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Kunwaryogendrasinghlodhikheriyarafatpur

Dear Matthew Vanitas I don’t know what information you have about lodhi’s? Before you write or make comments on lodhi’s you must read 1. Riveda (3,53,23) 2. Manusmriti (VII-54) 3. Garag Sahimta 4. Shiv Puran 5. Jati Anuvesan And if don’t, than do not give your silly conclusion. Right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kunwaryogendrasinghlodhikheriyarafatpur (talk • contribs) 09:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kurmi

Hello MatthewVanitas Why you people are making kurmi shudra.. do you understand the old caste system of india? This is well known that kurmies are Kshatriya and you are making shudra, you are not decider of this issue.. please take a look to history properly and understand the matter. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.109.1 (talk) 08:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Queensland Young Greens

I have provided two sources for the article as this is all I can currently find.

Can you explain why my article is being deleted, yet others are being accepted such as:

Young LNP: References are all from the political party (LNP = Liberal National Party) ^ http://lnp.org.au/ ^ http://www.youngliberal.org/executive ^ http://www.youngnationals.org.au/

Australian Young Labor: Only one reference from the political website. Another reference about one specific issue at the end of the article ^ "Australian Young Labor". Retrieved 2007-08-15. ^ "Labor's Bloody Rituals Lead to a Dead End". Retrieved 2007-10-21.

Young Greens of Sweden: No References. Listed as a stub - is this different? In that case how do I list my article as a stub?

Here are three comparable articles, similar organisations, exactly the same content and referencing and yet my article is not being approved. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. If I don't agree, is there a way to contest your decision? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeyboy1989 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate, Thanks again for your assistance. I've replied to your message on my user talk page. Just wondering if you could give me a bit of final advice? Thanks Jakeyboy1989 (talk) 03:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

well that was a more pleasant discussion

now i dont know the current state but i had tred to move the article from user/josheastman/JO to JOshEastmanENT i did but then i believe it got deleted i tryed to repost the template so i can add the references but im not sure now because i have so many windows open and im not sure what is current now i give you permission to help me not vandilize something i spent hours putting together a proffessional article wiki is intended to have users hel enhance articles so do a f*ing search and see for yourself if you can contribute as opposed to deleting a legitamate article cmon now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josheastman (talk • contribs) 04:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look

Hello MatthewVanitas, like yourself I am a member of the WikiProject Afghanistan, I have created a few pages related to this project and may I say after a lot of research. One of these is the page Lund Khwar. I can safely say that I have read almost every thing there is to read on Lund Khwar. A user 86.27.185.156 keeps violating wiki rules and my warning. Wiki rules because he is adding irrelevant info about his father to the page and irrelevant because I know the information is useless and not related. I have warned him for the second time. Please give it a look and please advise me what to do next. How are pages semi protected and how are abusers reported to moderators. Thank you. Msrafiq (talk) 20:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Matthew!! your reply was quite helpful, I really appreciate it. Though I love to add referenced backed well researched material to Wiki, I am not quite skilled with the various operating techniques here like reporting vandalism. I will do exactly as you say, Thanx again!!. Msrafiq (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A swirl of bagpipers

The India Star
For the Indian bagpipe instrument articles. keep up your great work. AshLin (talk) 13:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

userspace warning templates

Hi- regarding this edit (and others like it), I'm not aware of a requirement that userspace drafts be templated up as if they were an article. In other words, there's no need for a notability template, as a draft isn't subject to the notability guidelines (yet). I do believe the noindex template can be mandated by an admin, but I can't find the documentation for that either. Are you aware of guidelines for userspace template use?

Also, have you considered archiving your talk page? tedder (talk) 15:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're definitely right that I'm long-overdue for archiving; I need to get around to finally using MizsaBot, so thanks for the poke.
I'm also not totally clear on the use of maintenance templates in Userspace, though I reckoned the engine doesn't auto-remove them. I wouldn't normally be as pushy about it, but the guy explicitly asked for feedback at RfF, has been non-responsive since receiving detailed feedback (and as I recall published before despite being a clear CSD case), so I figured it was good to keep clear about what he needs to publish. At the very least the "userspace draft" tag should stay up in case people googling him drift across it, to make it clear it's not an approved article yet. If I'm coming across as jerkish (I could see that), I can just keep it Watchlisted to make sure the "noindex" and "draft" tags stay up, and that it doesn't move to articlespace before he fixes the Notability issue. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd like, I'll set up the archiving, or you can just steal the code on my talk page and modify it slightly.
"googling" it is solved with either the userspace draft (USD) or noindex tag; the USD transcludes noindex, so both aren't required. I didn't know he asked at RfF; considering the lack of response I suppose the USD tag is appropriate. I'll keep it watchlisted for a while also; I came across it because he added a link from mainspace to userspace, which is absolutely forbidden. tedder (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, very brief RfF request; posting just your link and no comment is often a bad sign for communications. Also chaps me as a brusque "review for me" rather than "hey, I'm not sure I did footnoting right, can someone take a look at my article about a this rapper?" Also note the username is identical to the subject, so almost definitely a CoI/autobio. I think this case may fall under my favourite (unofficial) WP guideline: Wikipedia:No one cares about your garage band. But I'll be a good sport, post on his Talk to apologise if I came off as being a jerk, and explain to him both what the article needs, and the need to respond to communication on a community effort. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. And yes, I agree on both COI and the "crappy myspace band" rationale. Not communicating makes things difficult. tedder (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Mitev

This is about the page Ivan Mitev. The page is locked and added to dead pages. The problem is that instead of "heart tone", the page should be directing to: heart sound. The page is locked and I cannot edit this. Then the page will be no longer dead. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.125.51.66 (talk) 09:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kayastha Cleanup

Sure, how can I help? Rflejeune (talk) 01:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's about time someone took the article in hand and got it under control. I will do my best to watch for any vandalism, and try to dig up some citations as I find the time. Was not familiar with the reftool so thanks for letting me know about that. Take care. Rflejeune (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Matthew!

Hi Matthew,

Thank you for your feedback for the article User:Sportindo/SixReps that I wrote earlier. I have made a lot of changes and I would really appreciate it if you would like to take a quick look and drop a comment or two for me.

Sportindo (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Cleanup Barnstar
For your incredible clean up work on Indian caste related articles. —SpacemanSpiff 05:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You recently removed a dead link here. Per WP:DEADLINK, wouldn't it be better to either replace the link with a working one or to leave the link, but with a dead link tag, rather than removing the link itself as a reference and, thus, degrading the quality of the article? SilverserenC 06:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The place the link directs to appears to be a squatter site of unknown safety, and in any case, just judging by the URL, the older site may have been just a copyvio of the Grove book. I'd leave a deadlink if it were to a media outlet or such, but a link to a rather sketchy placeholder page that was probably a very non-reputable source (or a copyvio of an RS) in the past doesn't seem much of a loss. Agree/disagree? MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't what you did for all dead links. Thanks for the explanation. SilverserenC

06:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Purswani Family Tree

Dear Mr. Matthew Vanitas, Hi, I request you to please assit me in creating a new article "Purswani Family Tree". I am an old person and do not know the new technologies of operating tools. You have helped me earlier for "Kuhdabadi Sindhi swarankar", "Khudabad" and "Panchayati Hall". Thanking you in anticipation for your favour. gsp Gespee (talk) 14:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

May 5, 2011, Dear Mr. Matthew Vanitas, Hi, I have completed the above proposed article on my user:gespee/purswani. I request you to please move it article space. Many thanks for your assistance.201.225.88.74 (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

May 11, 2011. Greetings Mr. MatthewVanitas, I do not know how to post this draft "Request for Feedback". I request you to please do the needful on my behalf. Thanks a lot. gespee Gespee (talk) 23:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comp/tech help at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback

What RfF articles are open at computing? I have trouble navigating the Wikipedia:Requests for feedback to find anything interesting, as everything is in chronological order without classification. Diego Moya (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, in the larger sense of "computers"/tech, here are a few I recall not knowing what to do with:
MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to give them a look. Diego Moya (talk) 05:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a bit late, but I might have some time to work on this too, at least for now. Seems worthwhile. W Nowicki (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Next Step at Thom Dutch

Hi Matthew. I was wondering what the next step I could take is? Is there a problem with my sources? I recognize they are internet based, but they seem quite reliable (3rd party, neutral, relevant). I know you are busy, feel free to tell me to just be patient if you want.

Thanks in advance.

Canadiandy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiandy1 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is a sourcing issue; biographies generally require at least two separate suitable sources. The issue with your sources is they fit two of three of the requirements for a good source, but not the third. As is laid out in the classic WP:42 (an informal but straightforward summary of Wikipedia policy):
Articles require significant coverage

in reliable sources

that are independent of the subject.

Your sources are from forum discussions and the like, which are not WP:Reliable sources because they are user-generated. To put it this way, if an academic writes for Egyptology Monthly, both he, the editor(s), and the magazine are putting their reputations on the line, so that at least theoretically guarantees some accuracy. On a forum, if "Egyptguy123" says something totally off-base about the Necropolis that shatters his credibility, not a huge deal, he just ditches that account, leaves the forum or re-regs under a different name. RS's come in a variety of flavours, but generally published magazines and books tend to meet RS, except when getting into touchy subjects where the publisher and his political/religious/etc. motivations and credibility are issues.
In your case, I assume this Dutch guy has been written about at some point. America is far enough from being an "oral culture" that it's pretty hard to be long-term famous without some articles about you, especially in the pre-internet period where most information was shared in print. Is it impossible, or just some hassle, to find whatever back issues of Camping Monthly and find a profile of him or something? Perhaps you could ask someone on one of your forums to post some scans from whatever back-issues of camping magazines they have that cover Dutch? Or maybe some small-run hammock camping books which aren't on GoogleBooks, but reside in hobbyist's libraries? MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I've been doing some searching and the reality is I can't find magazine or book articles. While Dutch has been doing what he does for a while, he has been low on the radar until lately. If you follow hammock camping you will find it is a bit of a cult thing lately and Shug, Dutch, Jeff, and Grizzly, have quite a strong following. I don't doubt if I looked in a year I would find the sourcing you are referring to, but at present he is just too new in his arena of influence. In fact, "Tarp Flyz" have been around for less than a month but there were a record 18 000 views and 473 replies on the initial introduction thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30044&highlight=Tarp+Flyz)alone. I am fine with the reality that others will likely come along to edit and update the article (or it will remain merely a small obscure tidbit) and I would welcome their support. Do you recommend I drop this for now and wait for a greater volume of resource items, or should we be bold, put it out there, and then let the discussions and editing begin?--Canadiandy talk 05:53, 1 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiandy1 (talk • contribs) [reply]

Gabriel Wilensky page comments

I have fixed your link rot comments. Thanks very much.Nrglaw (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Matara Central College

A tag has been placed on Matara Central College, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to an article talk page, file description page, file talk page, MediaWiki page, MediaWiki talk page, category talk page, portal talk page, template talk page, help talk, user page, user talk or special page from the main/article space.

If you can fix the redirect to point to a mainspace page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you are fixing the redirect. If you think the redirect should be retained as is for some reason, contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the article's talk page directly to give your reasons. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. DASHBot (talk) 23:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

School help

Hi MatthewVanitas. The Wikipedia Schools Project has set up a dedicated help and feedback page at WP:WPSCH/H. This for elementary?primary, middle, and high schools (often called college in the UK). It is not for universities or other degree awarding institutions.
If you assist at a Wikipedia help desk or noticeboard, you might wish to send enquirers there - we are quick to resond. However, WT:WPSCH still remains the place for general discussion about the management and policy of school articles. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help require for the articles Aisha , Fatimah and Shia Islam in India

Help require for the articles Aisha , Fatimah and Shia Islam in India as the User:Faizhaider is trying to show this articles with only Shia perspective.

i can say this by refering his edits to the article Aisha he is trying to make it a negative influence article where as for Fatima and shia realated articles he is trying to make it a fairytale, i can say that he is using WP platform to reflect his own created views with his own refrences. not tolerating with reality and trying to make the article mess specially article Aisha, and on user page he is giveing wrong information and reverting the edits.

  • EXAMPLE for article Fatimah there is a section in Quran for which when i asked for the third party source he removed saying reference already provided( where as the reference is of some other source not from Hadith books or Quran) AND for the article Aisha when provided the reference from other source in Quran he deleted saying Third Party source is required"""

at last i want to say, he is misusing authority given to him by WP.

Kindly help as i saw your edits in all Controversial articles. Please Advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omer123hussain (talk • contribs) 08:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Matthew! It seems I have thrown myself in cross-fire once again. :) Do you have any suggestions for me regarding the situation? --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 05:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prompt responce and guiding advice, i want to enquire wether we can use this site ( http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/aisha.htm ) as reference for some information.plz advice, any way i had given some references for the article Aisha please check and advice if that is enough. --Omer123hussain (talk) 08:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for Feedback

I do not know many editors who are willing to help at RfF. It seems that even the welcome committee is not as active as it once was. It worries me to see that so many of the most active editors focus on the "sexy" boards like AfD. New editors are doing major edits that have to be reverted because few editors are giving them pointers. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Triple pipes

Stole it! Mwahahahahaha! SilverserenC 03:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thom Dutch Situation

I've been doing some searching and the reality is I can't find magazine or book articles. While Dutch has been doing what he does for a while, he has been low on the radar until lately. If you follow hammock camping you will find it is a bit of a cult thing lately and Shug, Dutch, Jeff, and Grizzly, have quite a strong following. I don't doubt if I looked in a year I would find the sourcing you are referring to, but at present he is just too new in his arena of influence. In fact, "Tarp Flyz" have been around for less than a month but there were a record 18 000 views and 473 replies on the initial introduction thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30044&highlight=Tarp+Flyz)alone. I am fine with the reality that others will likely come along to edit and update the article (or it will remain merely a small obscure tidbit) and I would welcome their support. Do you recommend I drop this for now and wait for a greater volume of resource items, or should we be bold, put it out there, and then let the discussions and editing begin?--Canadiandy talk 07:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Rahim Singh and Dera Sacha Sauda

Dear Mathew Vanitas, Would you be kind enough to tell me how I can e mail you. Thanks in anticipation, Best regards, (Bandagharka (talk) 10:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

Swami Nigamananda Cleanup

Dear MatthewVanitas, How are u? Little worry, as we had no communication since couple of weeks. The article Swami Nigamananda is ready and waiting for necessary cleanup. Your attention is required now. Please do the needful. Regards Dcmpuri (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear MatthewVanitas, Excellent job! A tons of thanks to you from my inner heart.

This is an interim reply. I will come back again to discuss further about Swami NIgamananda.

Once again thanks and appreciated for your step by step help to achieve this my goal.

Best Regards Dcmpuri (talk) 07:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Info at Indian Magicians

Thanks for moving it, but as it was copy and paste of a complete newspaper article I've deleted it entirely. Dougweller (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is anything from a .mil address public domain? I found a high quality picture at army.mil to help User:Patricedward, but I wanted to check with you how we should go about judging the copyright status of a picture. Also, should we let him try and learn, or should we be bold and do it ourselves? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that anything on a .mil that doesn't have a separate attribution like "courtesy of Reuters" is fair game; I've gotten scads of images of Afghanistan just by searching GoogleImages with "nuristan site:*mil" boolean, etc. Same goes for .gov in most (all?) cases where the image/text is "an original production of a US federal source". So far as the editor: I'd say give him a week, maybe poke him and say "reminder, photo would be easy and awesome", and if this person gets confirmed as Surgeon General and the editor isn't on the ball, then BEBOLD. But in the short-term I like to try to guide editors into doing it themselves. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty. I have helped push the article in the right direction, but for the photo (and maybe infobox), I'll try and give the creator a couple of nudges. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Gnanananada Giri Swami of Jyotir Mutt - Devi Mathaji

Hi Matthew,

Thanks for reviewing the page. The problem about Sri Gnanananda birthday is unknown. Even repeat request from him, he didn't mention to anyone. Some predicted he is about 250 years due to heavy tapas. 1) So please help me how to put this ? 2)Can I also have the Hindu subtopic at the side ? 3) Can I put this page for public and continue editing ?

Thanks and God bless you.

Best regards Mathaji —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devimathaji (talk • contribs) 13:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MiG-37 Ferret

I have reinstated the hoax template and added my reasoning to the talk page. Sorry for forgetting to add the info to the talk page. This is what set me searching on Google, btw: this Wikipedia article Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have been trying to edit the information about Ambazonia which have multiple issues; lies & distortions, but have not been able to do so. I had wanted to contact you but did not know how. I finally learned how to do so by reading "how to contact a specific editor.

Ambazonia

The correct information about Ambazonia can be found on Government of Ambazonia Official Website at: http://www.ambazonia.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207&Itemid=34

which is exactly the same information I have provided. I have studied the formatting and did that in my last edit but you sill undo my edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ambazonia&oldid=427767477

What am I doing wrong, and how do I correct this problem?

Tanyi Ojongmboh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dejongt (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, I've replied on your User Talk page, so let's continue the discussion there so we can keep it consolidated. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll move on, Thanks for your time.

I'll take your silence on my requests for direction as a subtle hint this article is doomed. Disappointing, but life goes on. Best wishes and credit for your efforts.--Canadiandy talk 07:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding EN_15838

Dear Matthew Vanitas,

Thank you for your feedback on my first page created.

I see you are looking for sources or footnotes, instead of external links. It seems like a solution to your request would be to change the last two external links to footnotes?

Best regards, Emba7 EilertE (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bingo. More importanly though, the article right now is more a definition, more a dictionary sort of thing. To be properly encyclopedic, we'd want to see some third-party coverage. Can you find online any books (on GoogleBooks) or news/journal articles discussing the significance of this standard? We're looking for societal/economic impact, something more than just quoting from policy documents. Do you track my angle here? MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will do the proposed changes to the article, and also try to find some online sources discussing the significance. Emba7 EilertE (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again Matthew. Ive updated the article as described. I have also found this webpage that might be a good source that shows the societal impact of the standard. Should this perhaps be included as a stand alone reference (if that is possible)? Emba7 EilertE (talk) 19:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since you're already quoting enough policy documents directly, and if the site you link is the "official" site for the standard, I'd put in under "External links" as "Official site" with the URl tucked into that term, as is WP standard. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Ive fine-tuned the article again based on your feedback. I hope the article is acceptable then, and that you can remove the "unclear sources" tag at the top. Thank you so much for very informative and good help! Emba7 EilertE (talk) 20:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To remove the "primary sources" tag, you need to add footnotes from groups unaffiliated with the EN's people. I don't know international trade that well, but I'd imagine you want something like

  • How EN 15838 Will Save the World. London Times, 14 January 2011
  • New Euro-regs Stifle Shipping. Shipping Gazette, vol 14. Spring 2011

What we're looking for is specific footnotes from unaffiliated people discussing the legislation. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correct the information on "kurmi" page

Hello Matthew please look at this link http://books.google.co.in/books?id=uEP-ceGYsnYC&pg=PA195 , It is clearly written that kurmi are kshtriya not shudra. please remove those words and correct the information, this book is "Peasants and monks in British India" By William R. Pinch. Also i want to say that wiki is for truthful information and you should give provide right information to world, you are part of wiki india project. In india caste system is very complicated so always be very careful. Right now wiki and you are getting lot of negative comments on kurmi groups and websites. Some body may also take legal action against wiki. So take this issue seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aditya gentle (talk • contribs) 06:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correct the information on "kurmi" page

Hello Matthew please look at this link http://books.google.co.in/books?id=uEP-ceGYsnYC&pg=PA195 , It is clearly written that kurmi are kshtriya not shudra. please remove those words and correct the information, this book is "Peasants and monks in British India" By William R. Pinch. Also i want to say that wiki is for truthful information and you should give provide right information to world, you are part of wiki india project. In india caste system is very complicated so always be very careful. Right now wiki and you are getting lot of negative comments on kurmi groups and websites. Some body may also take legal action against wiki. So take this issue seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aditya gentle (talk • contribs) 06:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Grave error regarding "KURMI KHASTRIYA" caste from India, being wrongly placed under "SHUDRA"

Hello Mr. Matthew Vanitas , i would like to point out a grave error regarding description of "KURMI KHASTRIYA" caste from India, being wrongly placed under "SHUDRA" on the relevant Wikipedia page , which is putting up a question mark on the authenticity and correctness of data available on Wikipedia.

It is well known fact that Kurmis are Kshatriya, if Kurmis are not khsatriyas & they ae Shudras, then why isnt Kurmi as a caste is placed under the group Sheduled Caste(under which all Shudras are placed)by the Govt. of India with accompanying reservation facility to them.

Hence kindly review the matter at your end and purge this grave error at the earliest, so that a good site like Wikipedia doesnt loose its authenticity in the eyes of billions of KURMI KHASTRIYAS, whose sensibilities are being hurt by this grave error

Thanking you

Prasoon Sachan A Well wisher of Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawksachan (talk • contribs) 07:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Faculty of Sport and Tourism

Thank you very much for you help, I did my best to correct the omissions and the article looks much better now! I do have a question, as well. Would it not be better suited to leave "TIMS" in the title name, as it is the integral name of the Faculty? "Faculty of Sport and Tourism" looks somewhat generic to me. I am still struggling with where to post what, being new to all this. I hope this is the place. Anyway, thanks for your support, once again. Mladen.tomic (talk) 15:15, 12 May 2011

Speedy deletion nomination of J D Currie

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Robert Byrne, author

Hi Mathhew, I'm making some progress on your feedback. Thanks very much for that. When I'm done adding my citations, how do I resubmit to get the "citations needed" tags at the top removed? Russellbyrne (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Walt Disney's Riverfront Square

Hi Matthew, I just wanted to say thanks for giving User:AtionSong those pointers. S/he seems to have done a great job with the article, and I have listed Walt Disney's Riverfront Square at DYK. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Films about Iran

Category:Films about Iran, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

question

is an interview with the subject an acceptable source in a Wikipedia entry? Thank you22:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyesofbabylon (talk • contribs)

Not unless it has been published in a reliable source. For instance, if you interviewed someone and you wanted to use that interview in a Wikipedia article *and* the interview has not been published?..you cannot use it as a source for a Wikipedia article (because using an unpublished interview would constitute original research and original research for a source isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Shearonink (talk) 04:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Olev Roomet

RE: [1]My impression from other articles is that he was basically directed to by some folk organisation in the USSR to keep the tradition alive.

FYI. during the Soviet occupation of Estonia music, especially folk music and especially keep the traditions alive were a part of civil resistance to Russification policies of the USSR. You know, they call it Singing revolution that brought the Soviet occupation to the end. Cheers!--Termer (talk) 05:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Pics of the Maakers. That's funny, I actually finished saving this pic and right after I got your message. I'll take care of it, at the moment I'm about to start an article about Juhan Maaker as he seems to be the most prominent Estonian bagpipe player in history. Even found his music on Amazon.--Termer (talk) 04:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Deaf Women United

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Speedy deletion nomination of Hyomin (Park Sun Young)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Esquire Dubstep

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Windsor Review

A very big thank-you to you, MatthewVanitas, for feedback in creation of the Windsor Review page (May 13)-- and then, in sorting out the 'kerfuffle' of the MovePage problem. I am greatly obliged. I'll try not to panic doing MovePage for article number 2! Vjhamilton (talk) 03:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Riserless Well Intervention

Thank you for your support MatthewVanitas.

One more question, should I for example explain what a well is in my article or should I link to a Wikipedia article? (Was “afraid” of writing about subjects that were covered elsewhere)

MatthewCanitas, I have updated the article, and I was hoping you could take another look and give me feedback.
Thanks in advance Heijacob (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MatthewCanitas, I have posted the article, I appreciate your feedback and support. Heijacob (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for posting?

Hello Matthew,

We had the following exchange a month ago. I have now corrected and re-submitted the article for publication. May I ask you to have a look and help me get it published? Not sure how "post back here" as you ask, so please forgive me if I'm not quite following protocol.

Thanks and regards,

-Kevin kevin@billinghurst.com

User:KevinBillinghurst/Jeppe_Wikström

First posting. Grateful for any feedback, plus instructions on moving from User draft to live page. Thanks

KevinBillinghurst (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Couple things you need to fix first: your footnotes are all WP:Bare URLs, you want them spelled out as full citations. Take a look at any well-established WP article to see how that's coded. You also need to add WP:Categories. Once those are taken care of, post back here and I'll move it for you. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinBillinghurst (talk • contribs)

Touchphonics page follow up

Hello Matthew,

Thanks for the advice on fixing some problems with this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchphonics. I edited the things you suggested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_feedback/2011_May_15#Touchphonics. How am I looking now? I really appreciate your time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esptoyou (talk • contribs) 08:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and Shudra issues

I can work on the Maratha infobox you were talking about at WT:IN. I will however have to develop it in a subpage at my user page. You can then pick it up from there and move it to template/article space. I cannot do this due to my ban. Just let me know the details of what you would like to have in the infobox. Zuggernaut (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Also, I'm not too sure about this but adding Shudra to castes (even if it is factually correct) may be akin to using a politically incorrect term for African-Americans or any minorities anywhere. Maybe that explains why you keep on seeing removals of that term from caste articles. This is of course anecdotal information and I have no sources for it. Zuggernaut (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the infobox, probably the best way is to look at any of the articles under Category:Maratha clan system, hit "Edit" and see the "clan details" portions I've hidden. Probably the best bet would be to include rows for each of the terms used, but make them all "optional" so that they don't display unless they have actual data entered. Let me know if you have any trouble figuring out which ones would work well.
Regarding Shudra, I don't think it's so much a parallel for any racial insults. They're not denying that there is a Shudra varna, or that such is the proper name for it, they're just insisting, for socio-political reasons, that they come from a "superior" varna. A closer parallel, for example, might be noting that a given ethnic clan is Greece is largely genetically Turkish, albeit now Orthodox and Greek-speaking. Said clan would be extremely upset about such, because their popular belief insists that they're "pure Greeks" who battled off all the Turks and "defended their honour." Same thing with these Shudra folks: in the vast majority of these cases, these are clans who were from a "blue collar" background, and later as more of them made money, especially after the shakeups of the British invasions, they tried re-writing their histories to claim that they never came from a labouring background. The pushback I'm seeing isn't because "Shudra" is a dirty word (at least not in the literal sense), but because I'm confronting them with the fact that their legendary history (usually cited to "ourcasteisawesome.com" or similar) is completely contradicted by about every historian out there. I'm totally fine to include their legendary histories (provided they can be cited to an academic who recorded these beliefs), but it's horrible pseudo-history to let people re-write articles on their own ethnic groups to be as self-serving as possible. Makes sense?
Thanks for the offer of help on the infobox; I have to dash now, but if you aren't quite sure which items to include, I can help you make a list. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nair

You say that you'll fix the Penny Cyclopedia reference "if you may". You do not need my permission. I have deliberately not responded to the earlier comment that everyone should desist from editing the article except me - it is ludicrous, puts all the pressure on me and is contrary to the ethos. - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

See this: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_for_intervention_in_the_Nair_article Chandrakantha.Mannadiar (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note to let you know that CM above has emailed me to apologise, saying that emotions got the better of him & that he would have struck his message on the Nair TP if he hadn't already committed himself to leaving. I am happy to accept this, although obviously it is not my place to strike the message for him (he can always come back and do that himself).
I shall write him a reply to this effect. I think that when someone shows what appears to be genuine humility and remorse then it should be accepted with good grace. I have no idea if he has sent a similar email to you, nor am I trying to persuade you one way or the other regarding how you might choose to react if he has. - Sitush (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't gotten any email from him, but if he writes me I'll write back. I don't bear him any ill-will; this is a common-enough issue that he's not unique in being sensitive to caste issues and maybe taking it more personally than WP culture would encourage. I hope that I've been even-handed enough in replying to him, just trying to stay on-message about the importance of presenting history "warts and all" rather than mince about the touchier areas. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Paravar

I see that you have just put another toe into the muddy waters that are the S Indian caste system! The wikilink fixes were excellent catches, by the way. An appropriate choice of wording for what was basically a fishing group. Much of the argument centred on Sangam literature, claims to be (you've guessed it) kshatriya and claims to be in other ways dominant.

Out of curiosity, and assuming that you actually read through the entire shebang, how did it look to you? I am at the point where I cannot see the wood for the trees and, as is common with articles where I contribute the majority of the content, it is voluminous.

I am wondering if it might at some point have potential to be a GA nomination. The cite requests which are in there are actually my own, being to highlight the (few) areas left where as a compromise I merely rephrased etc rather than actually removed content. I would be quite happy to remove those bits in, say, 3 or 4 months' time - by then they would have been there long enough for anyone to expect a resolution. There are some things that I would change, but not a lot.

No pressure! If you feel that it is outside your scope or would otherwise rather not comment then that is fine. - Sitush (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I actually just perused it, but since I expanded and categorised the article Turtling (hunting) I felt obliged to link-in. I'm a little bit swamped right now with both real-life things and covering Maratha issues, but if you ping me in, say, mid-late June I'd be happy to help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On Rajputs, Origins, Ahirs etc. [Section: Major cleanup underway at Yadav (merge with Ahir?)]

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Shivaji

Could you give me by email some of the sources for this claim that Shivaji/Marathas belonged to the Shudra community and later found social upliftment? This issue is a live one in Pune and violence over interpretation of aspects of Shivaji's past has happened before, in the case of the ransacking of Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute and ~tension has taken place over the issue of movement of statue of Dadoji Kondev from Lal Mahal, besides other incidents. AshLin (talk) 06:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]

I wonder if you saw this message. AshLin (talk) 07:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My recent post at WT:IN was not aimed at you or your recent work. It was a general note and it may or may not apply to other editors who may or may not have a tarnished editing history when it comes to India, Hinduism and caste topics. Zuggernaut (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shudra or not ? I see a number of posts regarding this issue. The simple answer is brahmins over the centuries have tended to regard any non-brahmin caste as Shudra. However, if anyone from a particular caste rose in social hierachy , then obviously there were brahmins available who could bestow the higher status of Kshatriya on them ( I am sure a hefty fee or dakshina was charged for this "favor"!). Ghurye has written extensively on the fluidity of the caste system and is regarded as an authority on the subject. The colonial era census of 1901 or the one before that counted every caste and subcaste. Castes were also , I believe, at that time asked to self-describe themselves. This resulted in a scramble by artisan castes to obtain Sanskrit names their group. For example, the Gujarati mochi caste call themselves Gujarat arya samaj. The carpenters are Vishwakarma etc. Castes also tend to associate themselves with the rajputs or kshatriyas. For example, Gujarati barber caste have a story that when Parshuram went on a killing spree to annihilate the Kshtriyas, some of the Kshtriyas told him the the blade they had in their hand was for shaving and that's the origin of the caste.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

intersting theory; will be excellent in Kshatriya article, with adequate references. --CarTick (talk) 01:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Attingal

I think it may be the Attingal massacre of 1721 but haven't changed it yet. - Sitush (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ahirs

you are deleting right information from article and supporting wrong.this is against the spirit of wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ancient indian historian (talk • contribs) 16:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nair

Understand what you are doing - trying to maintain the peace etc - but it is repetition and undue weight. The ultimate aim is to rewrite the lead but that cannot be done until there is a decent article body on which to base it. The entire caste cruft needs to go from the lead, if only because it is a warrior magnet. Let it be considered in the body, with a lead that says something very bland. I'm just not sure how to explain it blandly! - Sitush (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thaheem

Thaheem is spelt Tahim, and is at page 452 Volume III

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have also looked at the Multan Gazetteer the 1929 issue and the Jhang Gazetteer. Both refer to the community as Tahim. I think the Sindhis pronounce it as Thaheem, and the Seraiki as Taheem. Although if you do searches in Dawn for example, the tribe are always referred to as Thaheem.

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Don't test our patience

You had recently added in the etymology section that the meaning of the word Nayar is Dog (Naaya in Tamil). Works by SN Sadasivan are full of anti-Nair propaganda and even you will acknowledge this. If you are going to repeat this blatant caste hatred, I am going to ANI. So far we have remained more or less silent, even though you had added a lot of biased stuff. But this is going too far. If you repeat anything like this, then we are not going to remain silent. Shannon1488 (talk) 10:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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