Jump to content

Talk:Barry Bonds

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Undervenued (talk | contribs) at 18:51, 19 January 2010 (→‎misleading intro, looks biased). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Former good article nomineeBarry Bonds was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 16, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
March 25, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
May 19, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
May 27, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee

GA Fail (March 2008)

I'm failing the article, as finding sources for some of these may take quite a bit of time. Re-nominate at WP:GAN when the problems have been rectified. Regards, D.M.N. (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TV movie

I don't think I'm crazy. I distinctively remember, as a kid, Barry Bonds playing a lawyer in a TV movie years ago, I think when he was playing for Pittsburgh. But I haven't been able to find anything. Am I going crazy? Can anyone help me out here? --JerryLewisOverdrive (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not sure if you are crazy or not, but you are not correct on this. If he was in any kind of movie, it would be listed on his IMDB profile. He was in a few movies/shows though. Nothing around the time you are talking though. He appeared in Rookie of the Year in 1993, an episode of Beverly Hills 90210, Moment of Truth: Broken Pledges, 2 episodes of Renegade, and Nash Bridges. You claimed he was a lawyer on a TV movie when he played for Pittsburgh. He ended his career in Pittsburgh in 1992, so it is impossible, since his first credit is in 1993. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.20.63 (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lead paragraph

There's so much information about this guy, so much stuff he's done and "hasn't" done...and this article starts with who he's related to?! Grsztalk 21:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current Status

This article says that Barry Bonds is a Major League Baseball player. However, he is not employed by any Major League Baseball team. I would suggest that being employed as a player by a MLB team is a requirement... to be considered an MLB player. There are other players who desire or have desired to be employed, and are or have been free agents, but are not on anyone's roster so are not MLB players. At the very least, his status should be reflected that he is not currently contracted to any particular team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.180.242 (talk) 12:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Are you saying that a free agent is not a Major League Baseball Player??? A guy's contract runs up, so for 3 months or so while he is waiting to be signed, he is not a player? That is abusrd. "a MLB player who is currently a free agent" is a fine description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.20.63 (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

I am sad to say that I have failed the article for a variety reasons.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Here are a few examples of poor prose: "...Bonds reached out and flipped a Chris Young (of the San Diego Padres) pitch just over the wall to the left of straightaway center field for career home run 735." Flipped? "On November 15, 2007, Bonds was indicted." Indicted for what? "Bonds finished with 19 homers and 58 RBIs, but he finished 2nd in NL with 14 outfield assists." Why but? These are not the only examples. An editor or two needs to run through the article and fix the prose problems.
    Examples above fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    B. MoS compliance:
    While the article is too long, the WP:LEAD is too short. In the 2006 season section, there are images at the same height, which crunches the text down.
    Jordan - 37.2 KB, 6493 words. Gretzky - 36.4 KB and 6332 words. Bonds which is deeemed too long 30.2 KB and 5350 words.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I have started beefing up the WP:LEAD. It will get better.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Images have been fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    There are a couple of unsourced statements in the 2007 season subsection, but overall the sourcing isn't too bad.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
    See above in 2a.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
    The 2006 season and 2007 season subsections are too large. They need to have unnecessary details removed such that only relevant information is left. For instance, in the 2007 season subsection, we don't need a game-by-game, homer-by-homer breakdown of Bonds' chase for the home run record.
    I will attempt to pare it down, but I think these were very important seasons in need of in-depth accounting.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    Watch out for stuff like this: "Upon his return, Bonds mostly continued his pre-injury dominance at the plate, hitting home runs in four consecutive games from September 18, 2005 to September 21, 2005 and finishing with five homers in only 14 games." That's poor prose, and the use of the word "dominance" is POV.
    fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    Other than petty vandalism, the article is stable.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    The first image in the article is not tagged and does not have a fair-use rationale.
    I swapped it out for a properly licensed image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    This is the third time in just over three months that this article has failed a GA review. I would like to suggest that this article be extensively improved before it is brought back to WP:GAC. Good luck with the improvements! Ice Cold Beer (talk) 05:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Third time in three months - yes. Same article - no. Look at each version to see how much work was done between each.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Season 1985 in venezuela

Turkish development. The agreement between the Pirates and the Magallanes Navigators allowed the participation of the prospectus buccaneer in the Venezuelan Professional Baseball League. With barely 21 years, Bonds came out for the first time U.S. to wear the shirt of one of the most popular clubs in the country.

"It was a kind and very quiet worker, for anything problematic," recalled Gregorio Machado, coach of MAgallenes (turks ship) at that time. "He came to work on the run in the foundation and its fildeo." "It was not very sociable. It was very quiet, "added the coach, who said that the young American" who was not going to be a phenomenon, but it had potential, because he was a player of great projection. "

Angel Escobar, the first bat of that club magallanero Bonds described as "a skinny body with athletic," which "had a level of maturity in his game." "He was a simple person, very focused on their things, not selfish, but very involved in what I had to do," said the former grandeliga Creole. "I shared a lot with him and saw that it was a person with a lot of confidence in itself."

Despite that nobody had a complaint from him, Bonds went home before the campaign leading 85-86, leaving average of .244 (160-39), with 32 scored, eight doubles, a triple, seven home runs, 23 Towed and seven swindled in 44 commitments.

"We surprised a lot to leave, because he was performing. I suppose to be the first choice for the Pirates in the draft had something to do, "said Escobar. "He had some discomfort in his shoulder and following the launch of it went," said Machado. "In addition, it was the first time I was away from home, I was very young, and already agreed to leave in December to be with his family at Christmas."

Its passage through Venezuela left him very good impression of Latino ballplayers, with whom he has taken well, even after being a superstar. "With me were ported from the best," said via telephone from the U.S., Wilson Alvarez, who shared with the gardener in San Francisco in 1997. "With Latinos, and in general with their peers is good, what happens is another impression because it creates a lot of pressure and has as many eyes on him, sometimes reflected, as it puts a shield, and cares." Alvarez, who describes the jonronero as "the best hitter in the Major Leagues," said that during the year of his retirement in 2005, requested an autographed suvenir. "I told him, 'Look, I would have signed something of yours,' and the same bat he used in the game I signed it and told me, 'takes, here it is'. He wrote: 'For Wilson, God bless you,' and I signed it, "recalled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.217.249.136 (talk) 17:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

misleading intro, looks biased

Bonds admittted to using steroids, only that he didn't know they were steroids at the time. The intro conflates two different issues: number one: his using steroids which is NOT alleged but factual, with 2. allegations he LIED under oath about such usage. The lies are alleged, but his steroid usage is not. Completely NPOV. Where is the untro mention of the actual steroid use which he has mentioned?66.190.29.150 (talk) 13:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entire intro has a massive pro-Bonds anti-truth bias. The man is a cheater, a liar, and a criminal. All of these are objective facts and should be mentioned. Wetman88 (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for sharing your opinion. however, this is wikipedia, not wikipinion. if you have some material from WP:RS to contribute, please do. but spouting your opinions here isn't helpful. for example, bonds has not been convicted of any crime, therefore by simple logic, he is not a criminal until such time as he is. your opinion that he is so is noted. but meaningless to this article. Anastrophe (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Major premise: Taking steroids is cheating (MLB rules) Minor Premise: Barry Bonds admits to taking steroids. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a cheater.
Major premise: Saying something that isn't true is lying. Minor Premise: Barry Bonds untruthfully said that he had not taken steroids. Conclusion:Barry Bonds is a liar.
Major premise: People are indicted by federal grand juries for committing crimes. Minor premise: Barry Bonds was indicted by a federal grand jury. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a criminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman88 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
highly recommend not pursuing a degree in law. an indictment does not make him a criminal.Anastrophe (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Bonds has never admitted to knowingly taking steroids. There is no proof, other than that he got a little bigger since his early 20's. I have also gotten bigger since my early 20's, does that mean that I have taken steroids? Innocent until proven guilty, kids. Undervenued (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources

Cheating:

  1. "Barry Bonds:Cheater" from CBS, yea I kinda think that is reliable. [1]
  2. "Dear Barry Bonds, You are either an outright cheater or very stupid" from the USA Today [2]
  3. "Yes, Barry Bonds is a cheater. He is a cheater of the worst sort" [3]

Lying:

  1. "It's clear, Barry Bonds' a liar" New York Daily News, another pretty freakin' reliable source. [4]
  2. "Barry Lamar Bonds is a bad man" Baseball Digest [5]
  3. "but Bonds is a liar, a cheater, a whiner and a bad influence on America's youth" Mark Barnes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman88 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
all of which are opinion pieces. not reliable sources for claims of fact. what's your hurry? if bonds ends up being convicted of lying, cheating, etc, then it can go in the article. until then, your opinions are noted, but not admissible to this WP:BLP.Anastrophe (talk) 18:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I've been reading this article and a lot about baseball (actually I have some questions about wins and runs that I'd like answered, but anyway) and I can't believe that the word cheat isn't mentioned in this article once. The man is involved in a trial and it has been asserted by numerous individuals who had no reason to lie that he has taken illegal steroids to gain an unfair advantage over his peers and gone to extreme lengths to cover it up and deny it. It seems that the article is attempting to whitewash the fact that he violated the rules and turn it into something were the steroids just slowed down his ageing and kept him good. He's been publcly labelled a cheat numerous times and there is considerable controversy about it, which this article goes to great lengths to minimise. 86.8.176.85 (talk) 05:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

anon user

trial postponed until summer yet article says it started yesterday.

Go ahead and make the change :) Kingturtle (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How is an anonymous user supposed to be able to make changes to a protected wiki page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.157.195.66 (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perjury section

The last paragraph of the "perjury investigation and federal indictment" section mentions (as of the current revision) that Bonds is expected to go to court on March 2, and that he is not expected to go to jail, because a pro cyclist in a similar case only received house arrest. What is the pro cyclist's name? Did the trial occur on March 2 as scheduled? If so, what happened? If not, when will it be now?

This section seriously needs to be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SergeantLuke (talk • contribs) 15:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Working on it. Named pro-cyclist. The article had already updated the current state of the trial. --DizFreak talk Contributions 08:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

  1. Home runs in a single season (73), 2001
  2. Home runs against different pitchers (449)
  3. Home runs since turning 40 years old (74) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.34.55 (talk) 04:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the truth

barry bonds was on roids and didn't earn any of is titles and trophies like good players and should have them all stiped from him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.100.165 (talk) 22:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add single-season OPS to Records Held

On-base plus slugging (OPS) (1.422), 2004

[OPS is a good measure of over-all hitting prowess. One might note that Bonds has 3 of the top 4 seasons and he and Babe Ruth each have 4 of the top 10; the other 2 belong to Ted Williams. Baseball-reference.com is a good source for this sort of info.] --Davidand (talk) 08:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barry_Bonds&oldid=338800680"