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Proposal for new formatting of Speculated candidates section
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This is actually a revisiting of an idea that was suggested several months earlier by editor Ai.kefu that was apparently overlooked at the time, but which still merits consideration, IMO. Under the proposed change, the list of Speculated candidates would look either like this:
or this:
Advantages
I would suggest we use the single column-per-candidate format presently used with those who actually become candidates, or at least file for exploratory commitees, and used the proposed formatting only for the "speculated" list. So, fellow editors, what say you?--JayJasper (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC) Comments
--JayJasper (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
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Map
The map within the infobox is showing how things would have worked out had the Ohio Plan been adopoted by the GOP - this isn't going to be the case. We should figure out some new map to put in its place before we get much closer to the actual voting. 141.217.197.227 (talk) 18:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be in the infobox, but rather on the side of the article.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
More speculated candidates
Herman Cain
i would recommend adding herman cain as a potential candidate. i have seen it mentioned in several places http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/91481-black-republican-radio-host-suggests-he-will-run-for-president —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.149.114.254 (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
He can be added if you have 2 reputable sources that are both less than 6 months old. --Diamond Dave (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I found a second source and added him to the article. However, there is no photo for him. There was none on the Herman Cain article. Can someone more "wiki-savvy" than I am please find and add a pic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.221.119.245 (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Chris Christie
- Kornacki, Steve (2010-04-22). "Chris Christie, GOP dark horse for 2012?". Salon.com. Salon Media Group.
Speculated in Salon.com, but seems premature at best, with no sources cited for a possible presidential run. Any other chatter about Christie (not to be confused with Charlie Crist) for president? / edg ☺ ☭ 17:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Jeb Bush
He clearly needs an update, I tried to do it myself but I embarrassingly can't format it in the table for some reason. Here are some sources though that can be used:
Thanks -Marcusmax(speak) 21:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Add Tom McClintock?
Just came across a couple site's that are saying that Representative Tom McClintock from California is being drafted for President. couple Links. They've been raising some money with their pac too.
http://www.drafttom.com http://redcounty.com/breaking-news-tom-mcclintockfor-president/40664 http://www.flashreport.org/blog0a.php?postID=2010060417245824&authID=2008012914170167 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevemacias (talk • contribs) 18:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Those appear to be blogs. If you can get articles from reputable sources by all means, please add him. --Diamond Dave (talk) 00:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
David Petraeus can't run
If you think about it, Petraeus can't run for president. Obama nominated him for a higher office, and if he succeeds both of them would take credit. In addition, Petraeus can't criticize the administration because he's not a civilian and that he's a part of the administration.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
It would probably be best to put him in the Formerly column.--Polly Ticker (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- 2012 is a long time away, and he can run since he is over 35, American born, and has been a resident for over 14 years. Whether or not he will run depends on what reliable sources say. In the past 6 months, reliable sources have speculated, therefore he must be included.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with William. While it seems unlikely Petraeus will run in '12 - in light of Jerzeykydd's reasoned arguments - he is not prohibited from doing so. There is always the possibility (though seemingly improbable) that he could resign from his present position and start a campaign. Let's let the 6-month/ 2-source rule run its course. He will likely drop from the "currently" section in late September, given his current listing status on the page and the developments Jerzeykydd referred to.--JayJasper (talk) 19:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- I think this go into the argument I have been making all along. This article cannot be about people believed to be running, it's about people being talked about running in reputable sources. If Petraeus being discussed in 2 reputable sources less than 6 months old, he should remain until sources talking about him running cease or when the primaries begin and he does not run. Also, just because Obama appointed him doesn't mean can't run. Hillary Clinton can't run then for that reason, however, she is being speculated as possibly considering it. I believe Jon Huntsman should be considered as potential as well, however, he speculation has ceased for more than 6 months. --Diamond Dave (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Michael Steele in 2012?
Politico is speculating that Steele, former Lt. Gov. of Maryland and current RNC chair (as of July 7, 2010), may be planning a run for the White House. Here's the reference: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39469.html 143.231.249.141 (talk) 13:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Two reliable sources are needed before anyone can be listed. If another credible source surfaces within the next six months, Steele can be added.--JayJasper (talk) 19:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Cantor/Pence
Six months is the time frame. So when would Eric Cantor and Mike Pence be put into the previously speculated column?--Jerzeykydd (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
If we're going by exact dates, it would the 12th of this month for Cantor and the 26th for Pence.--JayJasper (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Photo of Cain
For anyone interested, here is a free use photo of Cain. I would upload it myself, but the Flickr tool is not currently working.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Fred Karger
Honestly? I know it's sourced and everything, but Karger's not a serious candidate - not only has he never held office, but he doesn't even have any bit of a national profile, except among Washington insiders. He's not a media personality. He's not a billionaire Fortune 500 businessman. There's no reason to mention him. It'd be as if Nancy-Ann DeParle decided to mount a primary challenge to President Obama, and you decided to include her in a list of potential 2012 challengers. 217.35.89.71 (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- This article is not about serious candidate. This article is strictly about names that are being mentioned in conjunction to the 2012 primary. It is too soon to name candidates that will seriously run. That won't come until closer to the primaries. These are just names that are being mentioned. If Karger will not run, he will eventually be moved to the category of previously speculated candidates. --Diamond Dave (talk) 16:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- He has been cited in reliable sources as having formed an exploratory committee. So he meets the article's criteria.--JayJasper (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Jindal
Why is Bobby Jindal in the formerly speculated category? His sources weren't expired.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 18:02, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, they were. You need 2 sources that are less than 6 months old. The older of his 2 sources was dated February 16, which if you do the math, is over six months.--Rollins83 (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Sources
Can the editors just stick to using reputable sources, like major newspapers and ignore biased edits by Ron Paul supporters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.13.174 (talk) 18:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
- Of course. On the other hand, you too can be bold and remove any content you believe to be biased yourself. – Hysteria18 (Talk • Contributions) 21:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of Paul, I don't know if this is enough to update the "Prospective candidates" section: On October 29, 2010, the Globe Gazette published an article that states "Paul, 73, who ran as a Libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and finished fifth in the Iowa Republican caucuses in 2008, told The Globe Gazette he's considering a run in 2012." [4] Location (talk) 01:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Withdrawal of Gabriel A. Jimenez
I'm not sure enough of myself technically, to edit an article like this, but Gabriel A. Jimenez has withdrawn from the race.
http://jimenezforpresident2012.wordpress.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.253.51 (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
ABC News quote
There is a quote that appears next to multiple potential candidates that says "ABC News reported 'Democrats Ask Pentagon for Info on Potential Obama Challengers.... The nine Republicans that Democrats are seeking information on are former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska; former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass.; Gov. Haley Barbour, R-Miss.; Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn.; former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.; Sen. John Thune, R-S.D.; Gov. Mitch Daniels, R-Ind.; Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La.'"
Having this long list repeated in full for each of the nine people is kind of tiresome. Is there anything that can or should be done to edit it? Or should we just wait and see if this quote "ages out" because soon some or all of these people will have more recent articles identifying them as potential candidates, and this ABC News quote will be bypassed? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I support the "wait and let it age it out" option. At the rate these people are getting new citations about 2012 (almost daily, it seems like), that shouldn't take very long at all.--Rollins83 (talk) 20:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
More Candidates?
With the recent mid term election there was been rumors of several new Senators and Governors to run such as Senator-Elect Rob Portman and Governor-Elect John Kasich
- ^ (March 22, 2010) "Romney: Health care bill will cost Obama 2nd term", San Jose Mercury News. Retrieved March 23, 2010.
- ^ Schmuhl, Robert (March 30, 2010)"Mitt Romney, Looking to 2012 but Running From the Past", Politics Daily. Retrieved March 30, 2010.
- ^ Fund, John (March 20, 2010) "A Dark Horse for 2012?", Wall Street Journal. Retrieved March 22, 2010.
- ^ Cillizza, Chris (March 30, 2010) "Assessing John Thune's 2012 chances", Washington Post. Retrieved March 30, 2010.
- ^ Brown, Peter A. (February 24, 2010) "Is Sarah Palin the 2012 Version of Jesse Jackson in 1988?", Wall Street Journal. Retrieved February 24, 2010.
- ^ Halloran, Liz (March 29, 2010) "Palin: The Next Oprah, Or Next Oval Office Occupant?", NPR.org. Retrieved March 30, 2010.
- ^ (March 15, 2010) "MN court weighs Pawlenty action", MSNBC.com. Retrieved March 18, 2010.
- ^ Fone, Andrew (March 25, 2010)"Pawlenty: No Decision Yet on 2012", FoxNews.com. Retrieved March 30, 2010.
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