMAC. See also comments here. Carcharoth (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 15:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Many month-old accounts would have a similarly narrow spread of editing. The "single-purpose account" label is clearly understood as a pejorative one within the community (regardless of attempts to cast it as descriptive) and I would rather limit its use to users with a disruptive agenda. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Radjenef is a Macedonia-focused single-purposed account

30) Radjenef (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose account (see contribs) whose involvement with Wikipedia has been almost entirely been focused on editing a handful of Macedonia-related articles and this arbitration case.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 15:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Shows some diversification here and has a draft article here. Carcharoth (talk) 19:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. per Carch, is diversifying now, but initially, yes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Per comment in the previous section, I'm not going to support the application of this label other than in the context of users editing within a confined area with a disruptive agenda. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Nick ts has edit-warred

31) Nick ts (talk · contribs) has edit-warred disruptively on 2008 Greek riots and has continued to edit war after a block ended. Contributions here, block log here

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Carcharoth (talk) 14:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. And the user was blocked again for that, but yes. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. This user has a grand total of 27 edits (including deleted edits), none in the past month. I think we can leave him or her for admins to deal with if he or she resumes editing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Alfadog777 is a Macedonia-focused single purpose account who has edit-warred

32) Alfadog777 (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose account whose involvement with Wikipedia has been almost entirely been focused on editing a handful of Macedonia-related articles and this arbitration case. He has edit-warred disruptively on List of national animals to push a Greek nationalist POV. [68], [69], [70], [71]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. No diversifying at all. Carcharoth (talk) 14:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Cf my comments on the preceding two proposals. --bainer (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC).

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. This user has made a grand total of three mainspace edits and less than 50 overall edits in his or her entire participation in the project. While the proposed finding is true, I'm not convinced this rises to the level of warranting this Committee's attention, as opposed to calling for routine administrator action if problems continue. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Avg

Avg's disruption

33) Avg (talk · contribs) has disrupted the project through years-long systematic advocacy editing in issues of Greek national disputes, including the Macedonia naming issue. He has a battle ground mentality and has threatened to edit war without compromising. [72], [73], [74], [75], [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81], [82] (calling opponent's edit vandalism), [83], [84], [85], [86], [87], [88], [89] (during these proceedings)

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. This is long-term behaviour. Carcharoth (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. He actually had to be blocked for disrupting the arbitration case itself. We don't do that lightly. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Avg's assumptions about other editors

34) Avg (talk · contribs) is prone to exaggeration and showing lack of good faith in the motives of other editors. intent to edit war til banned, [90], in the case workshop he calls an attempt at updating guidelines "sabotage"; calling an obvious alternate account, User:Former Abbreviated Username of Future Perfect at Sunrise a "disruptive purpose" sock; accusing others of an intent to deceive, [91] (insinuating opponent might abuse oversight to get rid of allegedly embarrassing material). He also accused Greece666 (talk · contribs), who self-identified as Greek but disagreed with him on the Macedonia question, of lying and calling him "FYROMian" and "leftist", often writing in Greek. See User talk:Greece666#If you are Greek, I'm Martian. More evidence of lack of assuming WP:AGF and wiki-lawyering: [92], [93], [94], [95], [96]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Carcharoth (talk) 14:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Numerous instances of unacceptable comments. (Although I'm not sure where "wikilawyering" fits in.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Kekrops' disruption

35) ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (talk · contribs) (Kekrops) has disrupted the project through years-long systematic advocacy editing in issues of Greek national disputes, including the Macedonia naming issue. He has shown a pattern of persistent and excessive wikilawyering, edit-warring and multiple instances of ad hominem personal attacks. [97], [98], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106], [107], [108], [109], [110], [111], [112], [113], [114], [115], [116], [117], [118], [119], [120], [121], [122], [123], [124], [125], [126], [127], [128] [129], [130], [131], [132], [133], [134], [135], [136], [137], [138], [139]. He has also at times shown respect for those who oppose him and willingness to compromise [140].

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Carcharoth (talk) 14:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Though again I'm not sure that "wikilawyering" adds anything here. (Am I being too sensitive?) Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Shadowmorph is a Macedonia-focused single purpose account

36) Shadowmorph (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose account whose involvement with Wikipedia has been almost entirely been focused on editing a handful of Macedonia-related articles and this arbitration case. [141], [142], [143], [144], [145], [146], [147] It is also noted that Shadowmorph has recently started broadening his areas of interest and working on improving articles.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. He has created Emmanuil Xanthos, Athanasios Tsakalov and Hellenoglosso Xenodocheio, done good image work here, and has several draft articles in his userspace, including one on Super Solar Flare. He has also created Macedonian Greek, Kostas Zouraris, and Makedonikos Stadium, as well as creating several redirects. He has also made other useful contributions outside of this topic area. The work on Macedonians (Greeks) was mentioned earlier. This is actually fairly impressive for a new account. Carcharoth (talk) 14:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 17:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. also per carch. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Given that there is no citation of any inappropriate edits, and Carcharoth's demonstration that the editor's interests are broadening, I don't understand the purpose of this finding. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

IP Editors have disrupted Wikipedia

37) IP editors from both sides have been disruptive by changing articles to a particular POV without a consensus to do so. This is often done on pages which have no direct connection to Greece, Macedonia, or their peoples, languages, or cultures. The effect disrupts Wikipedia, overshadows legitimate IP edits, and leads to a battleground mentality among registered editors. [148], [149], [150], [151], [152], a set from an IP, [153][154][155][156][157][158][159][160], but also in unrelated or loosely related ancient/Byzantine Greek pages, e.g. Cyril and Method example[161].

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 17:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Yannismarou has edit warred

38) Yannismarou (talk · contribs) has edit warred. [162], [163], [164], [165], [166], [167]. He has also expressed regret for it. [168]

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 17:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. That's a very parenthetical expression of regret ("I also reverted there twice in two days, which I regret") in the middle of a long ANI report on someone else edit warring and beng incivil. It would have been better to also express the regret outside of that venue in an attempt at reconciliation, not during an escalation of the dispute. Carcharoth (talk) 18:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Collective behavior of blocs of editors

39) Over several years, many editors have represented an identifiable opinion faction with regard to Macedonia-related articles. While many of the editors concerned have undoubtedly acted individually in good faith, and the individual conduct of most of them did not reach a level of disruption that would normally call for individual sanctions; their actions taken together have taken on a collectively disruptive form. The stance of these factions, as represented by a small number of core regular editors and a larger volatile group of occasional supporters, has had the collective effect of permanently blocking regular consensus-seeking mechanisms. Many of these editors have shown a willingness to use Wikipedia as a mechanism to foment their national political interests. The collective net effect of this is to create a bloc whose influence is at times disproportionate to its size and at times has the result of negating Wikipedia policies. Wikipedia's goal is to create a neutral and factual encyclopedia in a consensus-based environment. Methods used by these factions include: wikilawyering, overt appeals to political considerations, "refusal to get the point", hyperbole, filibustering, assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks, external lobbying, and edit warring. Several outside editors have over time turned away from the dispute exasperated by the immobility of these opinion blocs. Users turning away: [169], [170], [171], [172]. Nationalistic fervor and insulting others: [173], [174], [175], [176], [177], [178], [179], [180], [181], [182], [183], and [184]. Search and replace tools are often used: [185], [186]. It has even come from official sources such as the Greek Parliament: [187], [188]. Specific types of examples:

• Replacing all instances of "Republic of Macedonia" with "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". [189], [190], [191], [192], [193], [194], [195], [196], [197], [198], [199], [200], [201], [202], [203], [204].

• Similarly, but replacing "Republic of Macedonia" with "FYROM", to remove any mention of Macedonia, even if there is no ambiguity or if the term FYROM is inappropriate in that context. [205], [206], [207], [208], [209], [210] (note edit summary), [211], [212], [213], [214], [215], [216][217]

• Replacing "Republic of Macedonia" with invented POV or pejorative terms (e.g. "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia", "Vardarska", "Slavomacedonia", "Republic of FYROM", "Republic of Skopje", "Bananadonia" and "Monkeydonia"). [218], [219], [220], [221], [222], [223], [224], [225], [226], [227]

• Replacing the term "Macedonians" with POV or pejorative terms such as "Fyromians", "Skopjans", "Pseudomacedonians" or "Slavomacedonians". Also replacing mentions of the Macedonian language with related POV or pejorative terms. [228], [229], [230], [231], [232], [233], [234], [235].

• Examples of disruption with an anti-Greek focus. [236], [237], [238], [239], [240], [241], [242], [243], [244], [245], [246].

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 16:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. There are a few diffs I wouldn't have used in this finding, but the pattern is clear. Carcharoth (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Proposed remedies

Seek neutral outside opinion

1) All editors on Macedonia-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions and Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard (WP:ECCN), especially since there are significant problems in reaching consensus.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. MedCom and the other mediation vehicles may be appropriate places to go as well. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Although I doubt that Medcom— because of its strictly voluntary nature— is likely to help very much in cases of entrenched nationalistic disputes. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 20:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Provisionally, yes. Some naming guidelines will be beneficial here as well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 00:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. It's good advice, but I don't think we can "direct" "all" editors on the articles to obtain advice. And there are plenty of editors on these articles who are not involved in the naming dispute, to whom this would not necessarily apply. Proposing 1.1 in lieu. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Seek neutral outside opinion

1.1) Editors involved in editing articles relating to Macedonia (however defined) are strongly urged to obtain advice from neutral parties via means such as outside opinions and the Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard (WP:ECCN) when issues relating to the Macedonia naming dispute arise, rather than resort to edit-warring, incivility, or other tactics that will aggravate the dispute without resolving it.

Support:

1. Proposed. Once we see what's passing, I may also have some suggestions about rearranging the order; for example a statement that the discretionary sanctions from the former case remain in effect should probably precede anything else. (By the way, it's late; any arbitrator who has ideas for copyediting this or my other proposals should feel free to implement the edits; I may do a little tweaking tomorrow also.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Area of conflict

2) The area of conflict in this case shall therefore be considered to be the entire set of Balkan-related articles, broadly interpreted.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I'd rather go overbroad than miss a critical set of articles in this case; there is, at any rate, no area of the encyclopedia where such collective behavior is acceptable. — Coren ^(talk) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 20:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. As far as I can tell, this is not referred to in the substantive remedies, which use the narrower definition below. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Not sure what this "remedy" is for. It sounds more like a "finding". Carcharoth (talk) 00:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Proposing 2.1, which I think makes the purpose clear, and also more tailored directly to the problem. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Undecided. Not sure how this remedy helps over and above the remedies listed below in identifying relevant articles. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Scope of remedies

2.1) The remedies in this case shall apply to any disagreement among editors concerning the proper use or designation of the names "Macedonia", "Republic of Macedonia", "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", or any similar or related reference in any article in Wikipedia.

Support:

1. This may help tailor what we are driving at. Same comments and permission as in 1.1. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

All related articles under 1RR

3) All articles related to Macedonia (defined as any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to Macedonia, Macedonia nationalism, Greece related articles that mention Macedonia, and other articles in which how Macedonia will be referred to is an issue) fall under 1RR. When in doubt, assume it is related. Clear vandalism, WP:BLP violations, WP:SOCK violations, and efforts to GAME the system by tactics such as tag-team reverting may be reverted without penalty. Editors enforcing a case where a binding #Stalemate resolution has been found are exempt from 1RR.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 20:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Too broad as framed. I am not sure that 1RR is needed on the articles about Macedonia or Greece except specifically with regard to the naming dispute itself. For example, there must be hundreds of Greece-related articles that mention Macedonia (one or another definition) in passing, but I don't think we need the whole article under 1RR just because one sentence implicates the naming dispute. Perhaps there is a case that the broader topic-wide 1RR is needed to address wider issues, but I'm not yet convinced. More clearly, the remedy is phrased too broadly as applied to articles that are not primarily about Macedonia or Greece but mention Macedonia in passing. List of peninsulas contains a reference to Macedonia (I just picked an example at random using "what links here"); the sentence referring to Macedonia should be on 1RR, but the whole article needn't be. I'll wait for consensus on my other suggestions and these comments before proposing an alternative, but "all articles or portions of articles within the scope of 2.1 are subject to 1RR". (And then we should define 1RR; the meaning of the term is sometimes disputed or misinterpreted). Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

   This same remedy worked quite well in the Ireland articles. These ethnic wars need strong remedies. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Tagging articles

4) As there are hundreds of articles potentially subject to the remedies contained in this decision, it is up to the community to tag the talk pages and edit notices of the articles and to decide how to go about that. Code for a template on talk pages that can be used for that is here: {{Consensus|This article is currently subject to '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2#Remedies|1RR]]''', as laid out in the final decision of the "Macedonia 2" arbitration case. If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the guidelines laid out in the above link. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it on this talk page first.}} Similar edit notice wording should be used.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. In particular, it should be noted that an article that falls within the scope of this decision but which had not yet been tagged confers no exemption (though it should be tagged once the oversight is noted). — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 20:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Though the initial warnings after 1RR are still needed before blocks are issued, even if the article was tagged, and especially if the article was not tagged. Carcharoth (talk) 00:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Needs to be implemented on a common-sense basis; an article containing a passing reference to Macedonia should only be tagged if actual issues arise on that article. Minor copyedits made. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Uninvolved administrators

5) For the purpose of imposing sanctions under the provisions of this case, an administrator will be considered "uninvolved" if he or she has not previously participated in any content disputes on articles in the area of conflict and is not mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee decision in this case. Enforcing the provisions of this decision or the earlier decision in the first Macedonia arbitration will not be considered to be participation in a dispute. Any doubt regarding whether an administrator qualifies under this definition is to be treated as any other appeal of discretionary sanctions.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 00:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Added "or the earlier decision in the first Macedonia arbitration". Colleagues please feel free to revert if undesired. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Stalemate resolution

6) When the net effect of blocs of editors with a shared agenda disrupts the achievement of consensus over, and/or negates the application of, Wikipedia policy to the point that it is harmful to the encyclopedia, and appropriate steps of the dispute resolution process have been unsuccessful, the community should designate a neutral uninvolved administrator, or group of administrators, agreeable to all sides of the dispute, which should review the situation and resolve it by applying Wikipedia policy. All sides should faithfully adhere to this decision. Any uninvolved administrator, or group of administrators, including those who made the binding decision, may enforce the decision. Since consensus and policy can change, these binding decisions may be reviewed at appropriate times by that same administrator(s), or other uninvolved administrators. If the community is unable to find an administrator, or group of administrators, to address the situation, it may request that the Arbitration Committee appoint one. WP:GAME-ing a situation to head towards stalemate resolution will be highly frowned upon.

Support:

1. New approach worth a try, especially in ethnic disputes. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Worth trying. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. I have doubts that finding an administrator that is agreeable to all parties is likely, but it's certainly worth trying. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Especially for contentious material which is not strictly a naming dispute (and hence could feasibly be covered by naming guidelines). Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 18:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Comment:

• How about adding "experienced users agreeable to all sides may participate in resolving the dispute" or words to that effect? — Rlevse • Talk • 15:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
• One concern I have here is that sometimes the side of a dispute that has a "bloc of editors with a shared agenda" might actually be the "right" side. What should really be done is to take the block vote or influence out of the equation and then see if objective and uninvolved editors appear to support the position previously supported by the block vote. It is possible that other editors may have not wanted to get involved, or thought it was not necessary because consensus was getting the "right" result. What I'm warning against here is an automatic assumption that the side with a "block" nationalist vote is always wrong. In some cases they will be right and we should avoid the system being gamed both ways. Carcharoth (talk) 23:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
• Not happy with the potential that a single administrator may end up imposing a binding resolution. Imposition of binding resolutions should be done by the community. A community discussion to establish whether a bloc vote is distorting the issue in a particular case would be better than admins making these decisions. Carcharoth (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

"and/or negates the application of, Wikipedia policy" is a key here. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Avg banned for six months

7) Avg is banned from the English Wikipedia for six months.

Support:

1. Second choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Second choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Second choice. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Second choice. Wizardman 17:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Second choice. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Second choice. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Avg banned for one year

7.1) Avg is banned from the English Wikipedia for one year.

Support:

1. First choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. First choice. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. First choice. Wizardman 17:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. First choice. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. First choice. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Avg topic-banned for one year

8) Avg is topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for one year.

Support:

1. First six months to run simultaneously with the site ban. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Second choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Second choice, to run concurrently with any bans. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Prefer 8.1. --FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. If he's completely banned a year and it runs concurrently, it defeats the purpose. Wizardman 17:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

   Technically, he could appeal the siteban and come back early and still be topic banned. Carcharoth (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Per Wiz. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Avg topic-banned indefinitely

8.1) Avg is indefinitely topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR.

Support:

1. First choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. This appears needed. First choice. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 17:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Yes. In the past, topic bans were passed and also site bans. This makes it clear that a topic ban will be in place if the banned user returns early. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Kekrops topic-banned for six months

9) ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (Kekrops) is banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for six months.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Second choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. As stated above, would defeat purpose if concurrent. Wizardman 17:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Kekrops topic-banned indefinitely

9.1) ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (Kekrops) is indefinitely banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR.

Support:

1. First choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Only choice. Wikipedia is emphatically not a soapbox for nationalistic disputes. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 17:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Kekrops banned for three months

10) ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (Kekrops) is banned from the English Wikipedia for three months.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Second choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Distant second choice. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Second choice. Wizardman 17:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Second choice. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Kekrops banned for one year

10.1) ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (Kekrops) is banned from the English Wikipedia for one year.

Support:

1. First choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. First choice. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. First choice. Wizardman 17:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. First choice. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Reaper7 banned for six months

11) Reaper7 is banned from the English Wikipedia for six months.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 15:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:01, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Reaper7 topic-banned for one year

12) Reaper7 is topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for one year.

Support:

1. First six months to run simultaneously with the site ban. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Again, to run concurrently. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 15:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Nick ts admonished

13) Nick ts is admonished for edit warring.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 17:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Alfadog777 admonished

14) Alfadog777 is admonished for edit warring.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 17:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

SQRT5P1D2 admonished

15) SQRT5P1D2 is admonished for soliciting meatpuppets.

Support:

1. Second choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Second choice. Wizardman 15:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Not adequate; bringing in nationalistic supporters in order to subvert and destroy the editorial process is unacceptable. Alternative below. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

SQRT5P1D2 banned

15.1) SQRT5P1D2 is banned from the English Wikipedia for six months.

Support:

1. This behavior needs to stop. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Second choice. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 19:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. First choice. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. First choice. Wizardman 15:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Yannismarou admonished

16) Yannismarou is admonished for edit warring.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Even with the admission, the admonishment on the record is warranted. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. No longer needed, as he's already acknowledged being at fault. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Given that the edit-warring was a year ago and he's been regretful of it, I'm willing to forgive. Wizardman 17:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Per Wiz. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

John Carter admonished

17) John Carter is admonished for disruption and incivility.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 15:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Taivo admonished

18) Taivo is admonished for releasing private correspondence.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 15:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

ChrisO admonished

19) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is strongly admonished for changing a protected template and moving a protected article in disputes in which he was heavily involved as an editor without obtaining consensus.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 19:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

ChrisO desysopped

20) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has been admonished or made subject to restrictions in the course of three prior arbitration proceedings by the Arbitration Committee: Israeli apartheid case, September 2006 for abuse of administrator tools; Kosovo case, October 2006 for edit warring and rollback abuse; Scientology case, May 2009 for WP:BLP violations and inappropriate sysop actions. Combined with actions in this case, this is a long-term pattern. ChrisO is desysopped as a result. ChrisO may obtain the tools back via the usual means or by request to the arbitration committee.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I'm sorry, but with three sanctions, simple supervision does not seem adequate. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. The fact that he's been admonished plenty in the past so many times leads to this. Wizardman 15:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Prefer 20.1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Comment:

1. tweaked wording. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

ChrisO to undergo administrative supervision

20.1) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is required to undergo administrative supervision.

Support:

1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. There were plenty of opportunities to correct in the past which were not heeded. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Wizardman 15:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
3. He is not an inexperienced admin or an young person that lack life experience about how to respond in this role. Rather, ChrisO does not have the judgment about how to carry out the duties of the role. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

ChrisO topic banned

21) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for 30 days.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Not needed. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Mulling it over. Wizardman 15:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

21.1) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for 90 days.

Support:

Oppose:

1. Not needed. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Mulling it over. Wizardman 15:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

21.2) ChrisO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for 6 months.

Support:

1. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Not needed. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Doesn't need to be this long. Wizardman 15:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

   Unlikely that these problems are going to be sorted out quickly. Removing some editors from these articles is needed to reach a suitable decision. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Future Perfect at Sunrise admonished

22) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is strongly admonished for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard. This is inappropriate for any editor, but especially for an administrator.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Some of those incidents may be more forgivable than others, but despite the strained situation they are unacceptable in the aggregate. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise topic banned

23) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR for 90 days.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Not needed. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I don't think a 90 day ban will acheive anything. Hoping supervision will work. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise restricted

24) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Should he make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 5 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one month. All blocks are to be logged at #Log of blocks and bans.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Prefer 25.1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. 25.1 should do the trick in this case. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise desysopped

25) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has been displayed long term incivility, resistance to listening to the concerns of the community, declared an intent to edit war and get users banned, and abused his admin bit. Future Perfect at Sunrise is desysopped as a result. Future Perfect at Sunrise may obtain the tools back via the usual means or by request to the arbitration committee.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Prefer 25.1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. 25.1 should be sufficient. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. Recusing from anything FPAS-related due to involvement in his RfC. Wizardman 02:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise to undergo administrative supervision

25.1) Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is required to undergo administrative supervision.

Support:

1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. FPAS's comments and conduct during the case towards other parties, arbs, clerks indicated that he is not a good candidate for an supervised admin. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Single-purpose accounts advised

26) Single-purpose accounts are strongly advised to edit in accordance with WP:SPA and other Wikipedia policies. Diversifying one's topics of interest is also encouraged.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. At a minimum. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Indeed, at a minimum. Editing just one tiny area is always a recipe for disaster - diversifying it strongly encouraged for me. Wizardman 15:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. I'd add a "strongly" to the encouraged above actually. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. I believe we were working on some relevant language about SPAs in the Scientology case; perhaps that could be incorporated here as well. There is also useful language in Israel-Palestine (pointing out that editors who find themselves in a rut edit-warring or feuding about one aspect of a topic may benefit from moving their editing to another aspect.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Discretionary topic ban

27) Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, ban any editor from editing within the Macedonia topic, as defined in #Area of conflict. Prior to topic banning the editor, the administrator will leave a message on the editor's talk page, linking to this paragraph, warning the editor that a topic ban is contemplated and outlining the behaviours for which it is contemplated.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Redundant to the existing discretionary sanctions in WP:ARBMAC; I see no need to confuse the matter by passing a second, narrower version. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I agree that the ARBMAC sanction covers this. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Per above. Moot since it's struck though. Wizardman 18:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Comment:

Striking, see enforcement 2.1 — Rlevse • Talk • 19:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Tighten the abuse filter

28) Abuse filter 119, as currently configured, logs all changes involving the word "Macedonia" but does not block any edits. The community is strongly advised to consider adding a new abuse filter criteria; any instances of changing the word "Macedonia" to "FYROM" (the five-letter acronym, not the full phrase) shall be prevented.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Opposing on principle. This won't stop the abuse (I won't go into details), and the abuse filter shouldn't be used this way. It is a slippery slope to using the filter to control content. If this passes, I predict a wave of poorly-designed filters and an escalating "arms race" between filter designers and vandals. This may also antagonise the situation. Carcharoth (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Disputed article movement/renaming injunction extension

29) No Macedonia-related article, as defined in #All related articles under 1RR, shall be moved/renamed until after the community comes to a solution for the naming dispute. If any unauthorized move does occur, any uninvolved administrator may expeditiously revert it.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Note that this applies to article names only, not to the text used in articles (where most of the problems occur). Carcharoth (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
7. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
8. Made minor copyedits. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Community asked to come to a consensus on the preferred names

29.1) Relating to the above, the community is strongly urged to pursue current discussions to come to a definitive consensus on the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia, that is the source of conflict in this case, without further disputes or rancor. Note that this must be consistent with current Wikipedia policies and guidelines on reliable sourcing, Neutral point of view, naming conventions and disambiguation. Editors are asked to approach this discussion with an open mind and without emphasis on prior discussions that failed to reach agreement. Any editor who makes disruptive edits risks having their contributions ignored and being barred from taking part. This decision will be appended onto this case within two months from the close of the case.

Support:

1. Marginally second choice behind 29.1.1 below. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
2. I fear this is not structured enough and the timescale is too short, but something is needed. Have added disambiguation to the list of considerations. It might also be good to separate out the dispute over names in article text, and the disputes over the names of articles. Carcharoth (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Support, noting this covers both article names and how they're referred to within articles. I'm not sure we need to split those into separate remedies. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Establishing consensus on names

29.1.1) Within seven days of the closure of this case, a discussion is to be opened to consider the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia. The discussion will end one month after it is opened. Prior to the discussion ending, the Arbitration Committee will designate a panel of three uninvolved administrators who will assess the consensus developed during the discussion, and report the results of their assessment within one week of the end of the discussion. The results will then be appended onto this case, and the consensus as assessed by the panel shall be enforceable as if it were a naming convention.

In assessing the consensus, the panel is instructed to disregard any opinion which does not provide a clear and reasonable rationale explained by reference to the principles of naming conventions and of disambiguation, or which is inconsistent with the principles of the neutral point of view policy or the reliable sources guideline.

Support:

1. A more structured alternative. --bainer (talk) 14:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
2. First choice (just). Given the complexities of disambiguation pages and the various synonyms and contexts, is more complex than the West Bank/Judea and Samaria case I imported the first remedy from, hence I think I favour this one slightly more, as long as there is a result in a naming convention at the other end. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Administrative supervision

30) An administrator, X, subject to administrative supervision is required to find another administrator in good standing who is willing to supervise their administrative actions. The choice of supervising administrator is subject to approval by the Committee. X is encouraged to seek a supervising administrator outside their normal areas of editing and administrative tool use. Should X refuse to seek out an administrative supervisor, they will be summarily desysopped.

For a period of six months after their supervising administrator is approved by the Committee, X is permitted to use their administrative tools only as approved by the supervising administrator. The supervising administrator may place limits on the topic areas in which tool may be used, the type of tool used, the purpose for which they are used, or any others as they consider necessary. Should X refuse to comply with these limits, they will be summarily desysopped.

During this time, the supervising administrator is asked to assist X in training to use the tools in a manner that complies with all relevant policies and benefits the project, and to conduct themselves in a manner appropriate for an administrator.

At the end of the six-month period, the supervising administrator will make a recommendation to the Committee regarding X's readiness to use the tools correctly and to conduct themselves appropriately without supervision. Based on this recommendation, the Committee will either allow X to continue as an administrator without further supervision; require that X undergo further supervision; or summarily desysop X.

Support:

1. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. It's novel, and a bit heavy, but is a good alternative to guide otherwise good admins who have difficulties in some areas. — Coren ^(talk) 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 18:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Though we need to be clear where this fits in the scale of sanctions. In principle, admins should be able to use their own judgment and not need supervision. Getting another admin involved may well reduce the activity and effectiveness of that admin. Is that worth the trade-off? Maybe. Carcharoth (talk) 00:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
5. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Proposed enforcement

Enforcement of 1RR by block

1) Blocks for violation of 1RR related to this arbitration may be issued after 1 warning for up to 1 week for first offense, up to 1 month after the first 1 week block, up to 6 months after the first 1 month block, and then indefinite blocks and ban options may be considered. All blocks and bans are to be logged at #Log of blocks and bans.

Support:

1. Standard 3RR rules apply only it's 1 revert not 3. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 18:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Carcharoth (talk) 00:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Enforcement of discretionary topic ban by block

2) If the editor warned under #Discretionary topic ban fails to heed the warning, the editor may be topic banned, initially, for up to three months, then with additional topic bans increasing in duration to a maximum of one year. All topic bans and blocks arising out of this sanction are to be recorded at #Log of blocks and bans.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Per my opposition to the remedy. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Covered by ARBMAC. — Coren ^(talk) 19:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 18:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Comment:

Striking, see enforcement 2.1 — Rlevse • Talk • 19:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions

2.1) All articles involved in this conflict are subject to discretionary sanctions under the terms of the Macedonia case "WP:ARBMAC". Such sanctions may be appealed in accordance with the ARBMAC discretionary appeals process.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 19:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. That works. — Coren ^(talk) 20:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Wizardman 18:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Appeal of discretionary sanctions

3) Appeal of discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator or the administrators' noticeboard. As a last restort an appeal to the Arbitration Committee may be made. Administrators are cautioned not to reverse such sanctions without familiarizing themselves with the full facts of the matter and engaging in extensive discussion and consensus building at the administrators' noticeboard or another suitable on-wiki venue. The Committee will consider appropriate remedies including suspension or revocation of adminship in the event of violations.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Redundant to WP:ARBMAC. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Covered by ARBMAC. — Coren ^(talk) 19:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. Wizardman 18:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Abstain:

Comment:

Striking, see enforcement 2.1 — Rlevse • Talk • 19:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Community review

4) Topic bans and other measures imposed by administrators pursuant to the enforcement provisions of this case are open to community review. The community is free to modify sanctions, such as extending a topic ban or replacing a topic ban with mentoring and editing restrictions.

Support:

1. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
2. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 17:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
3. — Coren ^(talk) 19:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
4. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
5. Wizardman 18:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
6. Can also replace topic bans with community bans if needed. Carcharoth (talk) 00:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Log of blocks and bans

Log any block, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here. Minimum information includes name of administrator, date and time, what was done and the basis for doing it.

Motion to close

Implementation notes

Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.

As of 21:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC):

Passing at this time:

• Proposed principles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27,
• Proposed findings of fact: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 21, 25, 26, 27, 28, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37,
• Proposed remedies: 1, 4, 5, 26, 29,
• Proposed enforcement:

Not passing at this time:

• Proposed principles: 8, 22.1
• Proposed findings of fact: 5, 14.1, 15, 16, 20, 20.1, 22, 23, 24, 29, 30, 36, 38, 39
• Proposed remedies: 1.1, 2, 2.1, 3, 6, 7, 7.1, 8, 8.1, 9, 9.1, 10, 10.1, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15.1, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20.1, 21, 21.1, 22, 23, 24, 25, 25.1, 27, 28, 29.1, 29.1.1, 30
• Proposed enforcement: 1, 2, 2.1, 3, 4

Tiptoety ^talk

Vote

Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close.

The Clerks will close the case either immediately, or 24 hours after the fourth net support vote has been cast,
depending on whether the arbitrators have voted unanimously on the entirety of the case's proposed decision or not.

1. I am done; others I am sure will follow when ready. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)